List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage

True, though that might noe be the case here no?



Oh how so?
Well, if Charles VIII still dies on schedule, Margaret will be only 17. OTL she was pregnant at that age but her kid was stillborn, if that's the case here too then she can go on to marry Philibert of Savoy and possibly become Regent of the Habsburg Netherlands.
 
Well, if Charles VIII still dies on schedule, Margaret will be only 17. OTL she was pregnant at that age but her kid was stillborn, if that's the case here too then she can go on to marry Philibert of Savoy and possibly become Regent of the Habsburg Netherlands.
Hmm this is true, and of course one might question why that would change just because Edward and Elizabeth marry one another.
 
Emperor of Romania

POD: What if Enrico accepted the offer to become Emperor by the crusaders?


Henricus I Dandulus (1204-1205) [1]

Ranierius I Dandulus (1205-1208) [2]

Fantinus I Dandulus (1208-1230) [3]

Gilbert I Dandulus (1230 - 1270) [4]

Ioannes I Dandulus (1270-1291) [5]

Andrea I Dandulus (1291-1298) [6]

Ioannes II Dandulus (1298-1302) [7]

Marcus I Dandulus (1302-1318) [8]

[1] The Venetian Doge Enrico Dandolo was offered the title of Emperor by the Crusaders IOTL; here he accepts but his reign is short-reigned. I think the election of the Doge and his Venetian family would maybe negate the necessity of the Podesta. Crete is ceded to Venice and elsewhere remains nominally under Latin rule.

[2] Raniero was Enrico's eldest son and consigliere ducale, also known by Vice-Doge. He becomes Enrico's successor in Constantinople. His status as an admiral and statesmen would indicate that the Latin Empire would focus on centralizing its power over its feudal vassals and extending its reach to Asia Minor.

[3] Fantino was the younger brother to Raniero and the OTL Latin bishop in Constantinople. Here he holds title as bishop and Emperor, though the latter is to provide a placeholder for his nephew Gilberto. His status as bishop would indicate a greater focus on ecclesiastical affairs. A first attempt at bringing the Orthodox populations into the Catholic fold(?) Diplomacy re: Bulgaria mixed with attempts to convert the state into Catholicism. Mired with additional issues with vassals in Thessalonica, etc.

[4] Gilberto was Raniero's son. Assuming that his uncle and predecessor raises him right, he would be suited or not to the issues hoisted on him. Make or break. The Latin Empire collapses on schedule or is lucky enough to conquer the Empire of Nicaea and Epirus. Bulgaria could be placated by marrying Gilberto's sister Anna to the Tsar; she was married IOTL to the Serbian king Stefan I so precedent is there.

[5] Ioannes, or rather Giovanni, was OTL Doge of Venice. Given the POD and the time that passed since then, TTL's version of Giovanni grows up in Constantinople and sees himself more Roman than Venetian. The tail begins to wag the dog. Ioannes would opportunistically use revolts by Latin feudatories and Greeks in Crete and elsewhere in the Aegean to bring these lands back into Latin/Roman hands. Problems arise again with Bulgaria in Ioannes' twilight years.

[6] The divorce of the Latin Empire from its Venetian parent means that Constantinople lacks Catholic support internally and externally when it comes to dealing with the Bulgarians or the advancement of the Turkic tribes in Anatolia. Andrea's reign is short-lived and ends with a battle with the Bulgarians.

[7] Giovanni or rather Ioannes II inherits all the problems of his elder brother and father and yet offers no solutions besides attempting to rebuild ties with Venice. He successfully stops a Bulgarian invasion and presumed takeover by bringing the Tsar with treasures stolen from Constantinople's Orthodox churches. He is killed in a riot and replaced by his younger brother Marco.

[8] Marcus' short reign is focused on diplomatic overtures between Constantinople and its neighbors. Treaties between Marcus and neighboring kings show some success in the diplomatic front; some territories were returned to imperial administration such as Epirus and Cyprus. The wars against Venice, Bulgaria, Crusaders, Greeks, among others have long since decimated the Catholic aristocracy and the Greek Orthodox population is unwilling to send its sons to war under the Emperor's banner. Marcus intensifies the Latin Empire's reliance on Turkic mercenaries, promising half of the Empire's land to be handed over to Turkic warriors in exchange for military service. It would be his undoing. Marcus Dandulus was overthrown by his son-in-law Michael Osmanes, Grand Domestic of the Empire. Thus ends the reign of the Dandolo dynasty and the rule of the Ottoman emperors.
 
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Well, if Charles VIII still dies on schedule, Margaret will be only 17. OTL she was pregnant at that age but her kid was stillborn, if that's the case here too then she can go on to marry Philibert of Savoy and possibly become Regent of the Habsburg Netherlands.
Actually, Margarethe is likely to end up remarried to Louis XII (should he still be shackled to Jeanne de Valois and Anne of Brittany is unavailable). She's an emperor's daughter, known to the court and, if she brought Artois and Franche Comté with her as a dowry, having no kids means that AIUI her dad has a right to demand those be returned to imperial control.
 
Based on this thread. The general premise is that after everything with Tom Seymour, Edward VI decides its easiest to marry Elizabeth off to Robert Dudley (Amy can get Gilford ITTL). When Ed realizes he's dying he names his young Dudley nephew as heir and little Edward VII gets to keep his throne, unlike Jane Grey.

Robert Dudley (1532 - 1588) m. Elizabeth Tudor (1533 - 1603)
  1. Edward VII (1551 - 1609) m. Marguerite of Valois (1553 - 1615)
  2. stillborn girl (1552)
  3. Anne (1556 - 1568)
  4. Robert, Duke of York (1557 - 1575)
  5. Henry IX [originally Duke of Clarence](1561 - 1628) m. Elizabeth of Denmark (1573 - 1625)
    1. Stillborn Daughter (1591)
    2. Edward VIII (1592 - 1640)
    3. Henry, Duke of York (1595 - 1624)
    4. Sophia (1598 - 1599)
    5. Elizabeth (1600 - 1624)
    6. Stillborn twin girls (1602)
  6. Jane (1564 - 1612) m. James VI and I of Scotland (1566 - 1625)
    1. Elizabeth (1587 - 1624)
    2. Stillborn daughter (1589)
    3. Margaret (1590 - 1630)
    4. Henry Robert (1593 - 1599)
    5. Charles (1595 - 1640)
    6. Robert (1597 - 1601)
 
Theobald II of Navarre has issue.

Theobald II (1238-1270) King of Navarre m. 1255 Isabella of France (1241-1271)

1) Theobald III (1258-1313) King of Navarre 1270-1313 m. a) 1273 Constance of Castile (1258-1280) b) 1286 Yolande of Aragon (1273-1302) c) 1304 Joanna of Artois (1289-1350)

1a) Isabella (1276-1328) m. Philip IV (1271-1314) King of France​

1) Margaret (1292-1354) m. Edward II (1284-1327) King of England​

2) Louis X (1296-1321) King of France 1314-1321 m. Clementia of Hungary (1293-1328)​
3) Philip V (1298-1337) King of France 1321-1337 m. Blanche of Burgundy (1296-1326)​

4) Charles (1299-1305)​

5) Blanche (1301-1364) m. Alfonso IV (1299-1337) King of Aragon​

6) Isabella (1302-1314)​

7) Robert (1304-1325)​

2a) Theobald (1278-1296)​

3b) Louis (1292-1300)​

4c) Theobald IV (1307-1362) King of Navarre 1313-1362 m. Eleanor of Castile (1307-1359)​

1) Theobald V (1328-1379) King of Navarre 1362-1379​
2) Isabella (1331-1336)​
3) Joanna (1333-1387)​

5c) Blanche (1309-1318)
 
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