No what I mean is once/if Richard gets back from France he'll set his sights back on Scotland, and it's not gonna be pretty. But it's your tree so upto you.
Oh i can definitely see elizabeth de la pole marrying a francis ii who doesn't die...would be interesting to see if she can manage a son.
Anne died in 1495 IOTL and that was without bearing any children (she was a nun) so you could always have Anne die early and then Ferdinand and Isabella decide against sending Maria to Poland or Naples so she goes to Scotland.
Spain and the netherlands were only in pu because there wasn't a second son to take over...if philip ii or philip iii had had surviving brothers, then one of those brothers would've gotten the low countries.
Yeah, but I’d imagine it would be fairly easy. Also losing Calais doesn’t really matter here when he has Portugal’s spice trade dominance. Also I should’ve mentioned it but Richard IV is sent to Portugal from a young age so he’s a mix of Portuguese and English culture. I’d also imagine there would be a Governor for England and Portugal here, like the Lowlands had.
I think Anne dying early works well. Maria in Scotland would be fun! As for Spain and the Netherlands I suppose, but couldn’t Charles V have just given them to Ferdinand I in otl when he split up the Habsburg domains? Not exactly an expert in how the split up of that Empire went but I say it would’ve been easy enough to do.
The OTL split is always way exaggerated as it happened well before the abdication of Charles V (who personally held only Spain (Castile, Aragon + colonies), Sardinia and maybe Sicily at the time of the abdication and left everything to Philip). Charles was long undecided about what doing with Burgundian inheritance, and is unlikely who Philip will receive them without marrying Mary Tudor (in that case they would go to Maria, Charles’s elder daughter, who was married to Ferdinand‘s heir and would remain to Austria if one of their sons had issues)
Oh I see. So I suppose the Anglo-Portuguese Union not splitting is a bit of a stretch then?
Anne de la Pole? Richard III apparently considered sending her north as a proxy bride.
AIUI its more than a rumour. Although its one of those cases where you know the murderer's guilty, but there's no evidence to back up that they ACTUALLY pulled the trigger
What about Maria of Aragon, since there is no Manuel for her to marry?
I am literally imagining a legal drama show, where Ferdinand goes to court with John II and literally everyone giving their reasoning as to why they think he did, the court listens to Ferdinand speak and can tell he did but there’s no proper evidence so despite everyone knowing he did they have to let him go.
Not very likely IMO. Mostly because of the location and the fact that if England is allied, Scotland is a waste of an alliance. There was a reason Fernando didn't want to send his own daughter to Scotland but instead dispose of the (now) useless (to him) Margarethe of Austria. Not only would he not have to pay the dowry, but it would get her out of his court (FWIG she was a painful reminder to her parents-in-law). Scotland (as shown by Mary, QoS) is only valuable when England is off the table (its no coincidence that the only generation of pre-union Stewart princesses to marry abroad were a generation when England had no princesses available).
I see, so really for Maria it’s going to be Poland or Hungary where she gets her husband.
Jan Olbracht's lifestyle of war, wine and women would make him unpalatable to Queen Isabel (and Alexander is already married) which leaves Hungary
I see. So Hungary it is, wonder if Spain can save them against the Ottoman onslaught.
True actually! Philibert would do well, maybe John can survive here?
Ah, that makes sense. She would definitely be preferable to her aunt.
Hmm, interesting. Could mme adélaïde go to turin instead then?
So you think that Friedrich August would marry a French princess rather than Henriette Christine?
An expansion of this lineage...
More likely is simply Maria Anna of Saxony (OTL Electress of Bavaria). Savoy was in the Habsburg-adjacent camp until the 1750s. With Henriette unavailable, Adélaïde might be offered as a second wife to Fernando VI (as Henriette was pushed OTL by her sister, Louise Élisabeth, but Queen Barbara took too long to die and Fernando didn't live long enough to recover from her death).
It had more to do with their Polish blood than anything else. OTL Maria Josepha of Austria, Friedrich August' paternal grandmother, prevented her oldest son and his wife from setting foot in Poland and building up a client base there (she wanted her second son,Xavier to succeed as king of Poland). Its why Friedrich Christian (Friedrich August' dad) was never able to be elected king of Poland in his 74-day reign. A French match had the blood of a still living (if disputed) king of Poland (Stanislas Leszczynski), and is a powerful ally. A half-Polish, half-French wife can (sort of) give Friedrich August an edge. But the big thing would be would be to stop Friedrich Christian dying before being elected, or his brother refusing the crown, thus allowing Poniatowski a foot in the door
