List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage

Why is second son of Polish king married to Queen of Scots? Most likely he is married to some Italian princess as he'd likely inherit Italian duchies of his Sforza grandmother.
The Italian duchies will go to first son so the second son will need to find a rich wife...and who better than Queen of Scots who is known to be a wealthy beauty in her youth?
 
POD James V married Mary of Bourbon instead of Madeleine of Valois.

James V (b. 1512) m. 1537 Mary of Bourbon (b. 1515)

1. James VI (b. 1537) m. Maria of Portugal (b. 1538)
2. Mary (b. 1538) m. Edward VI of England (b. 1537)
3. Margaret (b. 1542) m. John of Austria (b. 1538)
4. Francoise (b. 1544) m. Francis II of France (b. 1544)
5. Robert (b. 1545) m. Dorothea of Lorraine (b. 1545)
6. Elizabeth (b. 1547) m. Carlos, Prince of Asturias (b. 1545)
 
POD: Edward V dies in Ludlow shortly after his father dies in London.

Richard III of England, Lord of Ireland (b.1475) m Anne, Duchess of Brittany (b.1477) in 1489

Issue:

Edward, Prince of Wales (b.1492)

Richard, Duke of Brittany (b.1493)*

Elizabeth, Princess of England (b.1495)

miscarriage (1497)

stillborn son (b.1499: d.1499)

stillborn daughter (b.1500: d.1500)

John, Duke of York (b.1503)*

miscarriage (1506)

Anne, Princess of England (b.1509)

*Per the marriage treaty, Richard and Anne's second son or eldest daughter would inherit Brittany after Anne, thus Richard junior becomes Duke of Brittany following his mother's death, he's also sent to Brittany to be raised there when he's a young lad. Richard and Anne's third son, John, is created Duke of York.

@Brita @Kellan Sullivan @isabella @FalconHonour @HortenseMancini @Carolus

Expanding on this:

Edward, Prince of Wales (b.1492) m Isabel of Portugal* (b.1492) in 1506

Issue:

Richard of Wales (b.1508)

stillborn son (b.1509: d.1509)

Anne of Wales (b.1511)

Elizabeth of Wales (b.1513)

Edward of Wales (b.1516)

stillborn daughter (b.1519: d.1519)

Mary of Wales (b.1521)

miscarriage (1523)

miscarriage (1526)

Edmund of Wales (b1527)

*Isabel of Portugal being the daughter of Afonso, Prince of Portugal and Isabel of Aragon
 
Expanding on this:

Edward, Prince of Wales (b.1492) m Isabel of Portugal* (b.1492) in 1506

Issue:

Richard of Wales (b.1508)

stillborn son (b.1509: d.1509)

Anne of Wales (b.1511)

Elizabeth of Wales (b.1513)

Edward of Wales (b.1516)

stillborn daughter (b.1519: d.1519)

Mary of Wales (b.1521)

miscarriage (1523)

miscarriage (1526)

Edmund of Wales (b1527)

*Isabel of Portugal being the daughter of Afonso, Prince of Portugal and Isabel of Aragon
Interesting! Could we perhaps see Catherine of Austria (daughter of Philip and Joanna) wed Richard of Wales?
 
That would be interesting, given Catherine's child mortality rate was, like her namesake aunt's, kind of shit...
Indeed tho Tbf she was also mareied
To someone who was incrediblt
Closely related to her. Here, I tbink their most common ancestor would actually be the catholic monarchs
 
Indeed tho Tbf she was also mareied
To someone who was incrediblt
Closely related to her. Here, I tbink their most common ancestor would actually be the catholic monarchs
True. Allow me to present you a hypothetical tree:

Richard of Wales (b. 1508) m. 1525 Catherine of Austria (b. 1507)

1. Richard (b. 1525)
2. Catherine (b. 1526)
3. Elizabeth (b. 1527)
4. Edward (b. 1528)
5. Cecily (b. 1529)
6. Jacquetta (b. 1530)
 
True. Allow me to present you a hypothetical tree:

Richard of Wales (b. 1508) m. 1525 Catherine of Austria (b. 1507)

1. Richard (b. 1525)
2. Catherine (b. 1526)
3. Elizabeth (b. 1527)
4. Edward (b. 1528)
5. Cecily (b. 1529)
6. Jacquetta (b. 1530)
Works for me though whwre would the Jacquetta come from?
 
Anna Vasa (daughter of Johann III of Sweden, sister of Sigismund) agrees to marry Johann Georg Hohenzollern, Duke of Krnov/Jägerndorf

Anna Vasa (1568-1625) m. John George (1577-1624) Duke of Jägerndorf

1) John Sigismund (1602-1605)

2) Joachim George (1604-1642) Duke of Jägerndorf, m. Louise Charlotte of Brandenburg (1617-1676)

3) Anna Catherine (1607-1628)

4) Hedwig Sibylle (1610-1662) m. George III (1611-1664) Duke of Brieg and Liegnitz

1) John George (1631-1668) Duke of Liegnitz, m. Louise of Anhalt-Dessau (1631-1680)​
2) Sigismund (1633)​
3) Anna Sophia (1637-1645)​
4) Louis II (1641-1700) King of Poland 1672* m. Eleanor of Austria (1653-1697)​
* If sons of Sigismund III die without legitimate issue like IOTL then descendants of their aunt would be seen as their obvious successors. John Casimir would not try to arrange election of Duke of Condee and thus likely rules until his death in 1672. Thus, after more than 400 years, Piasts are back on the throne of Poland.


Inspired by my recent conversation with @Kellan Sullivan
 
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That if Philip married Joanna at all, something who I find pretty unlikely as he was engaged to Anne of York and will likely marry her in this scenario
Why will he wed Anne of York? She brings barely any dowry compared to Joanna. Also Joanna is Ferdinand and Isabella's heiress while Anne will inherit nothing
 
Why will he wed Anne of York? She brings barely any dowry compared to Joanna. Also Joanna is Ferdinand and Isabella's heiress while Anne will inherit nothing
Because he would be already married to Anne, to which he was engaged before Richard III‘s takeover, when the OTL arrangement between Maximilian and the Catholic Monarchs was made. Also Joanna WAS NOT the heiress of her parents at the time of the marriage and NOBODY expected who she would inherit, else she would be married in Portugal and Maria offered for Philip.
 
Because he would be already married to Anne, to which he was engaged before Richard III‘s takeover, when the OTL arrangement between Maximilian and the Catholic Monarchs was made. Also Joanna WAS NOT the heiress of her parents at the time of the marriage and NOBODY expected who she would inherit, else she would be married in Portugal and Maria offered for Philip.
If Joanna was expected to inherit, why would she go to Portugal??? She can't rule from there
 
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