List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage

[Jan Olbracht]

Philip William of Neuburg has surviving son with his Vasa wife, meanwhile Edward of Palatinate also has a son, thus Neuburg line isn't going to inherit Electorate of Palatine, instead House of Wittelsbach-Neuburg gets Polish throne after death of John Casimir Vasa.

Anna Katarzyna Konstancja Waza (1619-1651) m. 1642 Philipp Wilhelm (1615-1690) Duke of Neuburg

1) Sigismund Wolfgang (1645-1693) King of Poland (as Zygmunt IV) 1672-1693 m. 1673 Eleonore of Austria (1653-1697)

1) Zygmunt V Kazimierz (1674-1736) King of Poland 1693-1736 m. 1695 Maria Josefa Klementine of Austria (1675-1725)​

2) Anna Eleonora (1676-1721) m. 1692 Maximilian Emanuel of Bavaria (1662-1723)​

3) Władysław Aleksander (1678-1684)​

4) Filip Ferdynand (1679-1732)​

5) Teresa Katarzyna (1682-1740) m. 1701 Friedrich VI of Palatinate​

Simmern line:

Eduard of Palatine-Simmern (1625-1663) m. 1645 Ann Gonzaga (1616-1684)

1) Friedrich VI (1647-1714) Elector of Palatinate 1685-1702 m. a) 1669 Hedwig of Palatinate-Sulzbach (1650-1681) b) Marie Sophie of Neuburg (1666-1699) c) 1701 Teresa Katarzyna of Poland (1682-1740)

1a) Eduard (1671-1673)​

2a) Anna Maria (1674)​

3b) Friedrich VII (1689-1744) Elector of Palatinate 1714-1744​

4b) Elisabeth Benedikta (1692-1753)​

5b) Karl (1694-1697)​

6c) Eleonore Theresa (1703-1748)
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2) Luise Marie (1648-1723) m. Henri Jules of Condé

3) Benedicta Henrietta (1652-1730) m. Johann Friedrich of Brunswick-Lüneburg

 

[Valena]

POD: Ivan Ivanovich Dmitriev-Mamonov (b.1724), son of Tsarevna Praskovia and General Ivan Dmitriev-Mamonov, survives his childhood illness and gets adopted by his aunt Anna Ioannovna as her heir. Which makes Elisabeth's coup more difficult, as the intended heir is a) adult male; b) Russian with a Rurikid blood, and not a baby born from two German parents.

1) Ivan VI of Russia (1724-1777) m. 1740 Sophie-Antoinette of Brunswick-Wolfenbuttel (Anna Feodorovna upon Orthodox conversion)

1a) Feodor IV of Russia (1741-1797) m. 1760 Maria Kuniginde of Saxony (1740-1826) (the marriage is arranged as a condition of Russian support for election of Frederick Christian of Saxony the King of Poland; the bride is known as Maria Feodorovna in Russia)

1) Ivan VII of Russia (1761-1815) m. 1777 Sophia Dorothea of Wurthemberg
2) Maria Feodorovna (1764-1770)
3) Alexander Feodorovich (1765-1825)​

2a) Ivan Ivanovich of Russia (1742-1748), died in childhood
3a) Anna Ioannovna (born and died 1743)
4a) Praskovia Ioannovna (1745-1819) m. 1765 Karl XIV of Sweden (1747-1810) (ATL son of OTL Peter III of Russia, TTL Karl XIII of Sweden, and Anna Amalia of Prussia)

1) Karl XV Peter of Sweden (1767-1825)
2) Eva Ulrika of Sweden* (1770-1830) m. 1791 George IV of Great Britain**
2) Ulrich of Sweden (1771-1780), Duke of Södermanland​

5a) Michael Ivanovich (1746-1798) m. 1768 Princess Elena Nikitichna Trubetskaya.

1) Ekaterina Mikhailovna (1769-1824)
2) Anna Mikhailovna (1770-1840)
3) Praskovia Mikhailovna (1772-1832)
4) Elena Mikhailovna (1775-1850)​

6a) Pyotr Ivanovich (1747-1749), died in childhood
7a) Ekaterina Ioannovna (born and died 1750)

Note:
* The name Eva is short of Parasceva, Latin version of the Princess' mother name, which is unlikely to be used.
** Maria Fitzherbert dies of pneumonia in 1790 TTL, leaving George more amenable for marriage.​

 

[isabella]

Again from a scenario suggested by someone else (in this case the inspiration was @Kellan Sullivan's "What if Mary Tudor became Queen of England in 1541?")
Massive Habsburg wank

Habsburg tree around 1560 (with some spoilers)


Karl V, Holy Roman Emperor (1500-1560), King of Spain and Duke of Burgundy marry a) Isabella of Portugal (1503-1539) in 1526 b) Mary Tudor, Queen of England (1516-1562) in 1542

1a) Felipe II, King of Spain (1527-?) married a) Maria Manuela of Portugal (1527-1545) in 1543 b) Christina of Denmark (1521-?) in 1547

1a) Carlos, Prince of Asturias (1545-?), later Carlos II King of Spain (Castile, Aragon and Portugal) married Elisabeth of Valois (1545-?) in 1560

1) miscarriage (1665)
2) Isabella II, Queen of Spain (1566-?) married Infante Ferdinand of Spain (1555-?)*
3) Felipe (1568-1572)
4) miscarried son (1571)
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2b) Juan (1549-?), cardinal
3b) Isabella Clara Eugenia (1552-?) married Ernest of Austria (1553-?)
4b) Ferdinand VI, King of Spain (1555-?) married Isabella II of Spain (1566-?)* ​

2a) Maria (1528-?), Queen of the Romans married Maximilian of Austria (1527-?) in 1548
3a) Ferdinand (1529-1530)
4a) stillborn son (1534)
5a) Juana (1535-?), Princess of Portugal married João Manuel, Prince of Portugal (1537-1554) in 1552
6a) Juan (1537-1538)
7a) miscarried son (1539)
8b) Henry IX Philip, King of England (1543-?) married Marie Stuart, Queen of Scotland (1542-?) in 1558
9b) Katherine Isabella (1545-?) married Francis II, King of France (1544-?) in 1562
10b) stillborn daughter (1548)
11b) Charles Edward, Duke of York (1550-?)​

Ferdinand I, Holy Roman Emperor (1503-1564), King of Hungary and Bohemia married Anna of Bohemia and Hungary (1503–1547) in 1521

1) Elisabeth (1526-1545) married Sigismund II Augustus, King of Poland
2) Maximilian II, King of the Romans (1527-?) married Maria of Spain (1528-?) in 1548

1) Anne of Austria (1549-1569) married Sigismund III of Poland in 1565
2) Ferdinand of Austria (1551-1552)
3) Rudolf of Austria (1552-1558)
4) Ernest of Austria (1553-?) married Isabella Clara Eugenia of Spain (1552-)
5) Elisabeth of Austria (1554-?)
6) Maria of Austria (1555-1556)
7) Matthias of Austria (1557-?)
8) stillborn son (1557)
9) Maximilian of Austria (1558-?), grandmaster of the Teutonic Order
10) Albert of Austria (1559-?), cardinal
11) Wenceslaus of Austria (1561-1578)
12) Frederick of Austria (1562-1563)
13) Maria of Austria (1564-1564)
14) Charles of Austria (1565-1566)
15) Margaret of Austria (1567-?), nun
16) Eleonore of Austria (1568-1580)
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3) Anna (1528-?) married Albert V, Duke of Bavaria (1528-?) in 1546
4) Ferdinand II, Archduke of Austria (1529-) married a) Isabella Jagiellon of Poland (1519-1548) in 1544 b) Elizabeth of England (1533-?) in 1550

1a) Sigismund III, King of Poland (1545-?) married a) Anne of Austria (1549-1569) in 1565

1a) Sigismund (1566-?)
2a) stillborn daughter (1567)
3a) miscarriage (1567)
4a) Ferdinand (1569-?)
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2a) Isabella Beatrice (1548-?) married Charles II, Archduke of Austria (1540-?) in 1564
3b) Maximilian (1552-?)
4b) Ferdinand (1555-?)
5b) Anna Elisabeth (1559-?)​

5) Maria (1531-?) married Wilhelm, Duke of Jülich-Cleves-Berg
6) Magdalena (1532-?), nun
7) Catherine (1533-?) married Francesco III, Duke of Mantua
8) Eleanor (1534-?) married William I, Duke of Mantua
9) Margaret (1536-?), nun
10) John (1538-1539)
11) Barbara (1539-?) married Alfonso II, Duke of Ferrara and Modena
12) Charles II, Archduke of Austria (1540-?) married Isabella Beatrice of Austria (1548-?) in 1564
13) Ursula (1541-1543)
14) Helena (1543-?), nun
15) Joanna (1547-?) married Francesco I de' Medici, Grand Duke of Tuscany​

Manuel I, King of Portugal (1469-1521) married a) Isabella of Aragon and Castile (1470-1498) in 1497 b) Maria of Aragon (1482-1517) in 1500 c) Eleanor of Austria (1498-?) in 1518

1a) Miguel da Paz, Prince of Portugal, Asturias and Girona (1498-1500)
2b) João III, King of Portugal (1502-1557) married Catalina of Austria (1507-?) in 1525

1) Afonso, Prince of Portugal (1526-1526)
2) Maria Manuela (1527-1545), Princess of Asturias married Felipe II of Spain (1527-?) in 1543
3) Isabel (1529)
4) Beatriz (1530)
5) Manuel, Prince of Portugal (1531-1537)
6) Filipe, Prince of Portugal (1533-1539)
7) Dinis (1535-1537)
8) João Manuel, Prince of Portugal (1537-1554) married Juana of Spain (1535-?) in 1552

1) Sebastian I, King of Portugal (1554-1568) engaged to Marguerite of Valois (1553-?)
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9) António (1539-1540)​

3b) Isabella (1503-1539), Holy Roman Empress and Queen of Spain married Karl V, Holy Roman Emperor (1500-?) in 1526
4b) Beatriz (1504-1538), Duchess of Savoy married Charles III, Duke of Savoy (1486-1553) in 1521

1) Adriano Giovanni Amadeo, Prince of Piedmont (1522-1523)
2) Ludovico, Prince of Piedmont (1523-1536)
3) Emanuele Filiberto, Duke of Savoy (1528-?) married Marguerite, Duchess of Berry (1523-?) in 1559

1) Carlo Emanuele, Prince of Piedmont (1562-)
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4) Caterina (1529-1536)
5) Maria (1530-1531)
6) Isabella (1532-1533)
7) Emanuele (1533)
8) Emanuele (1534)
9) Giovanni (1537-1538)​

5b) Luís, Duke of Beja (1506-1555)
6b) Fernando, Duke of Guarda (1507-1534) married Guiomar Coutinho (c.1507-1534)

1) Luísa (1531-1534)
2) stillborn son (1534)
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7b) Afonso (1509–1540), Cardinal
8b) Henrique (1512-) Cardinal
9b) Maria (1513)
10b) Duarte, Duke of Guimarães (1515-1540) married Isabella of Braganza (1514-?) in 1535

1) Maria of Guimarães (1538–1577), married Alessandro Farnese, Duke of Parma and Piacenza (1545-?) in 1565
2) Catarina of Guimarães (1540–?), Duchess of Braganza married John, 6th Duke of Braganza (1543-?) in 1563
3) Duarte II, 5th Duke of Guimarães (1541–?)
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11b) António (1516)
12c) Carlos (1520-1521)
13c) Maria, Duchess of Viseu (1521-?) married Charles III, Duke of Savoy (1486-1553) in 1547

1) Eleonora (1548-?) married Charles Maximilian of France, Duke of Orleans (1550-?) in 1564
2) Amedeo (1552-?)
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Henry VIII, King of England (1491-1541) married a) Catherine of Aragon (1485–1536) in 15 annulled 1533, b) Anne Boleyn (c.1501–1536) in 1533 c) Jane Seymour (c.1508-1537) in 1536 d) Anne of Cleves (c.1515–1557) in 1540 annulled 1540 e) Catherine Howard (c.1523–?) in 1540

1a) stillborn daughter (1510)
2a) Henry, Duke of Cornwall (1511-1511)
3a) stillborn son (1513)
4a) stillborn son (1515)
5a) Mary, Queen of England (1516-?), Holy Roman Empress and Duchess of Burgundy married Karl V, Holy Roman Emperor (1500-?), King of Spain and Duke of Burgundy in 1542
6a) miscarried daughter (1518)
7b) Elizabeth (1533-?) married Archduke Ferdinand of Austria (1529-?) in 1550
8b) miscarried son (1534)
9b) miscarried son (1536)
10b) Edward, Prince of Wales (1537-1541)
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Notes:
*Spain's numeration follow that of Castile. I am pretty sure who Ferdinand VI of Spain will be also called Ferdinand III in Aragon and Ferdinand II in Portugal. I ended giving only a surviving daughter to Carlos and Isabella and then marrying her to her half-uncle (under order of Felipe II) was quite natural... Plus another Isabella and Ferdinand on the Spanish throne? I was unable to resist...

** After the death of Sebastian few months before their wedding Marguerite will elope with Henry of Guise while her mother was defining the details of her engagement to the heir of Navarre... The chronicles reported who the King Francis' reaction to the news and the fury of his mother in reporting that was a prolonged laugh and this request: "Mother, please... Now you can stop to intrigue?"... In many suspected who the King had blessed the escape as he was against the Navarrese's match and liked Guise but feared his mother's reaction...
Francis II is born healthier and will live and reign many years and have children by Katherine, his sister Claude will be married to the Duke of Lorraine as OTL. Henry II died as OTL during the tournament for the wedding of Elisabeth to the Prince of Asturias but Catherine de'Medici here will never be in power as regent and instead will be remembered as the feared French "Queen of Intrigues" and for being the cause of her children's embarrasses and exasperation (King Francis II most cited quote was "You know my mother, there is little who I can do..."). In the end Francis exiled her in her lands of Auvergne and Boulogne in 1573...

I know who maybe I have put too many intermarriages here but really European royals were almost all kins and after inheriting Spain the Habsburg had developed a strong tendency to marry in the family so...

I have not thought too much to the children for both Francis II of France and Henry IX of England but I know who Henry IX' eldest son will be Charles II James, King of England, Scotland, Ireland and Duke of Burgundy and Lord of the Netherlands and he will be a good friend of his cousin Charles IX of France (who will marry his cousin Christine of Lorraine, only surviving daughter and heiress of Charles III and Claude of France)

As was asked why Sigismund of Austria and not Johan Vasa as king of Poland after Sigismund II:
Isabella of Poland died when her son was three and the boy was under Elizabeth’s supervision (who was a great supporter of her stepson as heir of Poland, as that would have made her sons as heirs of their father) starting from four years. Sigismund II here never married Catherine of Austria because Barbara Radzwill lived but they remained childless. When Sigismund was around ten year old, his stepmother sent him to his uncle in Poland as ward and the Sejm pretty much accepted him as heir (in OTL they were pretty desperate to have an heir from Sisgimund). Johan is only married to a Jagiellon princess while Sigismund is son and grandson of two Jagiellon princesses and was partially raised in Poland and his wedding to Archduchess Anne was arranged between Sigismund II and Maximilian II. So I do not think who Johan will have great chances against someone who is practically a Polish prince with just the wrong surname...

 

[isabella]

another tree (definitely still much work-in-progress). As usual question, comments and suggestions are welcome

Insipration from @VVD0D95's "What if Maximilian I had married Elizabeth of York as second wife between the deaths of Mary of Burgundy and Edward IV?"

Edward IV, King of England (1442–1483) married Elizabeth Woodville (1437-1492) in 1464

1. Elizabeth of York (b.1466) married Maximilian I, Holy Roman Emperor (b.1459) in 1482
   
2. Mary of York (1467-1482)
   
3. Cecily of York (b.1469) married James IV of Scotland (b.1473) in 1487
   
4. Edward V of England (b.1470) married Anne, Duchess of Brittany (b.1477) in 1490
   
5. Margaret of York (1472-1472)
   
6. Richard, Duke of York (b.1473) married a) Anne de Mowbray, Countess of Norfolk (1472-1481) in 1478 b) Margaret of Clarence, Countess of Warwick and Salisbury (b.1473) in 1487
   
7. Anne of York (b.1475) married Philip, Duke of Burgundy (b.1478) in 1493
   
8. George, Duke of Bedford (1477-1479)
9. Catherine of York (b.1479) married Juan, Prince of Asturias (1478-1497) in 1494
   
10. Bridget of York (b.1480) nun

Maximilian I, Holy Roman Emperor (b.1459) married a) Mary, Duchess of Burgundy (1457-1482) in 1477 b) Elizabeth of York (b.1466-1492) in 1482 c) Bianca Maria Sforza (b.1472) in 1494

1a) Philip of Burgundy (1478-1500), Duke of Burgundy married Anne of York (b. 1475) in 1493

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2a) Margaret of Burgundy (1480-1510), Queen of France married Charles VIII, King of France (1470-1498) in 1492

1) Anne Marie of France (1495-1506)
2) Louis XII, King of France (1497-1507)
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3a) Francis (1481)
4b) stillborn son (1485)
5b) Eleanor (b.1487), Queen of Hungary and Bohemia married Vladislaus II Jagiellon, King of Bohemia and Hungary (b.1456) in 1502
6b) Ernest II, Holy Roman Emperor (b.1490)
7b) Elizabeth (1492-?), Queen of Poland married Sigismund I the Old, King of Poland (b.1467) in 1510
8c) Frederick (1495-1498)
9c) Isabella (b.1498) married Christian II of Denmark
10c) Bianca (1500-1508)
11b) Beatrice (b.1504) married Richard III of England
12c) Maximilian II, Duke of Milan (b.1507) married Isabella Beatrice Sforza, Duchess of Milan and Bari (b.1515)**​

notes
* Edward of Warwick here died in 1484 of an illness, like Edward of Middleham (likely they were killed by the same illness) so Margaret became a great heiress as she inherited the whole Beauchamp/Montague inheritance. She was married to Richard of York after the regent Gloucester persuaded the Dowager Queen to let the Mowbray's inheritance to the legitimate heirs...

**Isabella Beatrice Sforza is the daughter and only child of Ercole Massimiliano Sforza (aka Maximilian I of Milan, eldest son of Ludovico Sforza "il Moro" and Beatrice d'Este) and of his wife and cousin Bona Sforza (daughter of Gian Galeazzo Sforza and Isabella of Aragon-Naples). Maximilian's younger brother Francesco (OTL Francis II) decided who he had no intention to make Bona and Isabella his enemies contesting his niece's claim and instead supported her

 

[Jan Olbracht]

John Albert and Alexander Jagiellon die as teenagers, Frederick Jagiellon dies as infant, remaining sons of Casimir Jagiellon are thus under bigger pressure to marry. Vladislaus consumates his marriage with Barbara Hohenzollern, while Sigismund (who is father's heir in Poland and Lithuania after death of Saint Casimir) marries Kunigunde of Austria (who was intended to marry Saint Casimir IOTL). Smaller Jagiellon dynasty means, that there is no war over Hungarian throne between Jagiellon brothers like IOTL-Vladislaus is only Jagiellon candidate to the Crown of St Stephen. As result his position on Hungarian throne is stronger and he does not need to make pacts with Maximilian.
Sigismund, who from the very beginning of his reign rules both Poland and Lithuania (unlike John Albert and Alexander, who divided father's inheritance between themselves) also is in better position than IOTL (and would avoid Mielnik priviledge and nihil novi law.

Vladislaus II (1456-1516) King of Bohemia 1471-1516, King of Hungary 1490-1516 m. a) 1476 Barbara of Brandenburg (1464-1488) b) 1490 Beatrice of Naples (1457-1508)

1a) Charles (1481-1484)

2a) Vladislaus (1483-1485)

3a) Casimir I (1485-1545) King of Bohemia and Hungary 1516-1545 m. 1520 Margaret of Bavaria-Landshut (1503-1552)

1) Stephen VI (1524-1579) King of Bohemia and Hungary 1535-1579

2) Barbara (1527)

3) Elizabeth (1530-1588)​

4a) Elizabeth (1488-1552) m. 1507 Maximilian* (1459-1519) Holy Roman Emperor

1) Ernest (1509-1567) Holy Roman Emperor 1525-1567​

Sigismund I (1467-1548) Grand Duke of Lithuania, King of Poland 1492-1548 m. 1487 Kunigunde of Austria (1465-1520)

1) Hedwig (1489-1546) m. 1507 Joachim I Nestor (1484-1535) Elector of Brandenburg

1) Elizabeth (1510-1568)

2) Joachim II (1512-1540) Elector of Brandenburg

3) John (1514-1586) Margrave of Küstrin

4) Anna (1516-1519)

5) Sigismund (1520-1574)​

2) Sophia (1491-1518) m. 1512 William IV of Bavaria-Munich (1492-1541)**

1) Mary (1512-1515)

2) Elizabeth (1515-1578)

3) Albert (1517-1522)

4) William (1519-1520)

5) Sigismund (1520-1578) Duke of Bavaria-Munich​

3) Casimir (1492-1496)

4) Sigismund II (1495-1559) Grand Duke of Lithuania, King of Poland 1548-1559 m. 1532 Sibylle of Saxony (1515-1592)

1) Hedwig (1534-1537)

2) Sigismund (1536)

3) Sigismund III (1537-1592) Grand Duke of Lithuania, King of Poland 1559-1592

4) Casimir (1539-1546)

5) Kunigunde (1541)

6) Vladislaus (1544-1579)
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5) Elizabeth (1497-1503)

6) Anna (1500-1551) m. 1519 Stanisław (1500-1524) Duke of Mazovia

1) Konrad IV (1522-1547) Duke of Mazovia

2) Anna (1524-1570)​

7) Barbara (1502-1557) m. 1522 Louis XI of Bavaria-Landshut*** (1502-1544)

1) Hedwig (1525-1552)

2) Sophia (1528)

3) Louis XII (1530-1582) Duke of Bavaria-Landshut​

* ITTL Margaret of Austria has kids with John Trastamara, but her brother Philip is childless, after Philip's death Maximilian has to remarry once again to save his dynasty and his choice is daughter of Vladislaus, who as King of Bohemia is one of electors of HRE. After death of Maximilian Habsburgs lost Imperial title for few years (1519 election was won by Frederick the Wise of Saxony) but get it back on 1525, after Frederick's death.
** Son of Albert IV of Bavaria and Marie of Baden

***Childten of surviving Louis of Bavaria Landshut, grandchildren of George the Rich

 

[StevenIronside]

Starts with Majorian recovering africa from Vandals.
Emperors:
Majorianus Augustus (458-485)
Theodosius III son of Majorian (485-510)
Bassianus son of Theodosius (510-512)
Valens II OR Valens the great, grandson of Majorian through another son (512-534)
Bassianus II or Bassian the great, son of Valens (534-564)
Valerius son of Bassian, great great grandson of Majorian (564-590)
Valerius Sabinus son of Valerius, (590-610)
Julius Sabinus son of Valerius, (610-615)
Majorianus II son of Julius Sabinus, (615-621)
Valentinianus IV son of Valerius Sabinus, (621-627)

10 year interregnum

Last Emperor of Majorianus dynasty

Lucius Julius Valerius Romulus Augustus
(638-650)
Splitting of the Empire

With the death of Romulus the empire which had reached its hight in the generations after Majorian and had declined after the reign of Valerius, crumbles into many small kingdoms, the strongest of which become the seperate kingdoms of Hispania, Gaul, Italia. Italia, becomes lead by the descendants of Julius Nepos and Julius Marcellinus.

 

[FalconHonour]

An Alternate Boleyn Family Tree from my TL 'Queen Is Dead'. This is how the family will look in 1525, from Thomas Boleyn and Elizabeth Howard all the way down to their various grandchildren. Anyone who doesn't want spoilers for 'Queen Is Dead' - you have been warned!

Thomas Boleyn, Earl of Ormonde m 1499 Lady Elizabeth Howard, Countess of Ormonde (a)

1a Mary ‘Marie’ Boleyn, Queen of England (1500 -) m 1520 King Henry VIII

- Lionel, Prince of Wales (1521 -)

- William, Duke of York and Normandy (1522)

- Richard, Duke of York and Normandy (1524 -)

- Princess Katherine (1524 -)

- Princess Jacquetta (1524)

2a Thomas Boleyn (1501-1508)

3a Stillborn daughter (1502)

4a Henry Boleyn (1503-1517)

5a George Boleyn, Earl of Pembroke (1504–) m 1521 Lady Katherine ‘Kathy’ Stafford, Countess of Pembroke

- Edmund Boleyn, Viscount Branksome (1522 -)

6a Catherine Boleyn (1506-1510)

7a Anne Boleyn, Marchioness of Lancaster & Countess of Northumberland (1507 -) m 1523 Henry Percy, Marquis of Lancaster & Earl of Northumberland

- Margaret Percy (1523 -)

- Philippa Percy (1525 -)

Notes: I remember reading somewhere that Thomas once said of Elizabeth 'she brought me every year a child'. I have followed that here, with the exception of 1505, because I always see George as born in October and I simply couldn't fit another pregnancy between his birth in October and Catherine's birth in 1506. I have also followed my own head canon with regards to Henry Boleyn's death. See my A03 story 'Three-Summer Queen' for more details. Henry VIII also has Princess Mary (1516 -) with Katherine of Aragon, who died in childbirth with a stillborn boy in 1518. And yes, Richard, Katherine and Jacquetta are triplets.

 

[kasumigenx]

Charlotte I of Great Britain m. Leopold of Saxe-Coburg-Saalfield
-Edward, Prince of Wales m. Maria Theresa of Modena*
-Victoria, Princess Royale m. Napoleon II
-George, duke of York
-Catherine m. William III of Netherlands
-Leopold I of Spain m. Isabella II

*With the arrangement of any of their male children being brought up as anglican and daughters as catholics and uniting the sophia and jacobite successions.

 

[Lalli]

Charlotte I of Great Britain m. Leopold of Saxe-Coburg-Saalfield
-Edward, Prince of Wales m. Maria Theresa of Modena*
-Victoria, Princess Royale m. Napoleon II
-George, duke of York
-Catherine m. William III of Netherlands
-Leopold I of Spain m. Isabella II

*With the arrangement of any of their male children being brought up as anglican and daughters as catholics and uniting the sophia and jacobite successions.

Charlotte I of Great Britain m. Leopold of Saxe-Coburg-Saalfield
-Edward, Prince of Wales m. Maria Theresa of Modena*
-Victoria, Princess Royale m. Napoleon II
-George, duke of York
-Catherine m. William III of Netherlands
-Leopold I of Spain m. Isabella II

*With the arrangement of any of their male children being brought up as anglican and daughters as catholics and uniting the sophia and jacobite successions.

Would parliament or royal court ever allow such? Catholic children at least would lost their place in line of succession.

 

[kasumigenx]

Children of Eleanor of Aquitaine and Louis VII

Marie, Countess of Flanders 1145 11 March 1198 Philippe I, Count of Flanders; had issue[1]

Philip II the Young King 1 August 1150 2 April 1230 married Constance of England[2]; had issue including Louis VIII

Alix, Countess of Blois 17 August 1153 April 1156 married Theobald V, Count of Blois; had issue

William XI of Aquitaine 28 February 1155 11 June 1199 married Douce of Provence.

Constance, Queen of Castile June 1156 13 July 1189 married Alfonso VIII of Castile; had issue

Louis 8 September 1157 6 April 1199 married Sybilla of Jerusalem; with issue

Henry , Duke of Brittany 23 September 1158 19 August 1186 married Constance, Duchess of Brittany; had issue

Eleanor, Holy Roman Empress 13 October 1162 31 October 1214 married Henry VI, Holy Roman Emperor

Joan, Byzantine Empress October 1165 4 September 1199 Alexios II Commenos

Jean, Duke of Savoy 27 December 1166 19 October 1216 married Alice of Savoy; had issue

1. She wanted to marry the Count of Flanders IOTL
2. Daughter of Eustace I of England and Constance of France

 

[SandroPertini98]

Henry of Guise decided to strike first and assassinated King Henry III of France before he can do the same:
Henry III 1574-1588 [Valois-Angouleme]
Charles X 1588-1590 [Bourbon]
Isabel I 1590-1633 [Habsburg]
Victor I 1633-1637 [Savoy; also Dukes of Savoy in personal union]
Charles XI 1637-1675
Victor II 1675-1732
Charles XII 1732-1773
Victor III 1773-1796
Charles XIII 1796-1819 [Sinse 1807 also King of Scotland in personal union]
Victor IV 1819-1824
Charles XIV 1824-1831 [Savoy Dukedum is annexed to France as happened for Navarre Kingdom]
Mary I 1831-1840
Francis III 1840-1875 [Hasburg-Este] [Also Dukes of Parma, firstly in personal union, then annexed]
Mary II 1875-1919
Rupprecht I 1919-1955 [Wittelsbach] [Also Dukes of Bavaria, in personal union, then annexed]
Albrecht I 1955-1996
Francis IV 1996-... (86)
Line of Succession:
1 Duke of Provence Maximilian (82)
2 Princess Sophia (51)
3 Prince Joseph (24)

 

[Kellan Sullivan]

Henry of Guise decided to strike first and assassinated King Henry III of France before he can do the same:
Henry III 1574-1588 [Valois-Angouleme]
Charles X 1588-1590 [Bourbon]
Isabel I 1590-1633 [Habsburg]
Victor I 1633-1637 [Savoy; also Dukes of Savoy in personal union]
Charles XI 1637-1675
Victor II 1675-1732
Charles XII 1732-1773
Victor III 1773-1796
Charles XIII 1796-1819 [Sinse 1807 also King of Scotland in personal union]
Victor IV 1819-1824
Charles XIV 1824-1831 [Savoy Dukedom is annexed to France as happened for Navarre Kingdom]
Mary I 1831-1840
Francis III 1840-1875 [Hasburg-Este] [Also Dukes of Modena, firstly in personal union, then annexed]
Mary II 1875-1919
Rupprecht I 1919-1955 [Wittelsbach] [Also Dukes of Bavaria, in personal union, then annexed]
Albrecht I 1955-1996
Francis IV 1996-... (86)
Line of Succession:
1 Duke of Provence Maximilian (82)
2 Princess Sophia (51)
3 Prince Joseph (24)

Out of curiosity, how does Guise assassinating Henri III first remove Henri de Bourbon from the succession? Since the only way that Bourbon/Navarre ain't gonna jump into the fray is if he isn't alive. Secondly, how does Savoy be annexed à la Navarre, if there was no Henri le Grand that brought it into PU here? Thirdly, how do Modena and Bavaria wind up annexed to France? They don't even share a land border, so wouldn't they just be held in personal union? Not to mention to annex a territory implies a wartime victory rather than a peaceful succession.

Also, why doesn't Guise climb onto the throne himself instead of Bourbon? Wasn't that the plan? That someone from the house of Lorraine would marry Isabel Clara Eugenia and then they would rule France. And then the duc de Mayenne got greedy.

 

[Brita]

Out of curiosity, how does Guise assassinating Henri III first remove Henri de Bourbon from the succession? Since the only way that Bourbon/Navarre ain't gonna jump into the fray is if he isn't alive. Secondly, how does Savoy be annexed à la Navarre, if there was no Henri le Grand that brought it into PU here? Thirdly, how do Modena and Bavaria wind up annexed to France? They don't even share a land border, so wouldn't they just be held in personal union? Not to mention to annex a territory implies a wartime victory rather than a peaceful succession.

In 1585, Henri III had to sign the Treaty of Nemours and make Cardinal Charles of Bourbon his heir instead of Henri de Navarre.

 

[Kellan Sullivan]

In 1585, Henri III had to sign the Treaty of Nemours and make Cardinal Charles of Bourbon his heir instead of Henri de Navarre.

Question of Navarrese annexation still stands then. Since Henri de Navarre's heir there was his sister, Catherine, followed by the Rohans. As do the questions of Modenese and Bavarian annexations

 

[SandroPertini98]

It's quite simple: the Catholic League headed by Henry of Guise refused to consider Henry of Navarre, the male heir more near to Henry III, as a legitimate heir to the French Crown because he was Protestant (and actually the French Royal Succession Laws said that the King had to be male and Catholic). In 1585 they defeated and forced Henry III to recognize Cardinal Charles of Bourbon as his heir, the only Catholic Bourbon. From this moment until his death Henry of Guise was the real ruler of France. OTL Henry III, fearing to be assassinated, decided to act first and had Henry of Guise killed and his family purged, then he proceeds to confirm Henry of Navarre as his heir. Wanting vendicate the catholic party, a mad friar killed Henry III the next year and Henry of Navarre accepted to convert to Catholicism to become Henry IV of France.
The POD is that Henry of Guise heard Henry III's intentions and had him assassinated before. Cardinal Charles, although he didn't want usurp the Crown from Henry of Navarre, is forced to become King. It was obvious at time as today that Cardinal Charles could not have heirs, so the plan was to...elect a new king after his death. I could sound strange, but the Catholic League, opposing to absolutist power of the King, wanted also reinstated the General States role in France and pushing for a more parliamentary system (opposing the aristocracy even). So their plan was to have the General States elect a new King: Henry of Guise was not a candidate, instead was Isabel Clare Eugenie of Habsburg-Spain, who was declared the "legitimate ruler" of France by the Parliament of Paris during the Religious Wars. Isabel had claims because she was the daughter of Philip II of Spain and Elisabeth of Valois, eldest daughter of Henry II and sister of Henry III. So at Charles X death, she is elected new Queen of France, changing the Succession Laws allowing the female succession (it was thought that being female was less problematic that be a heretic).Probably Isabel would have marry same French Prince (not Henry of Guise that was just married) but she hadn't children, so the succession falls on his sister Catherine Michelle, died in 1597, and her son, Duke Victor Amadeus I of Savoy.
Longstanding policies of French Monarchy were avoid in every case to split French territory, so to annex before or later every new territory, even if in personal union. Navarre case is the perfect example: it was a separate Kingdom, even with succession laws different, and formed a personal union with France but after few decades the Kingdom of France formalized Navarrese annexation, turning it in a French province. it was not an isolated case: United Kingdom too is born when England de facto annexed Scotland, that was in personal union. No war, no victory, no battles. Simply annexation. In this case Savoy is annexed to avoid that, according to the different Savoy succession laws, the Carignano Line could become new Savoy Dukes. If you have Savoy and Piedmont is pretty easy annex Modena. My bet is that France, without revolution and with same lucky wars, realizes its dream to have the Left Side of Rhine, and if you have the Rhine is easier make an union with Bavaria.

 

[WillVictoria]

WI Juan, Prince of Asturias' post-houmous daughter survived?

Isabella I of Castile (1451-1504) m. Ferdinand II of Aragon (1452 - 1516)

1. Isabella (1470 - 1498) m. a) Alfonso, Prince of Portugal (1475 - 1491), b) Manuel I of Portugal(1469 - 1521)
   1. b) Miguel I of Portugal (1498 - 1584) m. Juana I of Castile and Aragon (1497 - 1547)
      1. Isabella (1517 - 1523)
      2. Margaret (1517 - 1525)
      3. Juan III of Spain (1520 - 1594) m. Madeleine of Valois (1520 - 1584)
         1. Miguel (1541 - 1558)
         2. Juan IV (1542 - 1596)
         3. Francis (1545 - 1568)
         4. Ferdinand (1548 - 1637)
         5. Manuel (1550 - 1640)
         6. Henry (1553- 1613)
         7. Juana(1553 - 1624)
         8. Luis (1557 - 1557)
         9. Antonio (1557)
      4. Manuel (1522 - 1550) m. Jeanne I d'Albret (1528 - 1572)
         1. Jeanne II (1549 -1601)
      5. Juana (1526 - 1613) m. Maximilian of Austria
         1. Maximilian (1549 - 1554)
         2. Michael (1549 - 1552)
         3. Philip (1552 - 1564)
         4. Joana (1554 - 1559)
         5. Ferdinand (1554 - 1555)
         6. Anna (1557 - 1563)
         7. John (1561 - 1651)
         8. Frederick (1564 - 1640)
      6. Maria (1530 - 1596) m. Ottavio Farnese (1524 - 1586)
         1. Michael (1547 - 1553)
         2. Maria (1549 -1587)
         3. Alessandro (1552 - 1559)
         4. Giovanna (1554 - 1594)
         5. Margherita (1557 - 1568)
         6. Isabella (1558 - 1572)
         7. Gerolama (1561 - 1567)
         8. Stillborn boy (1565)
         9. Pier (1567 - 1584)
      7. Ferdinand (1532 - 1554)
      8. Catalina (1534 - 1539)
      9. Ana (1536 - 1537)
2. Juan, Prince of Asturias (1478 - 1497) m. Margaret of Austria (1480 - 1530)
   1. Juana I of Castile and Aragon (1497 - 1547) m. Miguel I of Portugal (1498 - 1584)
      1. see above
3. Joana (1479 - 1555) m. Philip, HRE (1478 - 1538)
   1. Eleanor (1498 - 1520) m. Sigismund I of Poland (1567 - 1548)
      1. Sigismund Augustus (1519 - 1524)
      2. Elizabeth (1520 - 1539) m. Francis II of France (1518 - 1578)
         1. Eleonore (1537 - 1608)
         2. Francis III (1539 - 1585)
   2. Charles (1500 - 1514)
   3. Ferdinand (1501 - 1503)
   4. Maximilian (1504 - 1542), HRE m. Anna of Hungary (1503 - 1547)
      1. Maximilian (1526 - 1592) m. Juana of Spain
         1. see above
      2. Ferdinand (1527 - 1531)
      3. Elizabeth (1529 - 1594) m. Albert V of Bavaria (1528 - 1579)
         1. Maria Anna (1547 - 1583)
         2. Maximilian (1548 - 1583)
         3. Charles (1549 - 1554)
         4. Maximiliana Maria (1551 - 1559)
         5. Elisabeth (1554 - 1555)
         6. William (1556 - 1578)
         7. Ferdinand (1559 - 1574)
         8. Joana (1559 -1634)
         9. Catherine (1562 - 1569)
         10. Kuningunde (1563 - 1566)
         11. Sidonie (1564 - 1566)
      4. Anna (1532 - 1550) m. William of Julich Berg Cleves (1539 - 1592)
         1. Karl Friedrich (1550 - 1565)
      5. Maria (1536 - 1554) m. William of Julich Berg Cleves (1539 - 1592)
         1. John William (1554 - 1585)
      6. Magdalena (1536 - 1614) m. William, Duke of Mantua (1538 - 1587)
         1. Margherita (1562 -1640)
         2. Anna Caterina (1565 - 1574)
         3. Maria (1568 - 1554)
         4. Vincenzo (1572 - 1590)
         5. Magdalena (1573 - 1657)
      7. Catherine (1539 - 1624), a nun
      8. Eleanor (1541 - 1567) m. Francesco I de Medici (1541 - 1587)
         1. Eleonora (1562 - 1573)
         2. Anna (1565 - 1594)
         3. Isabella (1567 - 1569)
   5. John (1506 - 1521)
   6. Isabella (1506 - 1512)
   7. Mary (1508 - 1510)
   8. Philip (1509 -1559) m. Catherine de Medici (1519 - 1589)
      1. Joana (1538 - 1604)
      2. Magdalena (1542 - 1567)
      3. Elisabeth (1544 - 1547)
      4. Margaret (1546 - 1548)
      5. Catherine (1548 - 1556)
      6. Isabella (1550 - 1575)
      7. Philip (1555 - 1576)
   9. Francis (1512 - 1525)
4. Maria (1482 - 1517) m. Manuel I of Portugal(1469 - 1521)
   1. Isabella (1502 - 1532) m. Charles III of Savoy (1486 - 1553)
      1. Adriano Giovanni Amedeo (1522)
      2. Caterina (1527 - 1587)
      3. Ludovico (1527 - 1600)
      4. Emmanuel Philibert (1530 - 1592)
   2. Beatrice (1504 - 1536) m. Christian II of Denmark (1481 - 1559)
      1. Dorothea (1521 - 1582)
      2. Christina (1524 - 1534)
      3. John (1526 - 1549)
      4. Emmanuel Michael (1531)
      5. Maria (1536 - 1626)
   3. Maria (1508 - 1563) m. Ercole d'Este (1508 - 1559)
      1. Maria (1531 - 1545)
      2. Alfonso (1531 - 1536)
      3. Lucrezia (1535 - 1537)
      4. Emmanuel (1537 - 1571)
      5. Eleanora (1540 - 1556)
      6. Ercole (1544 - 1549)
   4. John (1510 - 1600), a priest
   5. Joana (1512 - 1528)
   6. Luis (1516 - 1518)
5. Catherine (1486 - 1536) m. Arthur I of England (1487 - 1523)
   1. Arthur (1504 - 1505)
   2. Henry VIII (1508 - 1563) m. Renee of France (1510 - 1574)
      1. Arthur (1531 - 1535)
      2. Stillborn son (1533)
      3. Catherine (1536 - 1542)
      4. Anne (1537 - 1588)
      5. Elizabeth (1540 - 1601)
      6. Renee (1545 - 1558)
      7. Mary (1548 - 1589)
   3. John, Duke of Somerset (1508 - 1539) m. Anne of Cleves (1515 - 1557)
      1. John (1535 - 1549)
      2. Arthur (1537 - 1546)
      3. Henry (1538 - 1614)
   4. Mary (1512 - 1515)
   5. Edmund, Duke of Richmond (1515 - 1543) m. Katherine Willoughby (1519 - 1580)
      1. Henry (1535 - 1565)
      2. Katherine (1539 - 1614)
      3. Edmund (1539 - 1542)
      4. Arthur (1543 - 1628)
   6. stillborn son (1519)
   7. Elizabeth (1523 - 1540)

 

[Jan Olbracht]

House of Sobieski. Changes: Jan III is killed in the Battle of Parkany, just after Vienna, in glory of hero. On the wave of his fame his son Jakub is elected to be his successor. Jakub gets Polish throne and marries surviving Archduchess Maria Josepha Clementina. After two generations and60 years on the throne and thanks to intermarriage with Habsburgs status of Sobieski family improved and they're no longer seen as mere noble family, thus semi-dynastic rule in PLC known from Vasa times returns, and later, under Jakub II, is officially replaced with hereditary monarchy under House of Sobieski (with boring Danish style alternation of monarchs named Jan and Jakub).

Jakub I (1667-1733) King of Poland 1683-1733 m. 1692 Maria Josefa Klementine (1675-1731)

1) Maria Leopoldyna (1695-1705)

2) Maria Kazimiera (1697-1736) m. 1719 Karl Wilhelm Albrecht of Bavaria* (1696-1731)

3) Maria Józefa (1700-1761) m. 1721 Francesco III d'Este (1698-1780) Duke of Modena

4) Maria Karolina (1702-1754) m. 1723 Ludwig Georg of Baden (1702-1761)

5) Jan IV (1704-1761) King of Poland 1733-1761 m. 1736 Hedwig Emanuela of Bavaria* (1719-1779)

1) Jakub II (1739-1816) King of Poland 1761-1816

2) Maria Józefa (1741-1744)

3) Maria Klementyna (1743-1804)

4) Maria Jadwiga (1745)

5) Maria Anna (1747-1748)

6) Jan (1749-1752)

7) Władysław (1752-1804)
​

* ITTL Maximilian Emanuel of Bavaria married Hedwig Elisabeth of Palatinate OTL wife of Jakub Sobieski. Karl Wilhelm Albrecht is their oldest son, Hedwig Emanuela is their granddaughter by second son)

 

[Jonathan]

John of Eltham, 1st Earl of Cornwall (15/8/1316–10/6/1362) m. December 1336, Maria de la Cerda y de Lara (1319 – 13 March 1375) [1]

Prince Edward, 2nd Earl of Cornwall (1337–5/7/1375) m. Margaret of England (20/7/1346–10/12/1361)
Prince Henry (1338–1397)
Prince Fernando (1340–20/9/1404)
Princess Isabelle (1342– 3/9/1379)
Prince John “the Younge” (1344–1377)
Princess Mary (16/4/1348-29/3/1399) m. John Hastings, 2nd Earl of Pembroke (1347–1375)​

Wards of Prince John:
Louis II d'Évreux (1336–1400)
John (1336–1373)
​

[1] Maria was the youngest daughter of Fernando de la Cerda and his wife Juana Núñez de Lara. Maria was a member of the Castilian House of Burgundy.

In April 1335 at Poissy, Maria married her first husband Charles d'Évreux. They were married for only a year but had twin sons. On the 5 September 1336 Charles died leaving Maria a seventeen-year-old widow with her two young sons.

 

[Jonathan]

An interesting idea following

Louis “the Great” of Hungary and Poland (5/3/1326–10/9/1382) m. a) Margaret of Bohemia b) Elizabeth of Bosnia

Louis II, Hungary, Poland and Naples (4/1/1354-1414) m. 1388, Catherine of Lithuania

Elizabeth (1388-1467)
Louis III (1389-1438) m. 1412, Cymburgis of Masovia (1394–28/9/1429)

Louis IV (21/9/1415–19/8/1493)
Catherine (1416–12/2/1486)
Charles (18/12/1418–2/12/1463)
Mary (1420–11/9/1493)
Er (1420-10/8/1432)
Alexandra of Austria (1421)
Anna of Austria (1422–11/11/1429)
Siemowit (1424)
Rudolph (1425)​

Catherine (1390-1467)​

Catherine of Hungary (1370-1378)
Mary of Hungary (1371-17/5/1395) m. 1387, Sigismund of Luxembourg (15/2/1368–9/12/1437)
Hedwig of Hungary (1373-17/7/1399) m. 1388, William, Duke of Austria (c. 1370–15/7/1406)​

 

[kasumigenx]

Margaret of Mazovia m. Casimir of Slupsk(a) Henry of Brieg(b)

1a. Wladyslaw of Slupsk m. Mary I of Poland

2b. Margaret of Brieg

3b. Louis II of Brieg