List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage

[Kellan Sullivan]

Here’s one where Richard III wins Bosworth and Edward of Middleham survives:

King Richard III (1452-1507), reigned from 1483, M. Anne Neville (1456-1485) and in 1487 Princess Joanna of Portugal (1452-1506), had issue:

With Anne Neville:

1. Edward Middleham, later King Edward V (1473-1529) reigned from 1507 M. Elizabeth of York (1466-1521), had issue:

1 (A). Prince Richard, later King Richard IV (1489-1551), reigned from 1529 M. Catherine of Aragon (1485-1555).
1 (B). Princess Anne (1492-1543) M. King Orland I of France (1492-1539)
1 (C). Prince Edward, Duke Of Gloucester (1494-1525) M. Antoinette de Bourbon

With Princess Joanna

2. Princess Cecily (1488-1536) M. King James IV of Scotland (1473-1423) reigned from 1488, had issue:

2 (A). Prince James, Duke of Rothesay (1508-1556) reigned from 1523.
2 (B). Princes Cecily of Scotland (1509)

3. Prince Richard, Duke of York (1491-1559) M. Marguerite de Angouleme (1492-1550) had issue:

3 (A). Sir Edward of York (1507)
3 (B). Lady Margaret (1509)
3 (C). Lady Joanna (1511)
3 (D). Sir Richard (1513)

4. Princess Joanna (1494-1519) M. King Christian II of Denmark, had issue:

4 (A). Prince John of Denmark (1510-1543)
4 (B). Prince Christian (1512-1550)
4 (C). Princess Christina (1515-1556)

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So a few notes, the daughters of Edward IV are either married of to loyalist of Richard or sent to the convent.

While I always like a good Riccardian tree, Scotland is an unlikely match. Richard III's plan was to send either Margaret of Clarence or Anne de la Pole up north to marry James.
The general thrust of the matches seems "too French" given Richard's poor opinion of his brother's actions in France.

Good news will be no Manuel of Portugal here. Fernando and Isabella won't murder Prince Affonso if the next heir is the queen of England or the prince of Wales. Although they also had a better opinion of Richard than of Edward IV, good enough to offer Isabel to either Middleham or Richard himself to prevent an Anglo-Portuguese match.

In place of Antoinette de Bourbon, why not Madeleine de la Tour d'Auvergne (OTL mom of Caterina de Medici)?

@BlueFlowwer @isabella

 

[isabella]

While I always like a good Riccardian tree, Scotland is an unlikely match. Richard III's plan was to send either Margaret of Clarence or Anne de la Pole up north to marry James.
The general thrust of the matches seems "too French" given Richard's poor opinion of his brother's actions in France.

Good news will be no Manuel of Portugal here. Fernando and Isabella won't murder Prince Affonso if the next heir is the queen of England or the prince of Wales. Although they also had a better opinion of Richard than of Edward IV, good enough to offer Isabel to either Middleham or Richard himself to prevent an Anglo-Portuguese match.

In place of Antoinette de Bourbon, why not Madeleine de la Tour d'Auvergne (OTL mom of Caterina de Medici)?

@BlueFlowwer @isabella

That would work only if Richard had effectively surviving children by Joanna (who for me is pretty unlikely as Joanna was already 33 and her health likely not good and her religion pretty intense. Do not forget who England had an harsher climate than Portugal and Joanna would die in 5 years). More likely who Manuel would still follow John of Portugal on the throne and Manuel’s eldest son married to one of the younger daughters of Ferdinand and Isabella). Isabella of Aragon for Middleham is not impossible (if he is born at the end of 1473. If he was born in 1476, he would likely get Joanna) if Richard‘s crown look stable, but Isabella for Richard himself? No way her parents would agree to that match.
Still Joanna of Portugal living until 1506 and able to have 3 living children after marrying at 35 years old looks highly implausible to me.
Richard offered Anne de la Pole in Scotland and she and her sisters are the only nieces who Richard can safely marry abroad.

 

[VVD0D95]

Not sure how plausible, but thought I'd experiment:

POD: Ferdinand Wenzel survives

Ferdinand VI of Spain (b.1667: d.1723) m Anne Marie d' Orleans (b.1669: d.1730)

Issue:

Elisabeth Maria (b.1686)

Carlos, Prince of Asturias (b.1687: d.1699)

Leopold I of Spain (b.1689)

stillborn daughter (b.1691: d.1691)

stillborn son (b.1694: d.1694)

Margaret Theresa (b.1697)

Infante Felipe (b.1700)

stillborn daughter (b.1705: d.1705)

 

[Jonathan]

Working progress

Queen Elizabeth, the Motherly Queen
Henry VIII of England (28/6/1491–28/1/1547) m. 1509, a) Catherine of Aragon (16/12/1485–7/1/1536), b) 1533, Anne Boleyn, Queen Regent (c. 1501–14/11/1546). % Mistress Elizabeth Blount

1a) Unnamed daughter (31/1/1510)​

2a) Stillborn​

3a) Henry, Duke of Cornwall (1/1/1511-22/2/1511)​

4a) Unnamed son (17/9/1513)​

5a) Unnamed son (12/11/1514)​

6a) Lady Mary of Greenwich (18/2/1516-17/11/1554) [1] m. 1536, Duke Frederick III of Legnica (22/2/1520–15/12/1570) [2]​

1) Frederick III (23/10/1538–3 March 1588) m. 1558, Countess Palatine Elisabeth of Simmern-Sponheim (30/6/1540–8/2/1594)​

1) Frederick (30/11/1559-8/8/1564)​

2) Henry (3/2/1563-4/8/1572)​

3) Frederick IV (12/6/1564-16/7/1633) m. Erdmuthe of Brandenburg (26/6/1561–13/11/1623)​

4) Henry (9/7/1566-23/10/1638) m.​

2) Catherine (b. 15/11/1541–7/8/1542)​

3) Sophie (7/11/1542–3/9/1569) m. 1558, John Frederick II, Electorate of Saxony [2a]​

4) George (29/10/1543–15/1/1551)​

5) Maria (15/10/1546–16/9/1583) m. 1562, John Frederick, Duke of Pomerania (27/8/1542-9/2/1600)​

7a) Unnamed daughter (10/11/1518)​

8%) Henry FitzRoy, 1st Duke of Richmond and Somerset (15/6/1519-23/7/1536) m. 1533, Lady Mary Howard (c. 1519–7/12/1557)​

9b) Elizabeth I of England (7/9/1533–r. 28/1/1547-24/3/1603) m. 1549, John of Nassau-Dillenburg (22/11/1536–8/10/1606) [3]​

1) Henry IX of England ( 13/3/1550–25/1/1611) m. 1569, Elisabeth of Prussia (20/5/1551–19/2/1596).​

2) Princes John, Duke of York (7/6/1551–27/9/1613) m. Elizabeth of Wiltshire and Ormond (28/11/1551-16/1/1623)​

3) Prince William, Duke of Normandy (1/9/1552–9/8/1613) m. Anne Cecil of Burghley (5 December 1556 – 5 June 1588)​

4) Princess Anne (24/1/1554–5/5/1611) m. 1572, Henry III of Navarre and IV of France (13/12/1553–14/5/1610)​

5) Princess Margaret (6/10/1555–4/10/1620) m. 1568, Sebastian of Portugal (20/1/1554–4/8/1578)​

6) Prince George, Duke of Gloucester (1/10/1556–3/9/1585) m. 1577, Mary de Vere of Oxford ( 1560-24/6/1624)​

7) Princess Juliane (12/11/1558–25/10/1625) m. 1574, Philip William, Prince of Orange (19/12/1554–20/2/1618)​

8) Princess Mary (29/9/1559–19/12/1576) m. 1575,​

9) Princess Elizabeth (27/12/1560–10/5/1625)​

10) Prince Francis (24/01/1562-21/2/1563)​

11) Prince Thomas, Duke of Suffolk (22/12/1562–2/6/1632) m. 1580, Lady Margaret Howard (c. 1562–19/8/1591)​

12) Prince Francis, Duke of Richmond (20/4/1564-) m.​

13) Princess Henrietta (15/12/1566–12/9/1604) m. 1583, James VI of Scotland (19/6/1566–27/3/1625)​

10b) Henry, Prince of Wales (25/12/1534-14/1/1546) [4]​

11b) Edward, Duke of York (29/1/1536-14/1/1546) [4]​

12b) Princess Anne of England (15/8/1539-25/3/1594) m. 1556, Frederick II of Denmark (1/7/1534–4/4/1588)​

1) Princess Elizabeth of Denmark (25/8/1557-19 June 1615)​

2) Princess Anne of Denmark (1/2/1559-2/6/1619)​

3) Christian IV, King of Denmark and Norway (4/12/1560-28/3/1631)​

4) Prince Henrik of Denmark, Prince of Schleswig-Holstein (30/10/1562-27/3/1608)​

5) Princess Dorothea of Denmark (4/8/1564-2/5/1616)​

6) Hedwig of Denmark (5 August 1565 26 November 1641)​

7) Frederick of Denmark, Duke of Lolland (9/7/1567-28/10/1602)​

13b) Henry, Duke of Cornwall (14/11/1546-17/11/1546)​

[1] Catherine was demoted to Dowager Princess of Wales (a title she would have held as Arthur's widow), and Mary was deemed illegitimate. She was styled "The Lady Mary" rather than Princess, and her place in the line of succession was transferred to her newborn half-sister, Elizabeth, Anne's daughter. Following the birth of a healthy male heir, Queen Anne, wanted Mary, married away from England, keeping any chances of Mary and her heirs from usurping her children.
Many suitors were sort after, but Anne had strict restrictions, no King or Prince, no English lord or any foreign lord who could invade England in a succession war.
She died on 17the November 1554, of a heavy bleed following a miscarriage.
[2] The marriage came in the form of 16 year old, Frederick, eldest son of Duke Frederick II of Legnica in Silesia (1480–1547), a strong supporter of the Reformation and founded in 1526 the first Protestant University in Legnica; however, because of the controversies between Luther and Caspar Schwenckfeld, it wasn't until 1530 that the University finally opened. Despite his own conversion to Protestantism, Frederick II allowed his subjects to choose their own religion.
Mary was happy that she was still able to attend mass but wasn't overly happy in her marriage or the fact that her children were protestant. It also upset her that Frederick III was sided against the rule of Emperor Charles V, joining the Coalition of Protestant rebel princes and using her dowry and English aid to allow him to not be deposed of by the Holy Roman Emperor. England would be a massive supporter of the Schmalkaldic League, especially after the Treaty of Toledo.
In 1546, England would join the forces with the League in the Schmalkaldic War.
Frederick would marry again, this time to Barbara of Hesse (8 April 1536 – 8 June 1597)
[2a] Following the Leauge victory in the Schmalkaldic War, John Frederick I retains the electoral dignity.

[3] In 1547, when 13 year old, Elizabeth succeeded her father, Henry VIII, the discussions of marriage began.

[4] Similar to Henry VIII's brother, during an epidemic of the sweating sickness, the two young princes died, the Duke of York first, followed by his older brother about an hour later, not heeding from history, Henry VIII, in his frail health tried to conceive a new male heir with his wife Anne, however she died in childbirth and the frail prince died three days later.

 

[FalconHonour]

@The_Most_Happy and I have been discussing various family trees to do with a scenario where all of Katherine's pregnancies come to term with living children.

This is my version of a family tree in that world. I have stolen the names and birthdates to save myself an awful lot of work and some of the matches we have agreed on together, but some are my own choice.

Henry VIII (1491-1547) m. 1509 Katherine of Aragon (1486 -1538) [1]

1. Elizabeth (b.1510) m.1524 John III of Portugal (b. 1502)

- Manuel, Prince of Portugal (1525-1529)
- Enrique, Prince of Portugal (b.1527)
- Infanta Catarina (1530 - 1534)
- Infanta Isabella ( 1532 - 1534)
- Infante Miguel (b. 1535)
- Infanta Ana (b.1537)
- Infante Fernando (1539-1546)
- Infanta Beatriz (1543-1545)

2. Henry, Prince of Wales (b.1511) m.1526 Renee of France (b.1510) [2]

- Anne of Wales (b.1528)
- Elizabeth of Wales (b.1530)
- Henry of Wales (1532-1535)
- Louis of Wales (b. 1533)
- Katherine of Wales (b.1536)
- Eleanor of Wales ( 1538-1539)
- Renee of Wales (1540 -1546)
- Thomas of Wales (b.1543)

3. Edward, Duke of York (b.1513) m. 1530 Anne of Cleves (b.1515)

- Margaret of York (b. 1532)
- William of York (b.1535)
- Patience of York (b.1538) [3]
- Edward of York (1541-1543)
- Frederick of York (1544 -1548) [4]

4. John, Duke of Richmond (b.1515-1548) m. 1533 Catherine Willoughby, Baroness Willoughby de Eresby (b.1519)

- Catherine of Richmond (b.1534)
- Mary of Richmond (b.and d.1537)
- Anne of Richmond (b. and d.1540)
- Grace of Richmond (b.1544)

5. Mary (b.1516) m.1533 John, Crown Prince of Denmark (b.1518 -1534)

- Christian Henry, Prince of Denmark (b.1535) [5]

6. Catherine (b.1517) m. 1537 Henry Grey, Marquis of Dorset (b.1517) [6]

- Henry Grey (b.1538)
- Catherine Grey (b.1541)
- Thomas Grey (b.1542)

7. Margaret (b.1518) m. 1537 Adriano, Prince of Piedmont (b.1522) [7]

- Carlo of Piedmont (b.1540)
-Maria of Piedmont (b. and d. 1542)
- Margarita of Piedmont (1544-1547)
- Enrico of Piedmont (b.1546)
- Beatriz of Piedmont (b. 1548)
- Giovanna of Piedmond (b.1551)


[1] I'm assuming that if Katherine wasn't sent away to damp mouldering castles, she might live a little longer even with her cancer.
[2] Henry and Renee marry as part of the peace treaty signed after Pavia. Despite Renee's claims to Brittany that make her a threat to Francis if she's got English support, she's a better match for Henry age wise than Francis's sickly five-year-old daughter Madeleine.
[3] Ned is very Protestant, so his giving his daughter a virtue name doesn't seem out of place to me...and I prefer Patience to Constance.
[4] Named for Frederick the Wise of Saxony who sheltered Martin Luther.
[5] His uncle had a double name, so I thought I'd have Mary name her son for both his grandfathers here.
[6] Catherine elopes while her parents are embroiled in Meg's preparations to go to Savoy, Her marriage is not a happy one once the initial lust runs its course, but they do manage a couple of heirs to the Dorset title.
[7] Butterflies keep this Savoyard Prince alive past the age of one and a bit, and I figured that while not a sparkling match, Savoy would be a solid one for the youngest daughter of the King of England.

 

[HortenseMancini]

@FalconHonour where did you hear that Catherine had a pregnancy in 1517? I wasn't aware of that one.

 

[RedKing]

Here's a redo of my tree where Richard III wins Bosworth and Edward Middleham survives:

King Richard III (1452-1508), reigned from 1483, M. Anne Neville (1456-1485) and Princess Joanna of Portugal [1] (1452-1587), had issue:

With Anne Neville

1. Prince Edward of Middleham, later King Edward V [2] (1473-1529) M. Joanna of Aragon [3](1479-1555), had issue

1 (A). Princess Anne (1496-1549) M. King Orland I of France [4] (1492-1545), reigned from 1501
1 (B). Prince Richard, later King Richard IV (1499-1523) M. Princess Isabella of Portugal (1500-1548)
1 (C). Prince George, Duke of Gloucester (1502-1560) M. Susanna of Bavaria (1503-1559)

With Joanna of Portugal:

2. Prince Richard, Duke of York (1487-1521) M. Marie d'Albret (1491-1527), had issue:

2 (A). Sir Edward, Duke of York and Count of Rethel (1507-1568)
2 (B). Lady Mary (1509-1550)
2 (C). Sir Richard, Earl of Rutland (1512-1567)


3. Princess Cecily of England (1487-1520) M. Charles II of Savoy [5] (1489-1510), had issue:

3 (A). Duke Amadeus X of Savoy (1504-1556), reigned from 1510.
3 (B). Blanche of Savoy (1507-1550)


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[1], Prince Afonso, first husband of Isabella of Aragon in otl lives here.
[2] Number chosen due to Richard's claim his nephews were illegitimate.
[3] OTL Joanna I of Castile, here her sister Isabella dies around the same time as otl, but has issue who inherit Spain.
[4] OTL Charles Orlando, here he lives into adulthood.
[5] Charles II lives into adulthood in this scenario.

 

[FalconHonour]

@FalconHonour where did you hear that Catherine had a pregnancy in 1517? I wasn't aware of that one.

To be honest, she might not have. I just took the list of kids from the original thread. That being said, if all her pregnancies came to term, the miscarriages would have been longer and therefore pushed the subsequent pregnancies back somewhat...

 

[The_Most_Happy]

To be honest, she might not have. I just took the list of kids from the original thread. That being said, if all her pregnancies came to term, the miscarriages would have been longer and therefore pushed the subsequent pregnancies back somewhat...

Apparently she was assumed to be pregnant in 1517 and had a really early miscarriage or was just late due to stress and never really pregnant. I found a couple sources that stated that "The Venetian ambassador wrote in 1517, “the Queen … is supposed to be pregnant” but thereafter, it’s never mentioned again", so I decided to go for broke and give her that pregnancy as well.

 

[kasumigenx]

Ivana Marie Trump m. 2013 Harry, Duke of Sussex(a)

1a. Joanna of Sussex b. December 2, 2014

2a. Richard of Sussex b. May 10, 2016

 

[Jan Olbracht]

Edward IV, grandfather of Europe ( Edward IV lives a bit longer and his line keeps the throne, meanwhile Catholic Monarchs have no surviving kids after John), final version.

Edward IV (1442-1484) King of England, m. Elizabeth Woodville (1437-1492)

1) Elizabeth (1466-1518) m. Charles VIII (1470-1502) King of France

1) Charles IX (1487-1511) King of France 1502, m. Anne of Lorraine (1490-1520)​

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2) Elizabeth (1488-1540) m. Ferdinand II/V (1452-1516) King of Aragon and Castile​

1) John III (1508-1554) King of Spain 1516, m. Catherine of Portugal (1508-1561) see below​

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3) Louis XII (1490-1542) King of France 1511, m. Francoise of Alençon (1490-1550)​

1) Elizabeth (1510-1580) m. Edward VI (1506-1569) King of England (see below)​

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2) Louise (1511-1553) m. James V (1505-1539) King of Scotland (see below)​

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3) Charles (1513)​

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4) Louis (1516-1517)​

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5) Charlotte (1518-​

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6) Joanna (1520-1557)​

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7) Charles X (1521-1562) King of France, m. a) Anna of Portugal (1519-1562) see below, b)​

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8) Francoise (1524-1548)​

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9) Margaret (1526-1579)​

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10) Francis (1527-1570) Duke of Anjou​

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11) Anne (1530-1582)​

3) Charlotte (1494)​

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4) Philip (1495-1499)​

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5) Anne (1498)​

2) Mary (1467-1482)

3) Cecily (1469-1507) m. James IV (1473-1517) King of Scotland

1) James (1492)​

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2) James (1495-1503)​

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3) Margaret (1497)​

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4) Alexander (1499-1501)​

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5) James V (1505-1539) King of Scotland 1517, m. Louise of France (1511-1553)​

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4) Edward V (1470-1489) King of England 1483

5) Margaret (1472)

6) Richard (1473-1486) Duke of York, m. Anne Mowbray

7) Anne (1475-1511) m. Philip IV (1478-1508) Duke of Burgundy

1) Eleanor (1495-1516) m. Antoine (1489-1544) Duke of Lorraine​

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2) Charles V (1498-1525) Duke of Burgundy 1508, Holy Roman Emperor 1519 m. Elizabeth of Bohemia and Hungary* (1503-1553)​

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3) Maximilian II (1500-1551) Holy Roman Emperor 1525, m. Catherine of Lorraine (1503-1546)​

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4) Elizabeth (1504-1517)​

8) George I (1477-1522) King of England 1489, m. Margaret of Austria (1480-1530)

1) Edward (1498-1504)​

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2) Elizabeth (1500-1544) m. Edward II (1502-1535) King of Portugal (see below/​

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3) George (1501-1510)​

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4) Richard (1503)​

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5) Edward V (1506-1569) King of England 1522, m. Elizabeth of France (1510-1580)​

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6) Margaret (1509)​

9) Catherine (1479-1527) m. a) John (1478-1497) Prince of Asturias b) Manuel I (1469-1521) King of Portugal

1b) John (1500)​

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2b) Edward II (1502-1535) King of Portugal 1521, m. Elizabeth of England (1500-1544)​

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3b) Isabella (1503-1509)​

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4b) Beatrice (1505)​

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5b) Afonso VI (1506-1555) King of Portugal 1535, m. Guiomar Coutinho​

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7b) Catherine (1508-1561) m. John III (1508-1554) King of Spain​

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8b) Ferdinand (1511-1515)​

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9b) George (1513-1548) Duke of Guarda​

10b) Henry (1515-1567) cardinal​

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11b) Anna (1519-1552) m. Charles IX (1521-1562) King of France​

10) Bridget (1480-1517) nun

* Daughter of Vladislaus II of Bohemia and Hungary and Elizabeth of Palatinate.

Great-grandchildren of Edward IV by his oldest daughter Elizabeth are included on the tree, but without marriages, unless they married people, who also appeared on the tree.

 

[isabella]

Edward IV, grandfather of Europe ( Edward IV lives a bit longer and his line keeps the throne, meanwhile Catholic Monarchs have no surviving kids after John), final version.

Edward IV (1442-1484) King of England, m. Elizabeth Woodville (1437-1492)

1) Elizabeth (1466-1518) m. Charles VIII (1470-1502) King of France

1) Charles IX (1487-1511) King of France 1502, m. Anne of Lorraine (1490-1520)​

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2) Elizabeth (1488-1540) m. Ferdinand II/V (1452-1516) King of Aragon and Castile​

1) John III (1508-1554) King of Spain 1516, m. Catherine of Portugal (1508-1561) see below​

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3) Louis XII (1490-1542) King of France 1511, m. Francoise of Alençon (1490-1550)​

1) Elizabeth (1510-1580) m. Edward VI (1506-1569) King of England (see below)​

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2) Louise (1511-1553) m. James V (1505-1539) King of Scotland (see below)​

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3) Charles (1513)​

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4) Louis (1516-1517)​

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5) Charlotte (1518-​

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6) Joanna (1520-1557)​

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7) Charles X (1521-1562) King of France, m. a) Anna of Portugal (1519-1562) see below, b)​

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8) Francoise (1524-1548)​

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9) Margaret (1526-1579)​

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10) Francis (1527-1570) Duke of Anjou​

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11) Anne (1530-1582)​

3) Charlotte (1494)​

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4) Philip (1495-1499)​

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5) Anne (1498)​

2) Mary (1467-1482)

3) Cecily (1469-1507) m. James IV (1473-1517) King of Scotland

1) James (1492)​

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2) James (1495-1503)​

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3) Margaret (1497)​

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4) Alexander (1499-1501)​

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5) James V (1505-1539) King of Scotland 1517, m. Louise of France (1511-1553)​

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4) Edward V (1470-1489) King of England 1483

5) Margaret (1472)

6) Richard (1473-1486) Duke of York, m. Anne Mowbray

7) Anne (1475-1511) m. Philip IV (1478-1508) Duke of Burgundy

1) Eleanor (1495-1516) m. Antoine (1489-1544) Duke of Lorraine​

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2) Charles V (1498-1525) Duke of Burgundy 1508, Holy Roman Emperor 1519 m. Elizabeth of Bohemia and Hungary* (1503-1553)​

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3) Maximilian II (1500-1551) Holy Roman Emperor 1525, m. Catherine of Lorraine (1503-1546)​

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4) Elizabeth (1504-1517)​

8) George I (1477-1522) King of England 1489, m. Margaret of Austria (1480-1530)

1) Edward (1498-1504)​

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2) Elizabeth (1500-1544) m. Edward II (1502-1535) King of Portugal (see below/​

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3) George (1501-1510)​

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4) Richard (1503)​

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5) Edward V (1506-1569) King of England 1522, m. Elizabeth of France (1510-1580)​

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6) Margaret (1509)​

9) Catherine (1479-1527) m. a) John (1478-1497) Prince of Asturias b) Manuel I (1469-1521) King of Portugal

1b) John (1500)​

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2b) Edward II (1502-1535) King of Portugal 1521, m. Elizabeth of England (1500-1544)​

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3b) Isabella (1503-1509)​

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4b) Beatrice (1505)​

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5b) Afonso VI (1506-1555) King of Portugal 1535, m. Guiomar Coutinho​

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7b) Catherine (1508-1561) m. John III (1508-1554) King of Spain​

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8b) Ferdinand (1511-1515)​

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9b) George (1513-1548) Duke of Guarda​

10b) Henry (1515-1567) cardinal​

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11b) Anna (1519-1552) m. Charles IX (1521-1562) King of France​

10) Bridget (1480-1517) nun

* Daughter of Vladislaus II of Bohemia and Hungary and Elizabeth of Palatinate.

Great-grandchildren of Edward IV are included on the tree, but without marriages, unless they married people, who also appeared on the tree.

Anne of Brittany?

 

[Jan Olbracht]

Anne of Brittany?

No idea-she'd be headache for Charles VIII.

 

[Zazou]

POD: Charles II has four legitimate daughters.

Charles II, King of England, Scotland, and Ireland (1630-1685) m. Catherine of Braganza (1638-1705)

• Catherine I, Queen Regent of England, Scotland, and Ireland (1662-1717) m. Friedrich August of Hanover (1661-1690) (with issue).
• Henrietta Louisa of England (1666-1721) m. John George IV of Saxony (1668-1694) (with issue).
• Charlotte of England (1668 - 1725) m. Louis, The Grand Dauphin (1661-1711) (with issue).
• Elizabeth of England (1669-1729) m. Frederick IV of Denmark and Norway (1671-1730) (with issue).

 

[Kellan Sullivan]

POD: Charles II has four legitimate daughters.

Charles II, King of England, Scotland, and Ireland (1630-1685) m. Catherine of Braganza (1638-1705)

• Catherine I, Queen Regent of England, Scotland, and Ireland (1662-1717) m. Friedrich August of Hanover (1661-1690) (with issue).
• Henrietta Louisa of England (1666-1721) m. John George IV of Saxony (1668-1694) (with issue).
• Charlotte of England (1668 - 1725) m. Louis, The Grand Dauphin (1661-1711) (with issue).
• Elizabeth of England (1669-1729) m. Frederick IV of Denmark and Norway (1671-1730) (with issue).

The dauphin was betrothed to his OTL wife from 1666-68 IIRC, so I'm not sure such a marriage would be in the cards. Unless the dauphin is betrothed to Katherine until it becomes apparent that Charles II will have no heir. But even then, with the dauphin being an only son, I don't see Louis XIV going for a girl that much younger.

Just my opinion

 

[Jonathan]

The dauphin was betrothed to his OTL wife from 1666-68 IIRC, so I'm not sure such a marriage would be in the cards. Unless the dauphin is betrothed to Katherine until it becomes apparent that Charles II will have no heir. But even then, with the dauphin being an only son, I don't see Louis XIV going for a girl that much younger.

Just my opinion

What about changing Charlotte and Henrietta’s husbands over?

if not Dauphin how about Maximilian II Emanuel, Elector of Bavaria (1662-1726) this give England three major monarchs of the Holy Roman Empier

 

[Guatemalan Revolutionary]

After the escape and later return of Fernando Condorcanqui and his pivotal importance for the independence of Peru, he was crown as Emperor and took the Regnal Name of Tupac Amaru III.

List of Incas:

Tupac Amaru III. (1821-1837)

Tupac Amaru IV. (1837-1861)

Manco Inca III. (1861-1896)

Huascar II. (1896- 1914)

Tupac Amaru V. (1914-1956)

Yupanqui. (1956-1998)

Huascar III. (1998-2014)

Huascar IV. (2014)

 

[kasumigenx]

Charles II of Britain m. Mariana of Austria(a)



James II and VII b. 1658



Elizabeth, Princess Royal b. 1664



Baltasar Carlos (Charles II) m. Joanna of Braganza(a)



Isabel II of Spain b. 1654 m. James, Duke of York



Maria of Spain b. 1663

 

[isabella]

Charles III of Britain m. Anna of Austria(a)

James II and VII b. 1658

Elizabeth, Princess Royal b. 1664

Baltasar Carlos (Charles III) m. Joanna of Braganza(a)

Isabel II of Spain b. 1654 m. James, Duke of York

Maria of Spain b. 1663

Charles III? Is Charles II for both England and Spain.
Baltasar Carlos will marry Mariana, not a Braganza girl (maybe Philip IV if the dowry is big enough can be persuaded to marry her in a peace treaty)

 

[kasumigenx]

Charles III? Is Charles II for both England and Spain.
Baltasar Carlos will marry Mariana, not a Braganza girl (maybe Philip IV if the dowry is big enough can be persuaded to marry her in a peace treaty)

I made him marry a Braganza girl to silence the Braganzas.