List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage

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isabella

सार्थक (Sārthākā) said:
1. Henry VII of England (1457 - 1521) m. Elizabeth of York (1466 - 1513) m. 1485
a. Arthur I of England (1487 - 1552) m. Margaret of Scotland (1486 - 1543)​
b. Christiana of England (1488 - 1561) m. Christian II of Denmark (1481 - 1559)​
c. Owen Tudor, Duke of Powys (1491 - 1567) m. Mary FitzGerald (1493 - 1555)​
d. Henry Duke of York (1496 - 1562) m. Anna von Oldenburg (1501 - 1576​
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Nice tree, but for me Owen and Christiana are pretty unlikely names for Henry VII’s children…
Edward, Edmund and Henry would be all used before Owen and I think who if Henry VII choose to use a Welsh name for one of his sons that would be Jasper not Owen
 
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kasumigenx

Charles the Bold m. Isabella of Bourbon(b) Margaret of York(c)
1b. Mary of Burgundy b. 1457 m. Maximilian I b. 1459(a)
1a. Eleanor of Austria b. 1478
2a. Margaret b. 1480
3a. Frederick b. 1481
2c. Philip IV of Burgundy/Philip VII of France b. 1477 m. Anne of York(a)
2c?a. Charles IX of France b. 1500 m. Claude of France b. 1499
 
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The Undead Martyr

Why sigismund? Openly carrying favor with the emperor isn't too obvious a boon, especially when the emperor is weak and locked in a succession dispute with his relations.
 
Sarthak

Sarthak

सार्थक (Sārthākā) said:
1. Henry VII of England (1457 - 1521) m. Elizabeth of York (1466 - 1513) m. 1485
a. Arthur I of England (1487 - 1552) m. Margaret of Scotland (1486 - 1543)​
b. Christiana of England (1488 - 1561) m. Christian II of Denmark (1481 - 1559)​
c. Owen Tudor, Duke of Powys (1491 - 1567) m. Mary FitzGerald (1493 - 1555)​
d. Henry Duke of York (1496 - 1562) m. Anna von Oldenburg (1501 - 1576​
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The House of Tudor (1485 - 1667)​

1. Henry VII of England (1457 - 1521) m. Elizabeth of York (1466 - 1513)
a. Arthur I of England (1487 - 1552) m. Margaret of Scotland (1486 - 1543)​
b. Mary of England (1488 - 1561) m. Christian II of Denmark (1481 - 1559)​
c. Jasper Tudor, Duke of Powys (1491 - 1567) m. Mary FitzGerald (1493 - 1555)​
d. Edmund, Duke of York (1496 - 1562) m. Anna von Oldenburg (1501 - 1576)​
2. Arthur I of England (1487 - 1552) m. Margaret of Scotland (1486 - 1543)
a. Henry, Prince of Wales (1508 - 1529)​
b. Jasper I of England (1509 - 1579) m. Sophie of Mecklenburg (1508 - 1562)​
c. Matilda of England (1513 - 1568) m. Johann Frederick I of Saxony (1503 - 1558)​
3. Jasper I of England and Scotland (1509 - 1579) m. Sophia of Mecklenburg (1508 - 1562)
a. Anne of England (1529 - 1584) m. Eric XIV of Sweden (1533 - 1594) ​
b. Jasper II (1532 - 1591) m. Beatrice of Portugal (1530 - 1597)​
c. Edward Tudor, Duke of Lennox (1534 - 1588) m. Catherine Jagiellon (1528 - 1586)​
d. Catherine of England (1537 - 1598) m. William IV of Hesse (1532 - 1593)​
e. Owen Tudor, Duke of Ulster (1539 - 1603) m. Eleonor O'Neil (1540 - 1611)​
4. Jasper II of Albion (1532 - 1591) m. Beatrice of Portugal (1530 - 1597)
a. Elizabeth of Albion (1553 - 1624) m. Henry III of France (1551 - 1599)​
b. Charlotte of Albion (1556 - 1621) m. Phillip William of Orange (1554 - 1618)​
c. Mary of Albion (1558 - 1612) m. George Howard, 5th Duke of Norfolk (1559 - 1615)​
d. Arthur II of Albion (1560 - 1620) m. Catherine Hastings (1563 - 1638)​
e. Sophia of Albion (1564 - 1640) m. Rhys ap Gwynfor, 5th Duke of Monmouth​
5. Arthur II of Albion (1560 - 1620) m. Catherine Hastings (1563 - 1638)
a. Arthur, Prince of Wales (1590 - 1607) ​
b. Guinevere I of Albion (1594 - 1667) m. Prince Gustav, Duke of Värmland (1593 - 1661)​
c. Joan of Albion (1597 - 1664) m. Archibald Campbell, 1st Duke of Argyll (1595 - 1648)​
6. Guinevere I of Albion (1594 - 1667) m. Prince Gustav, Duke of Värmland (1593 - 1661)
a. Jasper III of Albion (1618 - 1683) m. Marie of Brandenburg (1615 - 1671)​
b. Arthur III of Albion (1622 - 1691) m. Louise of Denmark (1621 - 1682) ​
c. Elizabeth of Albion (1629 - 1698) m. Anders I of Norway (1631 - 1687)​
House of Vasa-Tudor (1667 - present)
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isabella

WIP as always (and another version of my last post)
POD: Elizabeth Woodville died for a miscarriage in 1475 and Edward IV remarried to Louis XI’s niece Anne of Savoy


Edward IV, King of England (1442–1484) married a) Elizabeth Woodville (1440-1475) in 1464, b) Anne of Savoy (b. 1455) in 1476
  1. a) Elizabeth (b.1466) married Maximilian I, Holy Roman Emperor (b.1459) in 1484
  2. a) Mary (1467-1482)
  3. a) Cecily (1469-1484)
  4. a) Edward V, King of England (b.1470) married Joanna of Aragon (b.1479) in 1493
  5. a) Margaret of York (1472)
  6. a) Richard, Duke of York and Norfolk (b.1473) married Anne de Mowbray, Countess of Norfolk (b.1472) in 1478
  7. a) miscarriage (1475)
  8. b) Edmund, Duke of Rutland (b.1476) married Anne, Duchess of Brittany (b.1477) in 1490
  9. b) Anne (b.1477) married John, Prince of the Asturias (1478-1498) in 1493
  10. b) George, Duke of Bedford (1479)
  11. b) Catherine (b. 1480) married Philip II, Holy Roman Emperor (b.1478) in 1495
  12. b) John, Duke of Bedford (b.1482) married ?
  13. b) William, Duke of Ulster (b.1483) married ?
  14. b) Charlotte (b. 1484) married James IV, King of Scotland (b.1473)
 

Kellan Sullivan

Probably ASB, but who knows:

Wilhelm II, King of Württemberg (1848-1921) m: 1881 Beatrice of the United Kingdom[1] (1857-1944)

Karl Christoph Albrecht, Crown Prince of Württemberg (1882-1928) m: 1900 Alexandrine of Hannover[2] (1882-1914)
Viktoria Adelheid Alexandrine (b.1904)​
Maria Luise Karoline (1905-1905)​
Karl Wilhelm Ernst (1908-1918[3])​
Ludwig Albrecht Wilhelm, Prince of Württemberg (b.1909)​
Elisabeth Wilhelmine Auguste (b.1912)​
Wilhelm Georg Eduard (b.1914)​
Wilhelm Friedrich Ludwig (b.1885) m: 1903 Wilhelmina, Queen of the Netherlands[4] (b.1881)
Lodewijk[5] Willem Victor, Prince of Orange (b.1906)​
Juliana (b.1909)​
Maria Katharina Elisabeth (b.1888)
Viktoria Maria Beatrix[6] (b.1888)
Friedrich Albrecht Paul[7] (1891-1919)

[1] His mom, and aunt, the queen of the Netherlands were both pushing for this match OTL. Of course Victoria never gave her approval, but here, for some reason, she agrees to it. Wilhelm II gets a far happier second marriage than OTL
[2] Daughter of Thyra and Ernst August of Hannover.
[3] died of polio
[4] Not as crazy a match as might be thought. Twice a British match was proposed for Wilhelmina (once with one of Queen Mary (of Teck)’s brothers and again with another of Victoria’s “domesticated” royals). Neither found favour at the Dutch court due to the gentleman’s low standing (Teck was a morganatic branch and think the other might have been a Battenberg).
[5] OTL Wilhelmina wanted to name Juliana after the nephew of William the Silent, Ludwig of Nassau “Us Heit” because she [Wilhelmina] felt that there had been enough Williams in the family.
[6] Twin of Katharina
[7] hemophiliac

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HortenseMancini

HortenseMancini

Kellan Sullivan said:
Probably ASB, but who knows:

Wilhelm II, King of Württemberg (1848-1921) m: 1881 Beatrice of the United Kingdom[1] (1857-1944)

Karl Christoph Albrecht, Crown Prince of Württemberg (1882-1928) m: 1900 Alexandrine of Hannover[2] (1882-1914)
Viktoria Adelheid Alexandrine (b.1904)​
Maria Luise Karoline (1905-1905)​
Karl Wilhelm Ernst (1908-1910[3])​
Ludwig Albrecht Wilhelm, Prince of Württemberg (b.1909)​
Elisabeth Wilhelmine Auguste (b.1912)​
Wilhelm Georg Eduard (b.1914)​
Wilhelm Friedrich Ludwig (b.1885) m: 1903 Wilhelmina, Queen of the Netherlands[4] (b.1881)
Lodewijk[5] Willem Victor, Prince of Orange (b.1906)​
Juliana (b.1909)​
Maria Katharina Elisabeth (b.1888)
Viktoria Maria Beatrix[6] (b.1888)
Friedrich Albrecht Paul[7] (1891-1919)

[1] His mom, and aunt, the queen of the Netherlands were both pushing for this match OTL. Of course Victoria never gave her approval, but here, for some reason, she agrees to it. Wilhelm II gets a far happier second marriage than OTL
[2] Daughter of Thyra and Ernst August of Hannover.
[3] haemophiliac
[4] Not as crazy a match as might be thought. Twice a British match was proposed for Wilhelmina (once with one of Queen Mary (of Teck)’s brothers and again with another of Victoria’s “domesticated” royals). Neither found favour at the Dutch court due to the gentleman’s low standing (Teck was a morganatic branch and think the other might have been a Battenberg).
[5] OTL Wilhelmina wanted to name Juliana after the nephew of William the Silent, Ludwig of Nassau “Us Heit” because she [Wilhelmina] felt that there had been enough Williams in the family.
[6] Twin of Katharina
[7] hemophiliac

@VVD0D95 @CaptainShadow @Awkwardvulture @FalconHonour @isabella @QueenMaud @Peppe
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Wait, I’m confused, how did a non-haemophiliac man produce a haemophiliac son?
 

lionjedi1215

Revolutionary Kingdom of America:
Alexander Hamilton I (1804-1877) {Died of Old Age}
Phillip Hamilton (1877-1901) {Died in a Car Crash}
Alexander Hamilton II (1901-1933) {Died of Old Age}
Edward Hamilton (1933-1934) {Abdicated}
Freidrich Hamilton (1934-1956) {Died of Old Age}
Robert Hamilton I (1956-1987) {Died of Old Age}
Robert Hamilton II (1987-2020) {Died from COVID-19}
Alexander Hamilton III (2020-)
() - Years of their reign, {} - How their reign ended
 

Victoria

HortenseMancini said:
Wait, I’m confused, how did a non-haemophiliac man produce a haemophiliac son?
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Isn't haemophilia transmitted through women? A lot of Queen Victoria's haemophiliac descendants got it from their mother. And off the top of my head, Alfonso XIII of Spain was a non-haemophiliac man with haemophiliac sons.
 
HortenseMancini

HortenseMancini

Victoria said:
Isn't haemophilia transmitted through women? A lot of Queen Victoria's haemophiliac descendants got it from their mother. And off the top of my head, Alfonso XIII of Spain was a non-haemophiliac man with haemophiliac sons.
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haemophilia is transmitted through women, but a haemophiliac man (who inherited the gene from his mother) can pass the gene on to his daughters. A non-haemophiliac man, however, cannot pass the gene on. And yes, there are plenty of non-haemophiliac men with haemophiliac sons but that’s because the mothers of those sons were carriers - Alfonso XIII’s wife was a female-line granddaughter of Queen Victoria, who originated the gene for haemophilia in her descendants. She inherited the gene from her mother, who inherited it from Queen Victoria, and then passed it to her sons, who were also Alfonso XIII’s sons.
 

isabella

Victoria said:
Isn't haemophilia transmitted through women? A lot of Queen Victoria's haemophiliac descendants got it from their mother. And off the top of my head, Alfonso XIII of Spain was a non-haemophiliac man with haemophiliac sons.
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The point is who the carrier is Beatrice of United Kingdom who can not transmit it to a male-line grandson, whatever her son is haemophiliac or not. Alexandrine of Hannover, who is not a descendant of Victoria, is not a carrier and she was the only one able to transmit the disease to her sons
 

Kellan Sullivan

Another not-so-quasi ASB idea:

Napoléon III, Emperor of the French [from 1852] (b.1808) m: 1855[1] Adelheid of Hohelohe-Langenburg (b.1835)

Victoire Adélaïde (b.1856)​
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Napoléon Louis, Prince Imperial (b.1859)​
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Marie Josèphine Théodorée (b.1861)​
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Hortense Louise (b.1863)​
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Charles Napoléon (b.1866)​

[1] POD is that Napoléon either doesn’t meet Eugenie de Montijo or he decides she’s not worth it.

As to the probability of the match, while nobody in the extended Coburg network (Victoria, Albert, Leopold of Belgium or Feodore of Leiningen, Adelheid’s mother) was in favour of the match, the comte de Morny was en route to make the official suit when word arrived from Napoléon III to “desist”. Feodore had written to Victoria only days before that “Oh! If we could but only say “No!” at once…” The truth was that the match could not be refused without giving offense.

@isabella @HortenseMancini @Awkwardvulture @VVD0D95 @CaptainShadow @Valena @Carolus @Victoria @Jan Olbracht @TheBeanieBaron @History thinker @Basileus_Komnenos
 

VVD0D95

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Kellan Sullivan said:
Another not-so-quasi ASB idea:

Napoléon III, Emperor of the French [from 1852] (b.1808) m: 1855[1] Adelheid of Hohelohe-Langenburg (b.1835)

Victoire Adélaïde (b.1856)​
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Napoléon Louis, Prince Imperial (b.1859)​
​
Marie Josèphine Théodorée (b.1861)​
​
Hortense Louise (b.1863)​
​
Charles Napoléon (b.1866)​

[1] POD is that Napoléon either doesn’t meet Eugenie de Montijo or he decides she’s not worth it.

As to the probability of the match, while nobody in the extended Coburg network (Victoria, Albert, Leopold of Belgium or Feodore of Leiningen, Adelheid’s mother) was in favour of the match, the comte de Morny was en route to make the official suit when word arrived from Napoléon III to “desist”. Feodore had written to Victoria only days before that “Oh! If we could but only say “No!” at once…” The truth was that the match could not be refused without giving offense.

@isabella @HortenseMancini @Awkwardvulture @VVD0D95 @CaptainShadow @Valena @Carolus @Victoria @Jan Olbracht @TheBeanieBaron @History thinker @Basileus_Komnenos
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I’d be fascinated to see the dynamics of that court
 
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