List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage

The Queens take it all!

I know it’s very unlikely, not to say ASB but here it is :
Francis I of France is killed in Marignano in September 1515, leaving a young widow and a newborn daughter.

Butterflies:
The new King of France, Charles IX, gets an annulment from the Pope in 1522 and remarries Claude of France.
Little Elizabeth Tudor dies in 1534.
Catherine of Aragon lives another ten years.
Henry VIII dies in the January 1536 tournament and Anne Boleyn miscarries and dies the same month.

France

Claude of France
, Duchess of Brittany (1499-1540) m. a) Francis I, King of France (1494-1515) b) Charles IX, King of France (1485-1535)
1a) Louise of France, Duchess of Brittany (1515-1562)

England

Henry VIII Tudor
, King of England (1491-1536) m. a) Catherine of Aragon (1485-1546) b) Anne Boleyn (1501-1536) p. c) Elizabeth Blount (1500-1540)
1a) stillborn daughter (1510)
2a) Henry, Duke of Cornwall (1511)
3a) son (1513)
4a) son (1514)
5a) Mary I Tudor, Queen of England (1516-1558)
6a) stillborn daughter (1518)
7c) Henry FitzRoy, 1st Duke of Richmond and Somerset (1519-1536)
8b) Elizabeth Tudor (1533-1534)
9b) miscarriage (1534)
10b) miscarriage (1535)
11b) miscarriage (1536)

I'm unsure who Louise of France, Mary of England and even the repudiated Margaret of Angoulême would marry here.
Mary could marry James V of Scotland or an English nobleman here.
 
Or perhaps Infante Luis, Duque de Beja according to word of mouth on here.
I like the idea of a Mary & Luis match.
Mary could marry James V of Scotland or an English nobleman here.
Edward Courtenay was touted as possible suitor for her IOTL.
He’d probably be the most likely suitor, especially since his Father was friends with Henry VIII in OTL.
As her father's only legitimate child, I wonder if an English suitor would be good enough - unless he's in the line of succession of course. And I'm not sure Catherine would marry her daughter a friend of Henry's.
Maybe, it would have to happen during her reign, I can’t see Henry marrying Mary abroad.
Well, Henry's dying in January 1536 and Catherine survives here so Mary may end up with Luis.

Re James V, is a marriage to Louise of France plausible? Or maybe to Renée?
 
As her father's only legitimate child, I wonder if an English suitor would be good enough - unless he's in the line of succession of course. And I'm not sure Catherine would marry her daughter a friend of Henry's.

Courtenay had descent from Edward IV, so he was in line of succesion.

He’d probably be the most likely suitor, especially since his Father was friends with Henry VIII in OTL.

So we'll get king Edward VI iure uxoris or simple prince-consort?
 
As her father's only legitimate child, I wonder if an English suitor would be good enough - unless he's in the line of succession of course. And I'm not sure Catherine would marry her daughter a friend of Henry's.
Edward of Courtenay was likely in the succession thanks to his descend from Katherine of York.
Well, Henry's dying in January 1536 and Catherine survives here so Mary may end up with Luis.
Hmm true, Katherine would like to see Mary marry one of her nephews. The fact that Mary is 11 years older than Edward might also prevent the marriage from happening.
Re James V, is a marriage to Louise of France plausible? Or maybe to Renée?
Probably. There were negotiations for Renée to marry James in OTL IIRC.
So we'll get king Edward VI iure uxoris or simple prince-consort?
Probably jure uxoris.
 
Edward of Courtenay was likely in the succession thanks to his descend from Katherine of York.

Hmm true, Katherine would like to see Mary marry one of her nephews. The fact that Mary is 11 years older than Edward might also prevent the marriage from happening.

Probably. There were negotiations for Renée to marry James in OTL IIRC.

Probably jure uxoris.

OK, that's fair enough.
 
Edward of Courtenay was likely in the succession thanks to his descend from Katherine of York.
Hmm true, Katherine would like to see Mary marry one of her nephews. The fact that Mary is 11 years older than Edward might also prevent the marriage from happening.
True, though as you say, the age gap may be too important. But I can see Catherine of Aragon advising Mary to name Henry Courtenay to an important post thanks to his wife's faithfulness to her cause.
Probably. There were negotiations for Renée to marry James in OTL IIRC.
So we'd have the following tree:
France and Scotland

Louis XII
, King of France (1462-1515) m. a) Joan of France, Duchess of Berry (1464-1505) b) Anne, Duchess of Brittany (1477-1514) c) Mary Tudor (1496-1533)
1b) Claude of France, Duchess of Brittany (1499-1540) m. a) Francis I, King of France (1494-1515) b) Charles IX, King of France (1485-1535)
1a) Louise of France, Duchess of Brittany and Milan (1515-1562) m. Francesco II Sforza, Duke of Milan (1495-1535)​
2b) Renée of France, Queen of Scotland (1510-1574) m. James V, King of Scotland (1512-1565)
1a) James Stewart, Duke of Rothesay (1527-1530)​
2a) Alexander IV, King of Scotland (1529-1601)​
3a) Renée Stewart (1530-1569)​
4a) Anne Stewart (1531-1584)​
5a) stillborn daughter (1533)​
6a) James Stewart, Duke of Albany (1537-1587)​

England

Henry VIII Tudor
, King of England (1491-1536) m. a) Catherine of Aragon (1485-1546) b) Anne Boleyn (1501-1536) p. c) Elizabeth Blount (1500-1540)
1a) stillborn daughter (1510)
2a) Henry, Duke of Cornwall (1511)
3a) son (1513)
4a) son (1514)
5a) Mary I Tudor, Queen of England (1516-1558) m. Luis, Duke of Beja and King of England jure uxoris as Louis I (1506-1555)
1a) Henry, Prince of Wales (1538-1592)​
2a) Louis of England (1540-1578)​
3a) Mary of England (1543-1546)​
4a) Catherine of England (1547-1581)​
6a) stillborn daughter (1518)
7c) Henry FitzRoy, 1st Duke of Richmond and Somerset (1519-1536)
8b) Elizabeth Tudor (1533-1534)
9b) miscarriage (1534)
10b) miscarriage (1535)
11b) miscarriage (1536)
 
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A re-do of the my New Year Prince lived scenario

WIP as always…
POD: Henry, Duke of Cornwall, son of Henry VIII and Catherine of Aragon lived

Henry VIII, King of England (b. 1491) married a) Catherine of Aragon (1485-1536) in 1509 b) Maria of Viseu (b. 1521)
  1. a) Henry, Prince of Wales (1511-1537) married Margaret of Spain (1515-1538)*
  2. a) Mary (b. 1516) married Francis III, Duke of Brittany (1518-1536)
  3. b) Edward VI, King of England (b. 1538) married Elizabeth of France (b. 1545)
  4. b) Elizabeth (b. 1541) married Robert IV, King of Scotland (b. 1541)
  5. b) Eleanor (b. 1541) married married Charles I of Spain, King of Portugal (1545-1580)**
*elder daughter of Charles V and his ATL first wife Mary Tudor (1496-1524).
** he is our don Carlos, Prince of Asturias who here lived enough for becoming King of Portugal after his cousin Sebastian‘s death but not enough for succeeding to his father on the Spanish throne

NOTES
Henry VII here sealed his peace with France in 1513 with an engagement between his heir and Louis XII’ younger daughter meaning who the match between Charles V and Henry‘s sister Mary Tudor will go ahead as planned. The engagement between Henry and Renee will end after her father’s death and he will be engaged to her nieces Louise and Charlotte and after them to his cousin Margaret of Spain.
The proposed match between Eleanor of Austria and John of Portugal would still fail and she would marry his father as OTL, while John would later marry her youngest sister Catherine when Charles V remarried to Isabella of Portugal (at least for now)


I will try to add an Habsburg tree for this scenario soon, but the main changes from OTL are
  • Maximilian I‘s ATL wife being Maria of Spain, Duchess of Burgundy (b. 1524), younger daughter of Charles V and Mary Tudor, with Philip and Joanna as the only surviving children of Charles and Isabella.
  • Philip II remarriages (most likely to Margaret of France and Christina of Denmark)
 
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POD, a plague outbreak kills Cecily, Anne and Katherine of York in 1481, while Mary of York dies as per OTL. Then Elizabeth of York as well as Edward of Warwick die in 1489 (of course foul play is suspected in the latter's death), and Henry VII remarries to Margaret of Clarence, who he has children with. Henry's children with Margaret later claim the English throne and start a third phase of the Wars of the Roses in the 1510s and 1520s:

King Henry VII of England (1457-1509) M. a). Elizabeth of York (1466-1489), b). Margaret of Clarence (1473-1554), had issue

1a). King Arthur I of England “The Righteous” (1486-1546) M. Katherine of Aragon (1485-1555), had issue

1. Henry, Prince of Wales (1502-1523), never married​
2. John, Prince of Wales (1505-1526), never married​
3. Princess Elizabeth of England (1505-1559) M. Holy Roman Emperor Charles V (1500-1558)​
4. King Arthur II of England (1508-1569) M. Catherine of Austria (1507-1572)​
5. Princess Katherine of England (1511-1578) M. King James V of Scotland (1512-1567)​

2a). Princess Margaret Tudor of England (1489-1542) M. King James IV of Scotland (1473-1515) [1], had issue

1. King James V of Scotland (1512-1567) M. Princess Katherine of England (1511-1578)​
2. Prince Alexander, Duke of Rothesay (1514-1559) M. Lady Helen Stewart (1519-1564)​

3b). Prince Henry, Duke of York "The Black Pretender" (1491-1527) M. Marguerite of Angouleme (1492-1547), had issue

1. George, Earl of Clarence (1507-1527) M. Anne Boleyn (1507-1530) [2]​
2. Lady Margaret (1510-1567), became a Nun [3]​
3. Lord Henry of York (1512-1556), never married [4]​
4. Lady Elizabeth (1515-1534), became a Nun​

4b). Prince Edmund, Duke of Richmond "The Serpent" (1494-1519) [5], never married

5b). Princess Elizabeth of England (1496-1529) M. King Christian II of Denmark (1481-1558), had issue

1. King John III of Denmark (1512-1559) M. Sibylle of Cleves (1512-1554)​
2. Princess Christina of Denmark (1514-1575) M. John Frederick I, Elector of Saxony (1503-1554)​

6b). Prince Edward, Duke of Pembroke "The Loyal" (1498-1550) M. Elizabeth Grey, Viscountess Lisle (1505-1549), had issue

1. Jasper, Duke of Pembroke (1521-1553) M. Gertrude Manners (1525-1567)​
2. Henry, Earl of Gwynedd (1524-1549) M. Anne Talbot (1524-1598)​

...

[1] Dies in a battle during the third phase of the Wars of the Roses
[2] This phases' Elizabeth Woodville.
[3] Locked up in a convent following the Arthur I's victory.
[4] An analogue of Edward, Earl of Warwick.
[5] Dies early on in the second phase
 
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Bruh what? What's the lore behind the three Tudor Princelings, elaborate @RedKing.
Basically, Henry of York is a pretender who is quite cruel and kills a few people for unjust reasons, hence why he’s the Black Pretender. Prince Edmund gets his nickname for initially pretending to be loyal to Arthur when the war begins, but attempting to kill him when he stays at his castle. Edwards gets his nickname for just being the loyal brother, though is spied on and suspected of treason because of what his brothers did.
I'm getting A Song of Ice and Fire vibes with the bastard house Blackfyre over here...
Reading an short description of them, I can see a parallels between the two. Granted I know nothing about ASOIAF, so there could be more parallels that I am missing.
 
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A re-do of the my New Year Prince lived scenario

WIP as always…
POD: Henry, Duke of Cornwall, son of Henry VIII and Catherine of Aragon lived

Henry VIII, King of England (b. 1491) married a) Catherine of Aragon (1485-1536) in 1509 b) Maria of Viseu (b. 1521)
  1. a) Henry, Prince of Wales (1511-1537) married Margaret of Spain (1515-1538)*
  2. a) Mary (b. 1516) married Francis III, Duke of Brittany (1518-1536)
  3. b) Edward VI, King of England (b. 1538) married Elizabeth of France (b. 1545)
  4. b) Elizabeth (b. 1541) married Robert IV, King of Scotland (b. 1541)
  5. b) Eleanor (b. 1541) married married Charles I of Spain, King of Portugal (1545-1580)**
*elder daughter of Charles V and his ATL first wife Mary Tudor (1496-1524).
** he is our don Carlos, Prince of Asturias who here lived enough for becoming King of Portugal after his cousin Sebastian‘s death but not enough for succeeding to his father on the Spanish throne

NOTES
Henry VII here sealed his peace with France in 1513 with an engagement between his heir and Louis XII’ younger daughter meaning who the match between Charles V and Henry‘s sister Mary Tudor will go ahead as planned. The engagement between Henry and Renee will end after her father’s death and he will be engaged to her nieces Louise and Charlotte and after them to his cousin Margaret of Spain.
The proposed match between Eleanor of Austria and John of Portugal would still fail and she would marry his father as OTL, while John would later marry her youngest sister Catherine when Charles V remarried to Isabella of Portugal (at least for now)


I will try to add an Habsburg tree for this scenario soon, but the main changes from OTL are
  • Maximilian I‘s ATL wife being Maria of Spain, Duchess of Burgundy (b. 1524), younger daughter of Charles V and Mary Tudor, with Philip and Joanna as the only surviving children of Charles and Isabella.
  • Philip II remarriages (most likely to Margaret of France and Christina of Denmark)
Expanding and readjusting again the trees for the New Year Prince lives scenario


Henry VIII, King of England (b. 1491) married a) Catherine of Aragon (1485-1536) in 1509 b) Maria of Portugal (b. 1522) in 1537
  1. a) Henry, Prince of Wales (1511-1537) married Margaret of Spain (1516-1538) without surviving issues
  2. a) Mary (b. 1516) married Francis III, Duke of Brittany (1518-1536) in 1534 without surviving issues
  3. b) Edward VI, King of England (b. 1539) married a) Beatrice of Spain (1537-1559) in 1554 b) Elizabeth of France (b. 1545) in 1560
  4. b) Eleanor (b. 1541) married married Charles II, King of Spain (b. 1539)
  5. b) Elizabeth (b. 1541) married Robert IV, King of Scotland (b. 1542)*
*ATL son of James V and Christina of Denmark

Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor (b. 1500) married a) Mary Tudor of England (1496-1523) in 1514 and Isabella of Portugal (1503-1539) in 1524
  1. a) Margaret (1516-1538) married Henry, Prince of Wales (1511-1537) without surviving issues
  2. a) Mary (1518-1520)
  3. a) Philip II, King of Spain (b. 1520) married Eleanor of Portugal (b. 1520)
    1. Maria (b. 1538)
    2. Charles II, King of Spain (b. 1540) married Eleanor of England (b. 1541)
    3. Eleanor (1543-1550)
    4. Isabella (1544)
    5. John (b. 1546)
    6. Beatrice (b. 1548)
  4. a) Eleanor, Duchess of Burgundy (b. 1523) married a) Charles of France, Duke d’Orleans (1522-1542) in 1542 without issues b) Maximilian II, Holy Roman Emperor (b. 1527) in 1543
  5. b) Isabella (1526)
  6. b) stillborn daughter (1528)
  7. b) Joanna (b. 1530) married Manuel, Prince of Portugal (1529-1546) in 1545
    1. Sebastian I, King of Portugal (1546-1569)
  8. b) Ferdinand (1532)
  9. b) John (1535-1536)
  10. b) Beatrice (1537-1558) married Edward VI, King of England (b. 1539) in 1554
  11. b) stillborn son (1539)

John III of Portugal (b. 1502) married Eleanor of Austria (b. 1498) in 1517
  1. Eleanor (b. 1520) married Philip II, King of Spain (b. 1520)
  2. Maria (b. 1522) married Henry VIII, King of England (b. 1492)
  3. stillborn son (1523)
  4. Alfonso, Prince of Portugal (1525-1530)
  5. Isabella (1527-1531)
  6. John, Prince of Portugal (b. 1529) married Joanna of Spain (b. 1530)
  7. Beatrice (1531-1533)
NOTES
Henry VII here sealed his peace with France in 1513 with an engagement between his heir and Louis XII’ younger daughter meaning who the match between Charles V and Henry‘s sister Mary Tudor will go ahead as planned. The engagement between Henry and Renee will end after her father’s death and he will be engaged to her nieces Louise and Charlotte and after them to his cousin Margaret of Spain.

ATL Spain will be composed by Aragon, Castile and Portugal after Sebastian childless death

For the remaining siblings of Charles V is likely who Catherine will become Francis I‘s second wife after Pavia (likely without any surviving issue) while Ferdinand, Isabella and Mary of Austria will marry as OTL with the same issues.
The match between Eleanor of Spain and Charles d’Orleans is the consequence of a slightly earlier analogue of the OTL peace of Crepy, with the same consequences (I am not sure if here only Eleanor was offered or Charles choose her and Burgundy over Anna and Milan as the latter was only 14 years old). Here the wedding was celebrated at least by-proxy but possibly not consummated and Eleanor quickly remarried to her cousin Maximilian after being widowed when Charles died for doing something stupid (like his OTL death)
 
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In a world where the Rough Wooing was successful:

Edward VI (1537-1562) m. Mary, Queen of Scots (1542-1556) [1] (a) Dorothea of Denmark (b.1546)

1a Edward VII of England and II of Scotland (1556-1605) m 1575. Catherine of Navarre (1559-1604)

  • Margaret (b.1576)
  • Arthur, Duke of Cornwall and Rothesay (1577-1580)
  • Joanna (b.1579)
  • William I of Albion (b.1582) [2]
  • Annabella (1583-1584)
  • Edward, Duke of York and Ross (1586-1592)
  • Eleanor (1588-1596)
  • Miscarriage (1590)
2b. Katherine [3] (b.1562) m.1583 Maurice, Prince of Orange (b.1567) [4]
  • Frederick William (b.1586)
  • Juliana Katherine (b.1588)
  • Karl Maurice (b.1591)
  • Anna Luisa (b.1593)
  • Edward Henry (b.1594)
  • Charlotte Emilia (b.1597
[1] Edward doesn't catch measles in 1553, meaning he survives a few years longer here, but he still isn't strong. Fearing for the Anglo-Scottish union, he pushes Mary to consummate the marriage as soon as they can, leading to her death in childbirth with their son in 1556, at the age of fourteen.
[2] Edward VI doesn't manage to push through the union of the Crowns, because he dies too young, but his son doesn't have that problem, so the next King, William, is crowned as King of Albion.
[3] Named for Katherine Parr, of course. Who else? And yes, I know it's unusual for all the children to survive, but I was being so horrible to her brother that Katherine got a Hail Mary Pass here.
[4] May seem a bit of an odd match, but I was struggling to find a Protestant Prince of the right age, and I figured the Dutch would want Anglo-Scottish support against the Spanish.
 
2b. Katherine [3] (b.1562) m.1583 Maurice, Prince of Orange (b.1567) [4]
What about a Saxony match? Either the duke of Coburg? Or to her cousin, Christian of Saxony? After all, Katherine isn't an Anglo-Scottish princess, which means I could see the Scottish lairds being like "what's going on in Holland has nothing to do with us".

I know it's unusual for all the children to survive, but I was being so horrible to her brother that Katherine got a Hail Mary Pass here.
Horrible? He has three children who survive to adulthood, by a woman who OTL had no children, I'd say that's coming out ahead. While I don't think it's so unusual for Katherine-Maurits' kids to have such a high rate of survival. They'd be pretty much unrelated. I can't even think who the nearest common ancestor would be - just that it likely wouldn't be in the last hundred years or so.
 
What about a Saxony match? Either the duke of Coburg? Or to her cousin, Christian of Saxony? After all, Katherine isn't an Anglo-Scottish princess, which means I could see the Scottish lairds being like "what's going on in Holland has nothing to do with us".
I tried Saxony, but they seemed to be Catholic at the time... Or the wrong age. And I'm not sure she's not an Anglo-Scottish Princess, at least not as far as marriage alliances are concerned. She is the King of England and Scotland's only sibling, even if they are only half-siblings. She'd be a proxy, if nothing else.
Horrible? He has three children who survive to adulthood, by a woman who OTL had no children, I'd say that's coming out ahead.
Fair point. And one's a boy. Can't say fairer than that.
 
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