List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage
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This was not discussed. Why is he marrying Bessie Blount when he can make foreign alliances?
The wedding to Bessie and them having a son is a big obstacle in finding another match to Henry. Kill off Catherine in 1516 or 1517 and he will marry Eleanor of Austria, who would be also on the cards as third wife if Charles is willing to pass over the fact who the son of a commoner would be King instead of his sister’s son… and I do not know how likely is that…
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Because there are other aspects to the timeline that will be explored in Scotland and England.
He's grieving/horny/Bessie is right there.
Indeed this is very true, especially with her having given him an heir.
No way will Charles send his sister over to England for her to give birth to spares...especially as the heir is son of commoner. Henry can ship Mary off to some Habsburg man to keep good relations with Charles if needed
I would say who Henry wanting an heir yesterday and his dislike of the idea of marrying someone who he do not know would be enough for explaining why the King married his pregnant mistress…
Do not count too much on it. Eleanor was married twice to Kings who had already a lot of heirs and in the middle was engaged to a French Duke and junior prince who had passed on his side after his King had denied him his rightful inheritance because the mother of said king had put forward a shaky claim over it
Juana I of Castile b. 1462 m. Alfonso XII b. 1453
1a. Isabel of Castile b. 1478 m. Alfonso VI of Portugal
2a. Henry V of Castile b. 1482 m. Margaret of Austria
1a. Isabel of Castile b. 1478 m. Alfonso VI of Portugal
2a. Henry V of Castile b. 1482 m. Margaret of Austria
Scenario: The Boleyn King.
Mary Tudor is forced to marry George Boleyn in 1535, after Jane Parker's death, to fully humiliate her. Mary has a son during Anne Boleyn's final pregnancy in 1536, and George names him Thomas after his father. Following the Boleyn downfall, Thomas Boleyn Jnr. is placed in the household of his paternal grandparents (in part because Henry isn't interested in his Boleyn grandchild) and only returns to Mary Tudor's care in 1539, after his grandfather's death. The young Earl of Wiltshire and Ormond becomes a favourite of his grandfather in his later years, and in 1552 marries Jane Fitzalan. Mary still marries Philip II of Spain and considers disinheriting her son due to the non-consensual nature of her marriage, but he is still legitimate upon her death and ascends to the throne. He shows some favour to his Boleyn relatives (he affirms Elizabeth's inheritance of her mother's titles and brings Mary Boleyn's children to court) but doesn't overly favour them, instead emphasising his Tudor heritage where possible.
Thomas Boleyn, Earl of Wiltshire and Ormond (c.1477: d.1539) m. Elizabeth Howard (c.1480: d.1538) (a)
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Mary Tudor is forced to marry George Boleyn in 1535, after Jane Parker's death, to fully humiliate her. Mary has a son during Anne Boleyn's final pregnancy in 1536, and George names him Thomas after his father. Following the Boleyn downfall, Thomas Boleyn Jnr. is placed in the household of his paternal grandparents (in part because Henry isn't interested in his Boleyn grandchild) and only returns to Mary Tudor's care in 1539, after his grandfather's death. The young Earl of Wiltshire and Ormond becomes a favourite of his grandfather in his later years, and in 1552 marries Jane Fitzalan. Mary still marries Philip II of Spain and considers disinheriting her son due to the non-consensual nature of her marriage, but he is still legitimate upon her death and ascends to the throne. He shows some favour to his Boleyn relatives (he affirms Elizabeth's inheritance of her mother's titles and brings Mary Boleyn's children to court) but doesn't overly favour them, instead emphasising his Tudor heritage where possible.
Thomas Boleyn, Earl of Wiltshire and Ormond (c.1477: d.1539) m. Elizabeth Howard (c.1480: d.1538) (a)
1a) Mary Boleyn (c.1498/1501: d.1543) m. William Carey (c.1500: d.1528) (a), William Stafford (c.1508: d.1556) (b)
1a) Catherine Carey (b.1524: d.1588) m. Sir Francis Knollys (b.1511: d.1596) (a)
1a) Mary Knollys (b.1541)
2a) Henry Knollys (b.1542)
3a) Lettice Knollys (b.1543)
4a) William Knollys (b.1544)
5a) Edward Knollys (b.1546)
6a) Richard Knollys (b.1548)
7a) Elizabeth Knolys (b.1549)
8a) Maud Knollys (b.1550: d.1556)
9a) Thomas Knollys (b.1551)
10a) Francis Knollys (b.1552)
11a) Anne Knollys (b.1555)
12a) Catherine Knollys (b.1559)
13a) Cecily Knollys (b.1560)
14a) Margaret Knollys (b.1561)
15a) Dudley Knollys (b.1562: d.1562)
2a) Henry Carey, Baron Hunsdon (b.1526: d.1596) m. Anne Morgan (bc.1529: d.1607) (a)
1a) George Carey, Baron Husdon (b.1547)
2a) Michael Carey (b.1550)
3a) Katherine Carey (b.1550)
4a) John Carey (b.1551)
5a) Henry Carey (c.1552)
6a) William Carey (b.1552: d.1552)
7a) William Carey (b.1553)
8a) Thomas Carey (b.1555: d.1555)
9a) Thomas Carey (b.1556)
10a) Edmund Carey (b.1558)
11a) Robert Carey (b.1560)
12a) Philadelphia Carey (b.1563)
13a) Margaret Carey (b.1564)
3b) Edward Stafford (b.1535: d.1545)
4b) Anne Stafford (c.1536: d.1536)
2a) Thomas Boleyn (c.1500: d.1506)
3a) Henry Boleyn (c.1500: d.1506)
4a) George Boleyn (c.1504: d.1536) m. Jane Parker (c.1505: d.1533) (a), Mary I, Queen of England and Ireland (b.1516: d.1558) (b)
1a) Miscarriage (c.1533)
2b) Thomas I, King of England and Ireland (b.1536: d.1576) m. Jane Fitzalan (b.1537: d.1578) (a)
1a) Mary Boleyn, Princess of England (b.1553: d.1573) m. Charles IX, King of France (b.1550: d.1574) (a)
1a) Marguerite, Princess of France (b.1572: d.1637) m. Henri IV, King of France (b.1553: d.1610) (a)
1a) Marie, Princess of France (b.1600)
2a) Louis, Dauphin of France (b.1601: d.1604)
3a) Henri V, King of France (b.1602)
4a) Elisabeth, Princess of France (b.1604: d.1611)
5a) Marguerite, Princess of France (b.1605: d.1606)
6a) Gaston, Duke of Orleans (b.1607)
7a) Nicholas, Duke of Anjou (b.1608: d.1623)
8a) Charlotte, Princess of France (b.1609)
9a) Jeanne, Princess of France (b.1610)
2a) Elisabeth, Princess of France (b.1573: d.1574)
2a) Henry Boleyn, Prince of Wales (b.1555: d.1570)
3a) Catherine Boleyn, Princess of England (b.1556: 1558)
4a) William II, King of England and Ireland (b.1559: d.1583) m. Elisabeth, Archduchess of Austria (b.1554: d.1592) (a)
1a) Elizabeth Boleyn, Princess of England and Ireland (b.1578)
2a) Stillborn Son (c.1580)
3a) Henry IX, King of England and Ireland (b.1583)
4a) Ferdinand Boleyn, Duke of York (b.1584)
5a) Jane Boleyn, Princess of England and Ireland (b.1561: d.1561)
6a) Thomas Boleyn, Duke of Somerset (b.1564: d.1614) m. Lucy Percy (c.1570: d.1635) (a)
1a) Edmund Boleyn, Earl of Cambridge (b.1595: d.1618)
- never married, had no issue
2a) Alan Boleyn (b.1598: d.1600)
3a) Mary Boleyn (b.1603)
7a) Charles Boleyn, Prince of England and Ireland (b.1566: d.1566)
8a) Anne Boleyn, Princess of England and Ireland (b.1568: d.1629) m. Philip II, King of Spain (b.1527: d.1598) (a), Henry II, Duke of Lorraine (b.1563: d.1624) (b)
1a) Stillborn Son (c.1584)
2a) Luisa, Infanta of Spain (b.1587)
3a) Miscarriage (c.1590)
4b) Nicole of Lorraine (b.1606)
5b) Charles IV, Duke of Lorraine (b.1608)
6b) Claude of Lorraine (b.1610: d.1612)
7b) Elisabeth of Lorraine (b.1611)
8b) Robert of Lorraine (b.1612)
5a) Anne Boleyn (b.1501/1507: d.1536) m. Henry VIII, King of England and Ireland (b.1491: d.1547) (a)
1a) Elizabeth Tudor, Marquess of Pembroke (b.1533: d.1603) m. Sir Robert Dudley (b.1532: d.1588) (a)
1a) Anne Dudley (b.1563)
2a) Francis Dudley, Marquis of Pembroke (b.1566)
3a) Thomas Dudley (b.1568: d.1568)
2a) Stillborn Son (c.1534)
3a) Miscarriage (c.1536)
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Isabella said French duke AND junior prince, Bourbon was both...
Exactly. Bourbon was both, so the ‘French Duke’ and ‘junior prince’ are the same person.
Eleanor of Aquitaine m. Louis VII div 1152(a) Henry II div. 1158 (b)
1a. Marie, Duchess of Aquitaine b. 1145 m. Bohemond III of Antioch(a)
1a1a. William XII of Aquitaine b. 1170
1a2a. Bohemond IV of Antioch b. 1172
2a. Alix of France b. 1150 m. Alfonso VIII of Castile
3b. William b. 1153 d. 1153
4b. Matilda b. 1155 m. Henry the Lion
5b. Eleanor b. 1156 m. William III of Sicily
6b. Joanna b. 1157 m. Henry VI of HRE
Henry II m. Eleanor of Aquitaine div. 1158(a) Constance of Sicily(b)
1a. William b. 1153 d. 1153
2a. Matilda b. 1155
3a. Eleanor b. 1156
4a. Joanna b. 1157
5b. Geoffrey b. 1168 m. Agnes of France
6b. Henry b. 1170
7b. Richard b. 1172
1a. Marie, Duchess of Aquitaine b. 1145 m. Bohemond III of Antioch(a)
1a1a. William XII of Aquitaine b. 1170
1a2a. Bohemond IV of Antioch b. 1172
2a. Alix of France b. 1150 m. Alfonso VIII of Castile
3b. William b. 1153 d. 1153
4b. Matilda b. 1155 m. Henry the Lion
5b. Eleanor b. 1156 m. William III of Sicily
6b. Joanna b. 1157 m. Henry VI of HRE
Henry II m. Eleanor of Aquitaine div. 1158(a) Constance of Sicily(b)
1a. William b. 1153 d. 1153
2a. Matilda b. 1155
3a. Eleanor b. 1156
4a. Joanna b. 1157
5b. Geoffrey b. 1168 m. Agnes of France
6b. Henry b. 1170
7b. Richard b. 1172
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