List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage

Fair point. The ins and outs of Breton politics aren't something I know about. I just knew Conan had asked Henry for help putting down a rebellion and that he'd then been forced to cede Constance to English custody so she could marry Geoffrey. I suppose Constance's brother could just die childless after she marries William ITTL?
Yes, he could, after all we don't know what would have happened to him OTL if he'd been allowed to succeed his father. All we know about him is that he still lived in 1199/1201 but if he doesn't enter the Church he can die earlier, killed in battle for instance.
 
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Inspired by the 'Eleanor of Aquitaine has sons by Louis' thread:

Henry II (b.1133) m. 1153 Marie of Blois (b.1136)
  • Henry III of England (b.1154) m. 1168 Alix of France (b.1150)
  • Matilda (b. 1156) m. 1168, Henry the Lion, Duke of Saxony (b.1131)
  • Miscarriage (1157)
  • William, Duke of Brittany and Count of Anjou and Boulogne (b.1159) m. 1177 Constance of Brittany (b. 1161)
  • Marie (1161-1166)
  • Joanna (b.1162) m. 1174 William the Lion, King of Scots (b.1142)
  • Geoffrey (1165-1167)
  • Robert, Earl of Pembroke and Striguil (b.1168) m.1188 Isabelle de Clare, Countess of Pembroke and Striguil (b.1172)
@Ivan Lupo @ordinarylittleme
In the same world:

Eleanor, Duchess of Aquitaine (b.1122) m.1137 Louis VII of France (b.1120)
  • Marie (b.1145) m.1162 Stephen III of Hungary (b.1147)
  • Phillip II of France (b.1147) m.1160 Margaret I of Flanders (b.1145)
  • Alix (b.1150) m 1168 Henry III of England (b.1154)
  • Raymond III, Duke of Aquitaine (b.1154) m 1170 Sancha of Castile (b.1155)
Also in the same world:

William Marshal, 3rd Earl of Gloucester (b.1146) m.1189 Isabella, Countess of Gloucester (b.1173)
  • Isabel Marshal (b.1191)
  • Miscarriage (1192)
  • William, 4th Earl of Gloucester (b.1194)
  • Miscarriage (1195)
  • Stillborn son (1197)
  • Sybilla Marshal (b. 1198)
  • Henry Marshal (b.1201)
  • Stillborn daughter (b.1203)
  • John Marshal (b.1205)
 
Catherine of Aragon as Anne Boleyn's mother-in-law, inspired by the thread about CoA and Arthur having a son who falls in love with Anne Boleyn.

Henry VII of England (1457-1511) m. Elizabeth of York (1466-1522)
  1. Arthur, Prince of Wales (1486-1502) m. Catherine of Aragon (1485-1539)
    1. Henry VIII of England (1502-1568) m. A) Beatrice of Portugal (1504-1527), B) Anne Boleyn (1507-1571)
      1. A) Catherine (1521-1579) m. Ferdinand VII of Spain (1520-1582) [1]
      2. A) Arthur I of England (1523-1585) m. Margaret of Austria (1526-1574) [2]
      3. A) Henry (1524)
      4. A) Mary (1526-1627)
      5. A) John, Duke of Somerset (1527-1566) m. Matilda of Bavaria (1532-1565)
      6. B) George, Duke of Richmond (1530-1599) m. Mary Percy, Countess of Northumberland (1529-1588) [3]
      7. B) Stillborn daughter (1531)
      8. B) Edward, Duke of Pembroke (1533-1548)
      9. B) Elizabeth (1534-1605) m. Ernest, Duke of Burgundy (1532-1591) [2]
      10. B) Margaret (1535-1536)
      11. B) Stillborn son (1537)
      12. B) Cecily (1538-1601) m. Alexander IV of Scotland (1535-1609)
      13. B) Philippa (1540-1593) m. Francis II of France (1541-1559) [4]
      14. B) Thomas, Duke of Bedford (1542-1610) m. Jane Willoughby, Baroness Willoughby de Eresby (1545-1604) [5]
  2. Margaret (1489-1541) m. James IV of Scotland (1473-1526)
    1. James, Duke of Rothesay (1507-1508)
    2. Margaret (1508-1537) m. Christian III of Denmark (1503-1559)
      1. Frederick II of Denmark (1525-1582) m. Anna of Mecklenburg (1533–1602)
      2. Dorothea (1528-1529)
      3. Margaret (1530-1591) m. Augustus, Elector of Saxony (1526-1586)
      4. Stillborn son (1534)
      5. Magnus, Duke of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg (1537-1599) m. Maria of Poland (1540-1606)
    3. Arthur, Duke of Rothesay (1509-1510)
    4. James V of Scotland (1512-1540) m. Eleanor of Aragon (1509-1561) [6]
      1. Margaret (1529)
      2. James, Duke of Rothesay (1531-1532)
      3. Stillborn daughter (1532)
      4. Robert, Duke of Rothesay (1534-1537)
      5. Alexander IV of Scotland (1535-1609) m. Cecily Tudor (1538-1601)
      6. Eleanor (1537-1602) m. James Hamilton, Earl of Arran (1537-1609)
      7. Stillborn son (1539)
    5. Unnamed daughter (1512)
    6. Alexander, Duke of Ross (1514-1515)
    7. Stillborn son (1516)
    8. Elizabeth (1518)
    9. Agnes (1520-1573) m. Henry II of France (1519-1565)
      1. Stillborn daughter (1540)
      2. Francis (1542-1556)
      3. Elisabeth (1544-1600) m. Henry III of Navarre (1537-1591)
      4. Claude (1546-1605) m. Charles III, Duke of Lorraine (1543-1608)
      5. Stillborn son (1547)
      6. Margaret (1550-1578) m. Władysław IV of Poland (1546-1594)
      7. Henry III of France (1552-1590) m. Anne of France (1558-1615) [7]
      8. Madeleine (1555-1612) nun
    10. Robert, Duke of Ross (1521-1527)
  3. Henry, Duke of York (1491-1547) m. Madeleine de la Tour d'Auvergne (1498-1552)
    1. Henry (1515-1519)
    2. Stillborn son (1516)
    3. Mary (1518-1564) m. Henry II of Navarre (1502-1555) [8]
      1. Henry III of Navarre (1537-1591) m. Elisabeth of France (1544-1600)
      2. Stillborn son (1539)
      3. Madeleine (1542-1597) m. François de Bourbon, Duke of Montpensier (1542-1592)
      4. Catherine (1542)
    4. Edward, Duke of York (1523-1551) m. Catherine Howard (1523-1586)
      1. Henry (1542-1543)
      2. Mary, Countess of Auvergne (1544-1602) m. William, Duke of York (1546-1593) [9]
      3. Anne (1547-1595) m. Thomas Howard, Duke of Norfolk (1536-1581)
      4. Beatrice (1549-1596) m. George Boleyn, Earl of Wiltshire (1550-1613) [10]
  4. Elizabeth (1492-1495)
  5. Mary (1496-1521) m. Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor (1500-1558)
    1. Stillborn son (1516)
    2. Philip (1518-1522)
    3. Joanna (1521-1579) m. Sigismund II of Poland (1519-1586) [11]
      1. Maria (1540-1606) m. Magnus, Duke of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg (1537-1599)
      2. Sigismund (1541-1544)
      3. Eleanor (1543)
      4. Władysław IV of Poland (1546-1594) m. A) Margaret of France (1550-1578), B) Louise of Austria (1562-1619) [12]
      5. Hedwig (1548-1553)
      6. Sophia (1552-1610) m. Albert Frederick, Duke of Prussia (1553-1618)
      7. Stillborn son (1555)
  6. Edmund, Duke of Somerset (1498-1500)
[1] Son of Ferdinand of Austria, who ITTL is accepted as heir to Castille and Aragon and becomes Ferdinand VI of Spain, and Isabella of Portugal.
[2] Children of Charles V and his second wife, Anne of Bohemia and Hungary.
[3] Daughter of Henry Percy and Mary Talbot.
[4] Son of Francis III of Brittany, who lives longer but not long enough to succeed his father in the French throne, and a daughter of Ferdinand VI and Isabella of Portugal.
[5] Daughter of an ATL son of William Willoughby and Maria de Salinas.
[6] Daughter of Ferdinand II of Aragon and Germaine of Foix.
[7] Only child of Francis II of France and Philippa Tudor.
[8] Margaret of Angoulême dies in 1533 ITTL, so Henry II remarries.
[9] Second son of Arthur I and Margaret of Austria.
[10] Grandson of George Boleyn and Jane Parker.
[11] Son of Sigismund the Old and Eleanor of Austria.
[12] Daughter of Maximilian II, Holy Roman Emperor (eldest son of Charles V and Anne of Bohemia and Hungary) and Margaret of France.
 
Frederick III of HRE m. Eleanor of Portugal(a)
1a. Christoph I of HRE b. 1455 m. Margaret, Countess of Luxembourg(a)
1a1a. Eleanor b. June 2, 1476 m. John Albert of Poland
2a1a. Vladislav II(Ladislaus) of Bohemia b. May 10, 1482 m. Margaret of Alsace b. 1480
3a1a. Margaret b. December 2, 1484
4a1a. Sigismund b. June 2, 1490
2a. Edward, Archduke of Austria, Duke of Further Austria and Landgrave of Upper Alsace b. 1459 m. Mary of Burgundy d. 1482(a) Bianca Sforza(b)
2a1a. Ernst of Alsace b. 1478 d. 1508 m. Anne of York(no surviving issue)
3a1a. Margaret of Alsace b. 1480 m. Vladislav II of Bohemia
3a. Helena of Austria m. Adolf of Cleves
4a. Kunigunde b. 1465 m. Edward V
6a. John b. 1466, priest
 
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Henry VIII of England (b.1491: d.1536) m Catherine of Aragon (b.1485: d.1536)

Issue:

Elizabeth Tudor (b.1510)

Henry IX of England (b.1511)

Edward, Duke of York (b.1513)

Edmund, Duke of Somerset (b.1514)

Mary Tudor (b.1516)
 

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Arthur I of England and Ireland (b.1486: d.1537) m Catherine of Aragon (b.1485: d.1536)

Issue:

Henry Tudor (b.1503: d.1505)

Elizabeth Tudor (b.1504)

Edmund I of England and Ireland (b.1506)

stillborn son (b,1508: d,1508)

Margaret Tudor (b.1510)

Arthur Tudor, Duke of Somerset (b.1512)

Catherine Tudor (b.1515)

Edward Tudor, Duke of Bedford (b.1518)
 

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Henry VIII of England (b.1491: d.1536) m Catherine of Aragon (b.1485: d.1536)

Issue:

Elizabeth Tudor (b.1510)

Henry IX of England (b.1511)

Edward, Duke of York (b.1513)

Edmund, Duke of Somerset (b.1514)

Mary Tudor (b.1516)
Arthur I of England and Ireland (b.1486: d.1537) m Catherine of Aragon (b.1485: d.1536)

Issue:

Henry Tudor (b.1503: d.1505)

Elizabeth Tudor (b.1504)

Edmund I of England and Ireland (b.1506)

stillborn son (b,1508: d,1508)

Margaret Tudor (b.1510)

Arthur Tudor, Duke of Somerset (b.1512)

Catherine Tudor (b.1515)

Edward Tudor, Duke of Bedford (b.1518)
Do I see two potential Tudor TLs coming from you in the making? 👀
 

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POD: Edward Count of Angouleme doesn't die.

Edward IV of England (b.1330: d.1379) m Joan of Kent (b.1326: d.1385)

Issue:

Edward V of England (b.1365)

Richard, Duke of Gwenydd (b.1367)
 
Victory of Hastings~

Kingdom ofÆngland

King Harold II "The Defender" Godwinson (1022-1076)

- After his victory at Hastings, Harold took pity on his old friend, and forced him to renounce his claims for all eternity on England, and to return to France. After which Duke William did, turning back to Normandy. the two never spoke again. After his return to England he learned that Edgar Ætheling had been crowned King of England after a false letter had been delivered to the Witenagemot of his passing. With the Witenagemot refusing to rescind the passing of the title to Edgar, and Edgar himself attempting to kill Harold, King Harold II disbanded the Witenagemot, and declared that the title of King of the English shall pass to the first born son. He died in the year 1076, by a bear that killed both he and his son Godwin.

King Edmund III "The Golden" Haroldson (1053-1123)

- After the death of Harold and Godwin, many believed Edmund to be an unsteady and ruler. This, as it would turn would be rather false. After the Cornwall Rebellion, and the Massacre at Cornwall, few would doubt his rule, but afterwards he would conqueror the entire Island. This would, as it turns out, not be the only thing that he would excel in. Edmund was a master of coin, able to grow a massive merchant fleet. He would turn the Kingdom ofÆngland into one of the most powerful kingdoms of Europe. He would die of cancer in 1123.

King Dillan I "The Lawgiver" Edmundson (1098 -1191)

-Known for the implementation of the Reguis Verbum, he is known for completely restructuring England, dragging the Kingdom out of the Feudal ages, living insanely long, and having far too many children.

Norman Kingdom of France

William I "The Bastard" Normandie (1028-1089)

- After his humiliating defeat at Hastings, William would return to France a mockery. This would not stand as after the king, Philippe I would attempt to sieze the Ducky of Normandy in 1071. He would kill Philippe in the Battle of Évreux, and later storm Paris, claiming the mantle of King of France. This was disputed by the Dukes of Aquitaine and Toulouse, but after many bribes from Philippe's former treasury, they relented. In 1075 he would conqueror Brittany. He would commit suicide in 1089 after guilt from the passing of his wife and his son Richard, passing the title of King of France to William II The Red in a suicide note.

William II "The Red" Normandie (1056- 1109)

-After Williams death in 1089, William the Seconds rule would be rather blank. No wars would spring up other than a mild war over the county of Bar, that would last two months, but what did happen would be known as the Embarrassment at Rouen where he was caught with a male lover. He would die in a horsing accident.

Henri II of France ( 1068- 1145)

Henrys reign was called average, yet boring...
 
Wouldn't necessarily but the kind of regency otl Richard II was under. Richard was nine years old. Edward would be only a year or two away from being legally of age, so maybe it would be more of a Regency Council...
 
Philip II m. Maria Manuela m. 1543 d. 1544(a) Christina of Denmark(b)
1a. Infante Carlos b. 1544 d. 1569
2a. Cristina Eugenia b. 1545 -
3a. Philip III of Spain b. 1550 -
4a. Catalina Micaela of b. 1552 -

Lady Mary m. Francis II, Duke of Milan 1533 d. 1539(a) Francis I, Duke of Lorraine
1a. Catherine of Milan b. 1534 -
2b. Charles III, Duke of Lorraine b. 1543 -
3b. Jeanne of Lorraine b. 1544 -
4b. Marie of Lorraine b. 1545 -
 
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