First of all, sucks to be Mary in the scenario.
Secondly, how did Edward VII and Elizabeth of Austria manage kids after he was dead?
List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage
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Secondly, how did Edward VII and Elizabeth of Austria manage kids after he was dead?
First of all, why in the name of God would Mary do that, she did not like him and IOTL wanted Elizabeth away from this man, and she wasn't even on that good terms with Elizabeth. Second of all, Edward VI would probably not condone that either, given the whole...incestuous vibes...that he'd be getting, and Thomas offers NO advantage (plus uncle and nephew did not get along so well)
Edward I m. Margaret of France(a)
1a. Thomas of Brotherton, Duke of Aquitaine b. 1300 m. Joan of Evreux
2a. Edmund, Earl of Kent b. 1301
3a. Eleanor b. 1306
Edward II m. Isabella of France(a)
1a. Edward III b. 1312
2a. John, Earl of Norfolk b. 1316
3a. Eleanor b. 1318
4a. Joan b. 1321
The marriage contract of Margaret of France has Edward I have their kids inherit Aquitaine and Gascony.
1a. Thomas of Brotherton, Duke of Aquitaine b. 1300 m. Joan of Evreux
2a. Edmund, Earl of Kent b. 1301
3a. Eleanor b. 1306
Edward II m. Isabella of France(a)
1a. Edward III b. 1312
2a. John, Earl of Norfolk b. 1316
3a. Eleanor b. 1318
4a. Joan b. 1321
The marriage contract of Margaret of France has Edward I have their kids inherit Aquitaine and Gascony.
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In a world where Charles disassociates himself from Barbara villiers fairly early, and decides ro only habe affairs when his wife is pregnant and not keep a constant mistress. Thus improving his sexual health and lessening the strain in his wife.
Charles II of England, Scotland and Ireland (b,1630) m Catherine of Braganza (b.1638) in 1662
Issue
Charles, Prince of Wales (b.1663)
James, Duke of Gloucester (b.1664)
Miscarriage (1666)
Mary, Princess Royal (b.1668)
Princess Catherine (b.1669)
Miscarriage (1671)
Henry, Duke of Clarence (b.1673)
Prince William (b.1675)
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Charles II of England, Scotland and Ireland (b,1630) m Catherine of Braganza (b.1638) in 1662
Issue
Charles, Prince of Wales (b.1663)
James, Duke of Gloucester (b.1664)
Miscarriage (1666)
Mary, Princess Royal (b.1668)
Princess Catherine (b.1669)
Miscarriage (1671)
Henry, Duke of Clarence (b.1673)
Prince William (b.1675)
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Pity Bedford isn't still available/he stayed a parliamentarian in the ECW instead of Clarence. Still, Henry could be created duke of Northumberland (like Charles' bastard) or Richmond (after the drowning of Mrs Britannia's husband)
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Ooh that’s very true, Northumberland abd a marriage to Liz Percy could be cool no? Orif not Richmond wohld definirelt be interesting
I know. But I wanted to get away from *singing* Christian one, John, Christian two, got deposed then who? Frederick first, Christian third, Frederick two, he was a nerd*. Not. Christian four, absolute dude, and then we get to Frederick three...**I think son nr. 2 will be a Christian just like otl, but Carl could work for a 3rd son
*couldn't think of a rhyme for third besides turd
**still think the Danish alternating is better than, as Flanders and Swann say "there were the wars against all those Louis" or the Dutch with Willem that even Queen Wilhelmina wanted to a name her son "Lodewijk" instead. She wanted this for Queen Juliana's son that never came as well, according to her biography. I'm all for continuity but have some originality.
Afonso of Portugal m. Isabella of Aragon
1. John III of Portugal b. 1491 m. Margaret of Angouleme b. 1492
2. Isabella of Portugal b. 1491 m. Henry VIII m. 1491
1. John III of Portugal b. 1491 m. Margaret of Angouleme b. 1492
2. Isabella of Portugal b. 1491 m. Henry VIII m. 1491
You could say Christian three instead of Christian third and open up a whole new realm of rhymes
So back in April there was this thread about if all the children of Henry VIII survived infancy. It bounced around in my head since then and eventually this happened.
Henry VIII Tudor, King of England, b. 1491, d. 1556 m. a) Catalina Trastamara/Catherine of Aragon, b. 1485, d. 1530; b) Anne Boleyn, b. 1501*; r. c) Bessie Blount, b. 1498; d) Jane Seymour, b. 1508; e) Kitty Howard, b. 1521
Henry VIII Tudor, King of England, b. 1491, d. 1556 m. a) Catalina Trastamara/Catherine of Aragon, b. 1485, d. 1530; b) Anne Boleyn, b. 1501*; r. c) Bessie Blount, b. 1498; d) Jane Seymour, b. 1508; e) Kitty Howard, b. 1521
Henry and Catherine had a happy is slightly fractious marriage. (The fractious was mostly on Henry’s side) Catherine would pass away from a winter illness in 1530, and while Henry’s councilors searched for a second wife, Henry found one himself.
He courted and wed Anne Boleyn. Shortly after her second pregnancy, Henry grew tired of strong educated women, and found a quiet agreeable mistress: Jane Seymour. Henry and Jane would have three sons. With each son, Jane’s influence grew at court.
Anne and Henry’s relationship continued to deteriorate, until Henry met one of Anne’s cousins and ladies. Quickly he became infatuated with Katherine Howard. Henry would grow apart from Jane as more and more of his attention was focused on the bright vivacious Katherine Howard.
As Katherine was uninterested in politics, Henry once again began considering Anne’s advice, and the relationship recovered. Though it would not return to the passionate romance of their early years.
*I went with the 1501 date to explain why Anne didn’t have kids after 1536
1a) Elizabeth Tudor, Princess of England, b. 1510, d. 1517
A happy child, her death greatly shook both her parents.
2a) Henry IX Tudor, King of England, b. 1511 m. a) Maria Avis/Mary of Portugal, b. 1513, d. 1542*; b) Anna Habsburg/Anne of Austria, b. 1528; r. c) Caitilín Ní Néil/Kate O’Niel, b. 1515**
1a) Edward VI Tudor, King of England, b. 1530
2c) Enri Mac Enri/ Henry FitzHenry, b. 1535
3a) Elizabeth Tudor, Princess of England,b. 1540
4c) Ailis Nic Enri/Alice FitzHenry, b. 1542
5c) Gearóld Mac Enri/Gerald FitzHenry, b. 1544
6c) Tomas Mac Enri/Thomas FitzHenry, b. 1546
7b) Mary Tudor, Princess of England,b. 1546
8c) Caitrin Nic Enri/Catherine FitzHenry, b. 1557
9b) Anne Tudor, Princess of England, b. 1552
10c) Anna Nic Enri/Anne FitzHenry, b. 1553
11c) Eamonn Mac Ri/Edmund FitzRoy, b. 1557
12b) Henry Tudor, Duke of York, b. 1560
Henry, or Hal as family and close friends call him, was tall red-haired and rambunctious. He was betrothed to his cousin Maria of Portugal from a young age and the two wed in 1528. Their relationship started stilted if respectful, but the outdoorsy and flirty prince had little in common with his religious wife. So, after the birth of their son Edward, Hal asked his father for permission to go fight in Ireland. (There was always fighting in Ireland)
While in Ireland, Hal would meet the Irish princess Kate O’Niel. Bright, vivacious, and an avid falconer, Kate was Hal’s ideal woman. The two quickly fell in love and began a relationship that would last for the rest of their lives.
After the birth of their eldest child, Henry, Hal was called back to England. With his father pushing him, Hal would try and repair his relationship with Maria resulting in their daughter Elizabeth. But at Elizabeth’s christening, Hal sweetalked his father and received permission to send for Kate on the condition that she not reside at court.
Maria never really recovered from Elizabeth’s birth and died two years later. Many expected Hal to try and marry Kate as soon as Maria was in the grave, but Hal never asked or made any indication that he would marry Kate, and cooperated with his father’s plans for him to remarry Anna of Austria.
For the next five years or so, and Anna reached marriage age, Hal and Kate behaved as a married couple while at Hal’s estates in Wales. (Kate was still not allowed at court). And in 1545, Hal and Anna were married. From the beginning of their marriage, Anne (as she requested to be called) treated Hal’s relationship with exasperated pragmatism. Hal responded positively and the two had a good if reserved working relationship.
In fact Anne had a tendency to send Hal back to Kate when she fell pregnant, saying she (Anne) didn’t want Hal underfoot during pregnancy and childbirth. As such, Kate had two children 6 or so months younger than Anne’s daughters.
Anne and Kate met for the first time in 1556, when Hal brought Kate to court, now that his father wasn’t there to enforce the ban. This caused some initial tension, but when Kate proved disinterested in court politics, Anne decided to let it alone. Anne grew to view Kate as something like a rambunctious puppy, (easy to handle if you had something to distract her with) and ended up taking several of Kate and Henry’s daughters as her ladies. Additionally, Anne would end up arranging the marriage of Edmund FitzRoy, her husband’s youngest bastard, to her brother’s bastard, Maximilianna. Edmund and Maximilianna would have a long career as diplomats.
Hal was a favorite of the English people, and adding in that he was more fiscally responsible than his father—quicker to forgive too—his kingship was relatively smooth. And in 1560, Anne finally had a son securing the succession. The new Duke of York was welcomed by all his many siblings.
*OTL stilborn daughter of Manuel I and Maria of Aragon
*Daughter of Conn O’Neill, King then Earl of Tyrone and Alice Fitzgerald
3a) Edward Tudor, Duke of York, b. 1513, d. 1534 m. Anna La Marck/Anne of Cleves, b. 1515
Even more rambunctious than his older brother, Edward was a candle that burn too bright and so burned out. Shortly after his marriage to Anne of Cleves, he fell from his horse while hunting and broke his neck. Anne of Cleves would remain in England as the Dowager Duchess of York for the rest of her life, and several of Hal’s Irish bastards were placed in her care.
4a) John Tudor, Duke of Bedford, b. 1514 m. Anne Bourchier, 7th Baroness Bourchier, 1517
1) Henry Tudor of Bedford, Duke of Bedford, b. 1539
2) William Tudor of Bedford, b. 1543
3) Cecily Tudor of Bedford, b. 1549
Perhaps as a response to his elder two brothers, John was quiet and preferred to be indoors. Also, faithful to his wife. Unfortunately, John was more in love with the idea of his wife, than his actual wife. Anne found her husband intense and scholarly. John, when he thought about it, was disappointed his wife’s education. But, he wasn’t often forced to think about it, as Anne preferred to live at their estates, and John was required at court.
So, John kept busy writing poems that were nominally about his wife, but really just to his idealized notion of a woman. (Some people like to hypothesis that they were actually about his stepmother Anne Boleyn, but this is a modern theory. No historical records indicate the two were particularly close).
But, Anne did enjoy being fawned over in small doses, and John was quite happy to obviously miss whenever Anne didn’t quite match up to his fantasy woman, so their marriage was quite happy by Tudor standards.
Also, they were really quite good parents: John ensured their three children got the best educations possible and Anne was present in their lives in a way many noble mothers weren’t.
5a) Mary Tudor, Dowager Duchess of Brittany and Dauphine de France, b. 1516 m. a) Francis III Valois, Duke of Brittany, b. 1518, d. 1536; b) Anne de Montmorency, b. 1493
1a) Francis II Valois, King of France, b. 1537
2a) Catherine Valois, b. 1536 (posthumous birth)
3b) Anne de Montmorency, b. 1555
We don’t really know what Mary Tudor thought about her first husband; they were married such a short time. But from what was observed, it appeared to be cordial. And she would manage to give Francis a son and a posthumous daughter.
After the Dauphin’s death, Mary would throw herself into the raising of her children and the governing of Brittany and later France. (She would serve as her son’s regent in Brittany from 1536 to 1554, and as his regent in France from 1547 to 1554). She would ensure the best of tutors and both Francis and Catherine would grow to be exceptionally talented individuals.
At the end of her son’s regency, Mary would remarry to the widowed Anne de Montmorency, Duke of Montmorency. They would have only one child.
6a) Margaret Tudor, Abbess of Syon Abbey, b. 1518
Margaret Tudor was always of particularly delicate health. This and her birth so close after the death of Princess Elizabeth (the elder, not to be confused with her younger half-sister) cause both parents to dote excessively on her and be exceedingly careful with her health.
It would only take one physician warning that childbirth would be unusually dangerous for Margaret, to prompt King Henry VIII to dedicate her to a religious life. While initially entrusted to Isabel Jordayne of Wilton Abbey, Margaret would find the hours of silence practiced by the Benedictine nuns a challenge and so requested to be sent to Isabel’s sister Agnes Jordan of Syon Abbey.
Margaret would eventually be elected Abbess of Syon Abbey and wielded significant influence on the church in England. She would find common cause with her step-mother, and the two would do much to weed out corruption.
7c) Jasper Fitzroy, Bishop of Lindisfarne, b. 1519 r. Catherine Brown, b. 1522
1) Henry Brown, b. 1552
2) William Brown, b. 1554
3) Catherine Brown, b. 1556
4) Jasper Brown, b. 1560
5) Elizabeth Brown, b. 1563
As a son, Jasper was a pleasant surprise, but as a fourth son and a bastard, Jasper was often an afterthought. Of all of the children of Henry VIII, Jasper was the most neglected. His future was only decided after Margaret’s, as her dedication to the religious life prompted Henry VIII to consider the church as a good place for his eldest bastard. His elevation to Bishop only happened after that of his younger bastard half-brother.
Of all his siblings, Jasper was closest to Margaret, but they would quarrel later in life when she discovered his three bastard children. As Jasper refused to give up his mistress (a London merchant’s wife by the name of Anne Brown. All of their children were acknowledged by Anne's husband Edward Brown), he and Margaret would never make up. But, he and Anne would go on to have two more children, and by all accounts were very happy.
On the whole, Jasper was rather isolated from his Tudor relatives. And he was probably happier for it.
8b) Elizabeth Tudor, b. 1533, m. John Habsburg, Duke of Burgundy, b. 1530*
1) Charles Habsburg, b. 1552, d. 1574
2) Maximilian Habsburg, Duke of Burgundy, b. 1555
3) Margaret Habsburg, b. 1562
4) Eduard Habsburg, Count of Artois, b. 1564
The eldest of Queen Anne’s children, Elizabeth Tudor was bright, vivacious, and beautiful. As she was only three years younger than her eldest nephew, Edward, they grew up together in the royal nursery. The two of them would remain close their entire lives.
Henry VIII had always been indecisive with betrothals and had a tendency to change his mind last minute. As Anne wished for a prestigious match for her only daughter she would write to her former Lady, Margaret of Austria.** She and Anne would exchange several letters which resulted in Margaret suggesting to her nephew Charles V, that his second son should wed Princess Elizabeth.
To keep Henry from changing his mind, the marriage took place when Elizabeth was a mere twelve years old (though consumption wouldn’t occur until almost seven years later) and Elizabeth would spend the rest of her girlhood in the Netherlands in the care of Margaret of Austria. Margaret was excessively fond of little Elizabeth as she had been of Elizabeth’s mother, and the two would remain quite close until Margaret’s death.
While Elizabeth remained in the Netherlands, John traveled with his father for much of his teens. Thus the first time John and Elizabeth spent any great time together would be at Margaret’s funeral in 1550. The two would quickly fall in love and worked well together in governing The Netherlands.
*A second surviving son of Charles V
*Here Margaret never stepped on broken glass: no gangrene means longer lifespan.
9b) Charles Tudor, Duke of Richmond, b. 1534, d. 1551 m. Marguerite d’Albret/Margaret of Navarre, b. 1530*
1) Henry Tudor of Richmond, Duke of Richmond, b. 1551
Like his sister, his marriage was arranged by his mother who wrote to her old friend Margaret de Angouleme. His marriage to Marguerite d’Albret was happy but short. As Charles was a genial easy going man, and was many a Tudor’s favorite relative, his early death from a winter chill greatly grieved the Tudor family.
Unlike Anne of Cleves, Margaret of Navarre would not remain in England. And so, Henry of Richmond would be raised by his grandmother, Queen Anne.
*OTL Jean d’Albret the short-lived brother of Jeanne d’Albret
10b) Edmund Tudor, Duke of Somerset, b. 1535 m. a) Anne Grey, b. 1536, d.1558*; b) Agnes Howard, b. 1542**; r. c) Mary; d) Alice of Tyrone***;
1a) Frances Tudor of Somerset, b. 1555
2c) Edmund FitzSomerset, b. 1557
3a) Mary Tudor of Somerset, b. 1558
4b) George Tudor of Somerset, Duke of Somerset, b. 1560
5b) Edward Tudor of Somerset, b. 1563
6d) Caitilin Nic Eamonn/Kate FitzEdmund, b. 1567
7b) Henry Tudor of Somerset, b. 1573
8b) Thomas Tudor of Somerset, b. 1578
Edmund Tudor was very much his father’s son, especially in his temper. He frequently quarreled with the women in his life.
First with his mother when he was wed to his cousin Anne Grey: he found her overly pious and annoyingly clever. (Ironically, this was the only marriage of Queen Anne’s children which was arranged by Henry VIII).
Then he quarreled with his wife and sired a bastard on a woman named Mary of unknown background. This prompted Lady Anne to leave court and retire to the country. But, Edmund would bitterly regret quarreling with Lady Anne when she died giving birth to his second daughter.
Edmund choose his second wife in another cousin, Agnes Howard. The two were very passionate and quarreled and made up regularly. During one quarrel Edmund once again picked up a mistress, this time, an Alice of Tyrone. Interestingly enough it appears Agnes had no objection to Alice and would take Alice as one of her ladies.
All three would continue to quarrel and make up regularly and apparently happily for the rest of their lives.
*OTL Jane Grey. Named Anne since Anne was still queen at the time. She is still Frances Brandon's heir
**Since Anne Boleyn doesn’t fall from favor, Margaret Douglas is allowed to marry Thomas Howard, they have a whole brood of children
***Accompanies Kate O’Neil when she is brought to court, ancestry unclear
11b) George Tudor, Duke of Pembroke b. 1536 m. Anne Stafford, b. 1542*
1) Thomasin Tudor of Pembroke, b. 1566
2) Ursala Tudor of Pembroke, b. 1573
George Tudor was fascinated with exploration. First he would obsess over sailing and worked to expand the English fleet. Then his obsession expanded to the New World. He would spend a great deal of time there, overseeing various colonies and exploration efforts. He would eventually be appointed Viceroy of the American Colonies.
Due to his frequent absences, George and Anne’s marriage was rather cool, though polite. And he had almost no relation with his daughters.
*With Henry more secure Buckingham chooses to not try for the throne and so retained his head, this is one of the daughters of Henry Stafford and Ursula Pole
12d) Thomas Fitzroy, Bishop of London, b. 1536
The eldest of Henry and Jane’s bastards, Thomas Fitzroy was clever, driven, and not afraid to ask his royal father for things. This resulted in the appointment of Thomas as Bishop of London at the young age of 19 which annoyed several people.
Thomas would use his position to involve himself in English politics. He often found himself at religious odds with his elder half-sister Margaret and at political odds with his elder half-brother John. In fact the only half-sibling who really like Thomas was Charles of Richmond.
But, Thomas managed to stay on the good side of Henry IX who was the only one who really counted. (Henry IX thought he was useful) And so his religious career continued to progress. He would eventually be made a cardinal, and was almost pope several times, but never quite made it.
13d) William FitzRoy, Baron Welles, b. 1536 m. Anne Shelton, b. 1533*
1) Henry FitzRoy, Baron Welles, b. 1556
2) Jane FitzRoy, b. 1560
3) Mary FitzRoy, b. 1562
4) John FitzRoy, b. 1566
William inherited his Uncles’ scheming. Luckily for him, he never set his sights to high, instead scheming for things such as a slightly more prestigious marriage for one of his children or a minor court position. He was also relatively good at following orders which made him his brother Thomas’s favorite.
William’s second son would follow his uncle Thomas into the priesthood, and about a decade after Thomas’s death would achieve Thomas’s dream of becoming Pope.
*one of Anne Boleyn’s Shelton cousins.
14d) Edward FitzRoy, Baron Dynham, b. 1537 m. Anne Stafford, b. 1536*
1) Anne FitzRoy, b. 1555
2) Mary FitzRoy, b. 1557
3) Henry FitzRoy, Baron Dynham, b. 1560
4) Margary FitzRoy, b. 1562
5) Edward FitzRoy, b. 1566
6) Catherine FitzRoy, b. 1570
Edward was a mild inoffensive man, who managed to live in relative obscurity. This made him Queen Anne’s favorite step-son, and he was rewarded with marriage to her prettiest niece. The two were quite happy.
*Daughter of Mary Boleyn and William Stafford
15e) Joyce Fitzroy, b. 1542, d. 1547
The death of Lady Joyce from a childhood illness would be the death nell of Henry and Katherine Howard’s relationship. Katherine Howard would marry a handsome minor noble and Henry would return to Queen Anne and remain faithful for the rest of his life.
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I love this. You managed to give personality to all of the children and added plenty of interesting details. If you ever turn this into a timeline, I would love to read it.
Thank you all so much! I will add this to the ever growing list of timelines I might write someday.
And if anyone has suggestions for spouses for the next generation I would love to hear it
especially for all Hal’s bastards.Next generation? Elizabeth's son Maximilian could marry Elisabeth of Austria (IOTL Queen of France) or a surviving Victoire of Valois (youngest child of Henry II and Catherine de Medici who was stillborn IOTL).Thank you all so much! I will add this to the ever growing list of timelines I might write someday.
And if anyone has suggestions for spouses for the next generation I would love to hear it
To rip off the formatting of @Cate13
Francis I Valois-Angouleme b. 1494 d. 1547 m. 1514 Claude of Brittany b. 1499 d. 1524 [a] m. 1530 Eleanor of Austria b. 1498 d. 1558
Francis and Claude were not very compatible: his boisterous and flirtatious nature (not to mention his awareness of his stunning good looks) means that he did not find her quiet shyness at all appealing, especially when paired with her plain looks that deteriorated with illness and constant pregnancy. Despite this, he came to see her as a valuable consort and the two would have seven children together. After her death, he sincerely mourned her, although he never refused the attention of a beautiful woman. After being forced to marry the sister of his hated enemy Charles V, Archduchess Eleanor of Austria (previously known as the queen of Portugal), he initially resented her but found that her competence and wit worked quite well to endear her to him, and she was indeed much prettier than Claude. The couple would have three children together. Although he never managed to find a passionate and all-consuming romance with either of his wives, he was quite lucky compared to his other contemporary kings with regard to matrimony.
1a. Louise Valois-Angouleme b. 1515 d. 1533
Her sickliness was greatly concerning to her parents. She had many physicians basically guarding her throughout her youth. As a teenager, her menstruation was irregular and it turned out she had a tumor in her uterus that would have rendered her infertile anyway. This was discovered after she went riding with her sisters and got thrown off her horse when it suddenly rained and the horse slipped and its iron shoe tore open her skin as it fell on top of her. She had never married. a fact which she was very bitter about, although she was briefly betrothed to Charles V during her infancy.
2a. Charlotte Valois-Angouleme b. 1516 d. 1551 m. 1535 Sigismund II Augustus b. 1520 d. 1572
Although she was initially supposed to marry James V of Scotland, the two made such a bad impression on each other (James made a sneering remark about Charlotte's looks and Charlotte ended up losing her temper and publicly cussed him out in front of her parents, his ambassadors and his mother) that it was decided by her parents that she would find another groom (she knew that her sister, Madeleine, was the one James truly loved and she was happy to support them as long as she never had to visit). She married Sigismund II Augustus, King of Poland, after Poland quit supporting Zapolya. Although her mother-in-law detested her, she soon won the heart and fidelity of her husband, who doted upon her for the entirety of their marriage. She initially struggled to become pregnant but would end up giving birth to three sons. During her final childbirth, she would die of blood loss and her widower would remarry to the younger Archduchess Catherine of Austria, with whom he had no children.
3a. Francis II of France and III of Brittany b. 1518 d. 1574 m. 1533 Mary Tudor b. 1516 d. 1558
His birth was celebrated throughout France and Brittany, his existence having secured both family lines. After the unexpected death of the childless 23-year-old Prince of Wales one year after their marriage, his wife Mary became heiress to England. Henry VIII sought an annulment, causing great tension with France, but this became moot when Mary announced her pregnancy and gave birth to twin sons, christened Francis and Henry after their respective grandfathers. This solved the issue for Henry who demanded that his namesake grandson be shipped over to England to become his heir. Mary acquiesced, and once her father died she would frequently visit England, even though she and her husband would have another seven children. A scholarly and serious man, his court was much more austere than his father's, and he and his wife worked hard to promote Catholicism in both France and England.
4a. Henry, Duke of Orleans b. 1519 d. 1566 m. Catherine de Medici b. 1519 d. 1556 [a] m. Diane de Poitiers b. 1500 d. 1566
He was married to Catherine de' Medici, an Italian noblewoman. Though he refused to allow her a formal role in politics and certainly never loved her, she impressed him with her intelligence and keenness to please. Her fertility also pleased him, and they would end up having ten children together. Despite this, he was regularly unfaithful and treated her with only courtesy. After she died in childbirth delivering stillborn twins, he remarried his true love: his long-term mistress, the widowed Diane de Poitiers, whom he had requested his nephew create the Duchess of Valentinois. Though he had had a cold relationship with his sister-in-law Mary, as she was the cousin of the man who had kept him imprisoned in Spain for years, he and his nephew had a much warmer and closer bond. The couple had no children together but remained faithfully and happily married until her death. It is said that upon hearing of Diane's death, Henry collapsed in grief. He died a month later of what was called a broken heart.
5a. Madeleine b. 1520 d. 1550 m. 1537 James V of Scotland b. 1512 d. 1542
When the king of Scotland came courting, she instantly fell head over heels in love, and had secretly been distraught when her sister was supposed to be his bride instead. Luckily for her, Charlotte was uninterested in him and was happy to allow Madeleine to marry him. And she was also a French princess, which qualified for the Auld Alliance. They were blissfully in love until the end of their days and had nine children together.
6a. Charles, Duke of Angouleme b. 1522 d. 1566 m. 1541 Jeanne III of Navarre b. 1528 d. 1572
His fondness for practical jokes and wild antics faded as he aged, though he would always adore extravagant fashions, and was generous to a fault. His frivolous nature did not appeal to his wife (who was also his cousin) Jeanne d'Albret, Queen of Navarre. The couple had six children together despite the fact that their differing religious opinions caused their marriage to be irreparably ruined. He would return to France after ten years of marriage as he was disgusted with what he saw as her heresy.
7a. Margaret b. 1523 d. 1574 m. 1546 Philip II of Spain b. 1527 d. 1598
After Philip II was widowed, he was in need of a wife and Margaret was single. An agreement between Francis and Charles was made and soon Margaret was shipped off to Spain to be his wife. Despite the age gap she proved to be quite fruitful, bearing him five children. Though she would never truly love her husband, she was a competent consort with a good sense of responsibility. She helped to repay some of the debts left behind by Charles V and supported his aggressive policies towards the Ottoman empire. She would die shortly after her first grandchild was born.
8b. Eleanor b. 1532 d. 1533
Her death shortly before her first birthday devastated her parents.
9b. Louis b. 1533 d. 1603 m. Margaret of Austria b. 1536 d. 1567
Although both desired a religious life in a monastery and convent respectively, their parents decided another branch of the family was needed, and so they wed. However their marriage was cold and formal with no romance between them. They had two daughters whom they left mostly in the hands of their governesses and nursemaids, and occasionally their visiting aunts and uncles.
10b. Isabelle b. 1535 d. 1594 m. Emmanuel Philibert of Savoy b. 1528
She became Duchess of Savoy upon marriage to Emmanuel Philibert of Savoy. The couple were devoted to each other, having five children. After they recovered their lands, she helped her husband fight for the Portuguese throne upon the death of Henry the cardinal king. Upon realizing they would not win, they married off their eldest daughter to the son of Philip II, ensuring that they could have their bloodline continue in Portugal.
Francis I Valois-Angouleme b. 1494 d. 1547 m. 1514 Claude of Brittany b. 1499 d. 1524 [a] m. 1530 Eleanor of Austria b. 1498 d. 1558
Francis and Claude were not very compatible: his boisterous and flirtatious nature (not to mention his awareness of his stunning good looks) means that he did not find her quiet shyness at all appealing, especially when paired with her plain looks that deteriorated with illness and constant pregnancy. Despite this, he came to see her as a valuable consort and the two would have seven children together. After her death, he sincerely mourned her, although he never refused the attention of a beautiful woman. After being forced to marry the sister of his hated enemy Charles V, Archduchess Eleanor of Austria (previously known as the queen of Portugal), he initially resented her but found that her competence and wit worked quite well to endear her to him, and she was indeed much prettier than Claude. The couple would have three children together. Although he never managed to find a passionate and all-consuming romance with either of his wives, he was quite lucky compared to his other contemporary kings with regard to matrimony.
1a. Louise Valois-Angouleme b. 1515 d. 1533
Her sickliness was greatly concerning to her parents. She had many physicians basically guarding her throughout her youth. As a teenager, her menstruation was irregular and it turned out she had a tumor in her uterus that would have rendered her infertile anyway. This was discovered after she went riding with her sisters and got thrown off her horse when it suddenly rained and the horse slipped and its iron shoe tore open her skin as it fell on top of her. She had never married. a fact which she was very bitter about, although she was briefly betrothed to Charles V during her infancy.
2a. Charlotte Valois-Angouleme b. 1516 d. 1551 m. 1535 Sigismund II Augustus b. 1520 d. 1572
Although she was initially supposed to marry James V of Scotland, the two made such a bad impression on each other (James made a sneering remark about Charlotte's looks and Charlotte ended up losing her temper and publicly cussed him out in front of her parents, his ambassadors and his mother) that it was decided by her parents that she would find another groom (she knew that her sister, Madeleine, was the one James truly loved and she was happy to support them as long as she never had to visit). She married Sigismund II Augustus, King of Poland, after Poland quit supporting Zapolya. Although her mother-in-law detested her, she soon won the heart and fidelity of her husband, who doted upon her for the entirety of their marriage. She initially struggled to become pregnant but would end up giving birth to three sons. During her final childbirth, she would die of blood loss and her widower would remarry to the younger Archduchess Catherine of Austria, with whom he had no children.
3a. Francis II of France and III of Brittany b. 1518 d. 1574 m. 1533 Mary Tudor b. 1516 d. 1558
His birth was celebrated throughout France and Brittany, his existence having secured both family lines. After the unexpected death of the childless 23-year-old Prince of Wales one year after their marriage, his wife Mary became heiress to England. Henry VIII sought an annulment, causing great tension with France, but this became moot when Mary announced her pregnancy and gave birth to twin sons, christened Francis and Henry after their respective grandfathers. This solved the issue for Henry who demanded that his namesake grandson be shipped over to England to become his heir. Mary acquiesced, and once her father died she would frequently visit England, even though she and her husband would have another seven children. A scholarly and serious man, his court was much more austere than his father's, and he and his wife worked hard to promote Catholicism in both France and England.
4a. Henry, Duke of Orleans b. 1519 d. 1566 m. Catherine de Medici b. 1519 d. 1556 [a] m. Diane de Poitiers b. 1500 d. 1566
He was married to Catherine de' Medici, an Italian noblewoman. Though he refused to allow her a formal role in politics and certainly never loved her, she impressed him with her intelligence and keenness to please. Her fertility also pleased him, and they would end up having ten children together. Despite this, he was regularly unfaithful and treated her with only courtesy. After she died in childbirth delivering stillborn twins, he remarried his true love: his long-term mistress, the widowed Diane de Poitiers, whom he had requested his nephew create the Duchess of Valentinois. Though he had had a cold relationship with his sister-in-law Mary, as she was the cousin of the man who had kept him imprisoned in Spain for years, he and his nephew had a much warmer and closer bond. The couple had no children together but remained faithfully and happily married until her death. It is said that upon hearing of Diane's death, Henry collapsed in grief. He died a month later of what was called a broken heart.
5a. Madeleine b. 1520 d. 1550 m. 1537 James V of Scotland b. 1512 d. 1542
When the king of Scotland came courting, she instantly fell head over heels in love, and had secretly been distraught when her sister was supposed to be his bride instead. Luckily for her, Charlotte was uninterested in him and was happy to allow Madeleine to marry him. And she was also a French princess, which qualified for the Auld Alliance. They were blissfully in love until the end of their days and had nine children together.
6a. Charles, Duke of Angouleme b. 1522 d. 1566 m. 1541 Jeanne III of Navarre b. 1528 d. 1572
His fondness for practical jokes and wild antics faded as he aged, though he would always adore extravagant fashions, and was generous to a fault. His frivolous nature did not appeal to his wife (who was also his cousin) Jeanne d'Albret, Queen of Navarre. The couple had six children together despite the fact that their differing religious opinions caused their marriage to be irreparably ruined. He would return to France after ten years of marriage as he was disgusted with what he saw as her heresy.
7a. Margaret b. 1523 d. 1574 m. 1546 Philip II of Spain b. 1527 d. 1598
After Philip II was widowed, he was in need of a wife and Margaret was single. An agreement between Francis and Charles was made and soon Margaret was shipped off to Spain to be his wife. Despite the age gap she proved to be quite fruitful, bearing him five children. Though she would never truly love her husband, she was a competent consort with a good sense of responsibility. She helped to repay some of the debts left behind by Charles V and supported his aggressive policies towards the Ottoman empire. She would die shortly after her first grandchild was born.
8b. Eleanor b. 1532 d. 1533
Her death shortly before her first birthday devastated her parents.
9b. Louis b. 1533 d. 1603 m. Margaret of Austria b. 1536 d. 1567
Although both desired a religious life in a monastery and convent respectively, their parents decided another branch of the family was needed, and so they wed. However their marriage was cold and formal with no romance between them. They had two daughters whom they left mostly in the hands of their governesses and nursemaids, and occasionally their visiting aunts and uncles.
10b. Isabelle b. 1535 d. 1594 m. Emmanuel Philibert of Savoy b. 1528
She became Duchess of Savoy upon marriage to Emmanuel Philibert of Savoy. The couple were devoted to each other, having five children. After they recovered their lands, she helped her husband fight for the Portuguese throne upon the death of Henry the cardinal king. Upon realizing they would not win, they married off their eldest daughter to the son of Philip II, ensuring that they could have their bloodline continue in Portugal.
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Catherine of Aragon dies in1532, Henry VIII still marries Anne Boleyn, but with CoA already dead there is no need to illegitimize Mary. Henry and Anne's marriage does not last long-King dies in jousting accident in 1536, his posthumous son succeedes him briefly, but he lives only two weeks and is sucveeded in turn by older half-sister.
Henry VIII (1491-1536) King of England 1509, m. a) Catherine of Aragon (1485-1532) b) Anne Boleyn (1507-1559)
a) Mary (1516-1566) Queen of England 1536, m. James V/I (1512-1549) King of Scotland, King of England iure uxoris
b) Elizabeth (1534-1603) m. Anthony I (1539-1584) King of Portugal [1]
b) Henry IX (1536) King of England 1536
[1] Youngest son of John III of Portugal and Catherine of Austria
Henry VIII (1491-1536) King of England 1509, m. a) Catherine of Aragon (1485-1532) b) Anne Boleyn (1507-1559)
a) Mary (1516-1566) Queen of England 1536, m. James V/I (1512-1549) King of Scotland, King of England iure uxoris
James VI/II (1538-1591) King of Scotland 1549, King of England 1566
b) Elizabeth (1534-1603) m. Anthony I (1539-1584) King of Portugal [1]
Isabella (1558-1606)
Catherine (1561-1583)
John IV (1563-1589) King of Portugal 1584
Manuel (1566-1586) Duke of Coimbra
Henry I (1570-1619) King of Portugal 1589
b) Henry IX (1536) King of England 1536
[1] Youngest son of John III of Portugal and Catherine of Austria
Victoria (prev. Alexandrina Victoria of Kent), b. 1819, r. 1837 to 1841, m. (1840) Prince Albert of Saxe Coburg and Gotha (1819 to 1881)
Victoria enters premature labour in September 1841, the baby is lost and Victoria herself dies from complications incurred, the ten month old Princess Royal (created as such in January 1841) is now Victoria II and as per the Regency Act of 1840, Prince Albert becomes Regent
Albert however is grief-stricken. The Dowager Duchess of Kent, having reconciled with her daughter the previous year, steps up to look after her granddaughter, and the King of Hanover, now Heir Presumptive to Britain once more, returns from the continent to try and wield his influence once more.
This ultimately fails. Much later, Albert considers that a match with Frederick of Prussia is idea, but Elisabeth Ludovika of Bavaria, Queen of Prussia, Frederick's aunt, finds her notorious anglophobia wins out. She'll be damned if her nephew is going to marry a British princess, let alone the British Queen.
Instead, the Queen marries her cousin, Ernst, Prince of Leiningen, who has been serving in the Royal Navy from 1849 in a match orchestrated by their respective grandmother, the Dowager Duchess of Kent.
Victoria and Erst have two children - a son who marries a Russian Grand Duchess, and a daughter who marries the Duke of Gotland. The son, William V, only outlives his own mother by three weeks and does not have a coronation - he is succeeded by his own seven year old son who has yet to even be invested as Prince of Wales. The Prince of Leiningen acts as Regent for his Grandson, the current Regency Act states that the Dowager Queen should not be invested as such given her Russian ties. When the Prince of Leiningen dies (and George V of Britain succeeds to the title), the Princess Royal and her husband, the Duke of Gotland, are invested as Co-Regents.
The Dowager Queen is spitting tacks at this and later introduces Prince Yusopov to Victoria and Sophia of Sweden, he marries Sophia. The Princess Royal then influences her former charge to a marriage with her own great niece by marriage, Ingrid of Sweden.
(fully aware some of this is unlikely, but given the space, unable to add significantly more context on how this was achieved)
a) Victoria II (prev. Victoria Mary Adelaide Louisa, Princess Royal), b. 1840, r. 1841 to 5th August 1901, m (1858). Ernst Leopold, Prince of Leiningen (1830 to 1904), Regent of Great Britain (1901 to 1904)
1) William V (prev. Ernst William Carl Albert), b. 1863, r. 5th August to 30th August 1901, m. Grand Duchess Xenia Alexandrovna (1875 to 1960)
a) Mary of Great Britain (Mary Victoria), b. 1893, d. 1963
b) George V (prev. George Leopold), b. 1894, r. 30th August 1901 to 1956, m. Ingrid of Sweden (1910 to 2000)
1) George VI (prev. George Gustaf) b. 1940, r. 1956 to Present, m. Irene of the Netherlands (1939 to Present)
a) Irene (Irene Mary), Princess Royal, b. 1970
b) George, Prince of Wales, (George Henry),b. 1972
c) Ingrid of Great Britain (Ingrid Juliana), b. 1972
d) Peter, Duke of Gloucester, (Peter Bernard), b. 1974
2) James, Duke of York, (James Olaf) b. 1944
3) Charles, Duke of Kent (Charles Oscar), b. 1946
c) William, Prince of Leiningen (William Alexander), b. 1900, d. 1961, m. Olivia de Havilland, Princess of Leiningen (1916 to 2020)
1) Princess Olivia of Leiningen, (Olivia Alexandra) b. 1949
2) William, Prince of Leiningen, (William Walter), b. 1956, m. Hon. Nigella Lawson (1960 to Present)
a) Alexander, Hereditary Prince of Leiningen (Alexander Nigel), b. 1994, m. Sir Thomas Daley
x 1) Lord George Leiningen-Daley, b. 2020
b) Lady Lucy Leiningen, (Lucy Olivia), b. 1996
2) Victoria, Princess Royal (Victoria Anne Charlotte Augusta), b. 1866, d. 1939, m. Oscar of Sweden, Duke of Gotland (1859 to 1953), Regent and Regent Consort or Great Britain (1904 to 1912)
a) Oscar, Duke of Halland, b. 1889, d. 1974
b) Victoria of Sweden, b. 1890, d. 1977, F
c) Leopold, Duke of Ostergotland, b. 1892, d. 1936
d) Albert, Duke of Vasterbotten, b. 1893, d. 1996
e) Sophia of Sweden, b. 1895, d. 1948, m. Prince Felix Felixovich Yusopov (1887 to 1967)
Victoria enters premature labour in September 1841, the baby is lost and Victoria herself dies from complications incurred, the ten month old Princess Royal (created as such in January 1841) is now Victoria II and as per the Regency Act of 1840, Prince Albert becomes Regent
Albert however is grief-stricken. The Dowager Duchess of Kent, having reconciled with her daughter the previous year, steps up to look after her granddaughter, and the King of Hanover, now Heir Presumptive to Britain once more, returns from the continent to try and wield his influence once more.
This ultimately fails. Much later, Albert considers that a match with Frederick of Prussia is idea, but Elisabeth Ludovika of Bavaria, Queen of Prussia, Frederick's aunt, finds her notorious anglophobia wins out. She'll be damned if her nephew is going to marry a British princess, let alone the British Queen.
Instead, the Queen marries her cousin, Ernst, Prince of Leiningen, who has been serving in the Royal Navy from 1849 in a match orchestrated by their respective grandmother, the Dowager Duchess of Kent.
Victoria and Erst have two children - a son who marries a Russian Grand Duchess, and a daughter who marries the Duke of Gotland. The son, William V, only outlives his own mother by three weeks and does not have a coronation - he is succeeded by his own seven year old son who has yet to even be invested as Prince of Wales. The Prince of Leiningen acts as Regent for his Grandson, the current Regency Act states that the Dowager Queen should not be invested as such given her Russian ties. When the Prince of Leiningen dies (and George V of Britain succeeds to the title), the Princess Royal and her husband, the Duke of Gotland, are invested as Co-Regents.
The Dowager Queen is spitting tacks at this and later introduces Prince Yusopov to Victoria and Sophia of Sweden, he marries Sophia. The Princess Royal then influences her former charge to a marriage with her own great niece by marriage, Ingrid of Sweden.
(fully aware some of this is unlikely, but given the space, unable to add significantly more context on how this was achieved)
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