List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage

Assuming of course that there is sufficient dowry for such a marriage no?
Considering how important was the alliance for both sides and who I doubt who Philip would renounce to the match, unless a French girl was offered, I think who the dowry will not be an insurmountable problem (specially considering who in OTL Joanna brought no money, thanks to the double match with Spain, and who her trousseau was lost in the journey)
 
After her parents died, sure she and Manuel will divide their time between Portugal, Castile and Aragon
So, hypothetical tree:

Manuel I of Portugal m. 1499* Joanna of Castile and Aragon

1. Ferdinand of Castile and Aragon
2. Manuel
3. Isabella
4. Joanna
5. Maria
6. Katherine
7. Joao
8. Beatrice
 
So, hypothetical tree:

Manuel I of Portugal m. 1499* Joanna of Castile and Aragon

1. Ferdinand of Castile and Aragon
2. Manuel
3. Isabella
4. Joanna
5. Maria
6. Katherine
7. Joao
8. Beatrice
The heir would be called John/Juan of Spain… and the second girl Beatrice

And ended up becoming imprisoned + ruling from Portugal was never tried IOTL, so why are you convinced it's impossible? Philips from II to IV ruled all Iberia and they did it without much problems.
Agreed. What happened to Juana was all fault of her husband and parents and would NOT happen to her if she had married differently to a better husband
 
And ended up becoming imprisoned + ruling from Portugal was never tried IOTL, so why are you convinced it's impossible? Philips from II to IV ruled all Iberia and they did it without much problems.
Charles V spent his life on the road because he was simply unable to rule from one place alone, is all. But, Joanna could certainly try to rule Castile and Aragon from Portugal, it hasn't been done before.
 
The heir would be called John/Juan of Spain… and the second girl Beatrice


Agreed. What happened to Juana was all fault of her husband and parents and would NOT happen to her if she had married differently to a better husband
If it's the fault of her parents, it would happen regardless of who the husband is...the heir would NOT be called John because Joanna's brother, John, died too young to be king meaning the name would be seen as unlucky...
 
What happened to Juana was all fault of her husband and parents and would NOT happen to her if she had married differently to a better husband

Yeah, Manuel would have no interest in declaring Juana insane + judging from his OTL marriages he was a good husband.

Charles V spent his life on the road because he was simply unable to rule from one place alone, is all. But, Joanna could certainly try to rule Castile and Aragon from Portugal, it hasn't been done before.

Yeah, but Portugal is actually close at least to Castile, it's not that far. Union with Burgundy was actually harder to do, as Charles V's reign proves.
 
If it's the fault of her parents, it would happen regardless of who the husband is...
Absolutely false, specially as her wedding to Philip was one of the biggest trouble of her parents, well at least of her father
the heir would NOT be called John because Joanna's brother, John, died too young to be king meaning the name would be seen as unlucky...
Who had told you that absurdity? The heir would be called John in honour of both Joanna’s grandfathers and her late brother. As that was a name also used in Portugal, Manuel would be fine with it (see who Manuel’s eldest son by Maria, who was Joanna’s sister, was called John)…
 
Yeah, Manuel would have no interest in declaring Juana insane + judging from his OTL marriages he was a good husband.



Yeah, but Portugal is actually close at least to Castile, it's not that far. Union with Burgundy was actually harder to do, as Charles V's reign proves.
Manuel's wives IOTL were not queen regnants with their own power. However I agree with you, he actually seemed to be a decent husband for Isabella and Maria, unlike the pieces of shit that Joanna and Katherine ended up with. Union with Burgundy is tough to do, yes
 
Absolutely false, specially as her wedding to Philip was one of the biggest trouble of her parents, well at least of her father

Who had told you that absurdity? The heir would be called John in honour of both Joanna’s grandfathers and her late brother. As that was a name also used in Portugal, Manuel would be fine with it (see who Manuel’s eldest son by Maria, who was Joanna’s sister, was called John)…
...You said it was the fault of her parents and her husband...
So, Juan of Spain it is
 
Manuel's wives IOTL were not queen regnants with their own power. However I agree with you, he actually seemed to be a decent husband for Isabella and Maria, unlike the pieces of shit that Joanna and Katherine ended up with. Union with Burgundy is tough to do, yes

Well, I wouldn't call Henry completely unjustified. Say what you want, but dude tried to avert civil war as his knowledge would indicate that Mary's ascension would mean exactly that.
 
Well, I wouldn't call Henry completely unjustified. Say what you want, but dude tried to avert civil war as his knowledge would indicate that Mary's ascension would mean exactly that.
True, but I mean, he himself is descended from legitimized bastard, so why he did not just declare Fitzroy legitimate is beyond me
 
Manuel's wives IOTL were not queen regnants with their own power. However I agree with you, he actually seemed to be a decent husband for Isabella and Maria, unlike the pieces of shit that Joanna and Katherine ended up with. Union with Burgundy is tough to do, yes
Katherine was the BIGGEST responsible for her own fate as she had the ability to compromise instead of believing who every thing was hers for God’s will she would not end in the OTL situation. Joanna instead was a victim of the ambitions of her husband and father and of the religious fervor of her mother.

...You said it was the fault of her parents and her husband...
Yes, but married to Manuel she would be in a totally different situation and environment than her OTL ones
So, Juan of Spain it is
Good

True, but I mean, he himself is descended from legitimized bastard, so why he did not just declare Fitzroy legitimate is beyond me
Because he was unable to do it and a fully legitimate son would be better.
 
Considering how important was the alliance for both sides and who I doubt who Philip would renounce to the match, unless a French girl was offered, I think who the dowry will not be an insurmountable problem (specially considering who in OTL Joanna brought no money, thanks to the double match with Spain, and who her trousseau was lost in the journey)
So with dowries
Needed for
Liz, Cecile, Catherine and Anne that’s
Going to be quite the financial hit
 
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