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I’d say Arran or a Brandon boy would make sense for elisabeth, Mary to philipmof Bavaria could be good, tho if she’s srill wanting to marry a catholic then Francis also works.
List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage
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POD: Charles, Count of Angoulume lives until 1526.
King Charles "the Diplomat" IX of France (1459-1526) m. Louise of Savoy (September 22 1531).
King Charles "the Diplomat" IX of France (1459-1526) m. Louise of Savoy (September 22 1531).
1. Queen Marguerite of England (1492-1549) m. King Henry VIII (1491-1547) [1].
1. Prince Henry of Wales (1507-1528). m. Catherine of Austria (1507-1578). [2].
2. Princess Margaret (1508-1558) m. King John III of Portugal (1502-1557).
3. Princess Katherine (1510-1537) m. King Gustav of Sweden (1496-1560).
4. Prince Arthur, Duke of York (b. and d. 1511).
5. Princess Elizabeth (1513-1574). m. John Fredrick of Saxony (1503-1554).
6. Princess Mary (1516-1558). m. Francis I, Duke of Lorraine. (1517-1545).
7. King Edward VI (1517-1553). m. Amalia of Cleves (1517-1586). [3].
8. Princess Cecily (1518-1531).
9. Prince Charles, Duke of Somerset (1521-1571) m. Katherine "Kitty" Howard (1523-1582).
2. King Francis of France (1494-1547) m. Queen Claude of France (1499-1524) (a). Isabella of Navarre (1512-1555). (b).
1a. Dauphin Francis of Brittany (1518-1536).
2a. King Charles of France (1519-1559) m. Christina of Denamrk (1521-1590). [4]
3a. Princess Madeline (1520-1537). m. King James of Scots (1512-1542).
4a. Prince Henri, Duke of Orleans. (1522-1545).
5a. Princess Margaret (1523-1574) m. Emmanuel Philibert, Duke of Savoy (1528-1580).
6b. Prince Jean of France (1530-1591).
7b. Princess Françoise of France (1531-1588).
8b. Princess Anne of France. (1532-1572).
9b. Princess Isabella of France (b and d. 1535).
10b. Prince Francis (1539-1560).
3. Prince Hugh, Duke of Milan (1497-1535) m. Ippolita Maria Sforza (1493-1521). [5].
4. Princess Charlotte (1500-1523) m. Emperor Charles. (1500-1558).
5. Princess Adele (1504-1559) m. Henry II of Navarre (1503-1555).
6. Prince Louis, Duke of Bourbon (1510-1559) m. Hedwig of Poland (1513-1573). (6).
7. Prince Philippe, Duke of Auvergne (1515-1585) m. Catherine de Medici (1519-1589).
1. When Prince Arthur died, Charles, saw his chance to drive a wedge between Spain and England and he suggested his daughter Marguerite as a bride to the Duke of York. His cousin, King Louis wasn't so keen on the match so Charles had to go behind his back to ensure that his daughter became Queen of England. Prince Henry had his heart set on marrying Catherine of Aragon, but once Marguerite arrived in England in 1506, he soon changed his tune once he laid eyes on his bride. After their wedding and the pregnancy of Marguerite, Catherine was sent back home.
2. Despite being in love with his new bride, Henry longed for what could have been and decided to reenact history by having his son marry Catherine's niece. History was reenacted unfortunatally for all, Hal was playing his Uncle Arthur's role and like her aunt before her, Catherine of Austria was sent home a childless widower.
3. King Edward died at age 46 after ruling for only six years. His son, King Henry IX was seventeen and would rule for sixty years.
4. Obviously Francois is not going to name his second son Henri when his father is standing right there.
5. Died early in OTL but lived long enough to produce a son in this timeline.
6. When King Louis found out that his cousion had gone behind his back, he banished Charles for a while, seperating him from Louise who Louis thought was influencing her husband. Once the couple was reunited they had their thrid son and named his Louis as a way to make peace with the King.
I love this! I've never seen Henry VIII and Marguerite end up together before - would love to see how that marriage played out!
Gustav Vasa was seen by other monarchs as low born usurper, I doubt Henry would let his daughter marry him.
It would have been interesting. Marguerite was extremely well educated, perhaps even more so than KoA. What kind of education would their Royal Children have received?
Marie, Queen of Spain and Isabel, Princess of Asturias (still work-in-progress as always)
Habsburg wank (for the surprise of nobody, I guess)
POD is Mary I of England dying months later than OTL so Elisabeth of Valois married don Carlos as originally planned, instead of his father
Felipe II, King of Spain (b. 1527) married a) Maria Manuela of Portugal (1527-1545) in 1543, b) Mary Tudor, Queen of England (1516-1559) in 1554 c) Mary Stewart, Queen of Scotland and England (b. 1542) in 1560
NOTES:
*ATL Spain include Castile, Aragon and Portugal
**ATL Francis of Lorraine died before marrying, Catherine of Bourbon lived longer and so also Henry II died childless, leaving the Duchy to the eldest of their sisters, wife of the King of England
Habsburg wank (for the surprise of nobody, I guess)
POD is Mary I of England dying months later than OTL so Elisabeth of Valois married don Carlos as originally planned, instead of his father
Felipe II, King of Spain (b. 1527) married a) Maria Manuela of Portugal (1527-1545) in 1543, b) Mary Tudor, Queen of England (1516-1559) in 1554 c) Mary Stewart, Queen of Scotland and England (b. 1542) in 1560
- a) Carlos, Prince of Asturias (1545-1572) married Elisabeth of Valois(b. 1545) in 1559
- Felipe III, King of Spain (b. 1465)
- Isabella Clara Eugenia (b. 1467)
- miscarried son (1468)
- Catherine Michelle (b. 1470)
- stillborn daughter (1472)
- c) Isabella (b. 1462) married Ernest, Holy Roman Emperor (b. 1453)
- c) James I, King of Albion (b. 1463) married Christine, Duchess of Lorraine** (b. 1465) in 1482
- Philip II, King of Albion (b. 1484)
- Mary (b. 1486)
- Charles I, King of Lotharingia (b. 1488)
- Christine (b. 1490)
- Catherine (b. 1492)
- Henry (1493-1495)
- Eleanor (b. 1495)
- Robert, Duke of Gloucester and Ross (b. 1497)
- c) Philip, Duke of York and Albany (1464-1465)
- c) Eleanor (b. 1468)
- c) Alexander, Duke of York and Albany (b. 1470)
- c) John (1475)
NOTES:
*ATL Spain include Castile, Aragon and Portugal
**ATL Francis of Lorraine died before marrying, Catherine of Bourbon lived longer and so also Henry II died childless, leaving the Duchy to the eldest of their sisters, wife of the King of England
I wrote a story where they were married off because Arthur lived an extra five years and Marguerite had an older sister to take her place as Alencon's bride.
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Who tell you who Charles V will exist in that universe?
[plus he must already hate at least my Black Widow TL and all the times I gave Spain and Isabella to Ferdinand instead of him]
To my OTL eyes, Henry VIII not trying annulment be OOC AF, although I suppose that he does have a son......
Ik that this is fanfiction, but why isn't Isabelle of Wales marrying Charles of York?
Liked it BTW.
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Oh no, I’m just saying in general haha. And yeah, I’m sure he wouldn’t like Ferdinand getting Isabella but Charles was a child of the Low Countries, did he really care all that much for Spain?
Thanks! Charles didn't marry Isabella of Wales because I wanted a glimpse of how brutal even TTL's Henry could be in his pursuit of a stable dynasty. Since he had two sons, and was therefore not going to take his volatile temper out on Marguerite, someone else had to be the target of his harsh policy. And I had just read Sharon Kay Penman's Welsh Princes trilogy. I remembered that Edward I had had the Welsh Princesses condemned to be raised in nunneries in the 1280s after he broke Welsh Independence (IOTL as well as in the books, I think) and followed suit with little Isabella.
Edward I conquered a foreign nation, and sent welsh princesses into nunneries, here, Henry VIII is inheriting his own home realm, which has been recently been through a civil war, he really should have married Charles and Isabella. Plus, it's his recently dead brotger's daughter we're talkimg about, no way in hell is Henry going to take out his temper on her, but whatever, it's written and completed already 😜
Not trying to sound offensive, I apologize if I was, just pointing some stuff out. Again, I enjoyed reading it.
Well, he ended caring a lot for Spain and Isabella (who initially he refuted more than once because he was interested in other political matches) was the great love of his life so...
Still I do not have this great live for him so...
I have asked the same and also Mary Tudor’s proposed match to Louis XII here is a nonsense
Tree for Eleanor of Austria, twice Queen of Poland scenario:
Eleonore of Austria (1653-1697) m. a) Michał Wiśniowiecki (1640-1673) King of Poland 1668 b) Jan III Sobieski (1629-1696) King of Poland 1673
1b) Władysław V* (1675-1727) Duke of Legnica, King of Poland 1696, m. Maria Elisabeth of Austria (1680-1741)
2b) Eleonora Zofia (1677-1743) m. Maximilian II Emanuel (1662-1726) Elector of Bavaria
3b) Jakub (1680-1683)
4b) Katarzyna Teofila (1682-1734) m. Karl III Philipp (1661-1742) Elector Palatine
Eleonore Habsburg, twice Queen of Poland
Eleonore of Austria, daughter of HRE Ferdinand III and sister of Leopold I, was Queen of Poland as wife of Michał Wiśniowiecki and then Duchess of Lorraine as wife of Charles of Lorraine. After her first husband died there were plans to marry her to his successor Jan Sobieski, who was urged to...
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Eleonore of Austria (1653-1697) m. a) Michał Wiśniowiecki (1640-1673) King of Poland 1668 b) Jan III Sobieski (1629-1696) King of Poland 1673
1b) Władysław V* (1675-1727) Duke of Legnica, King of Poland 1696, m. Maria Elisabeth of Austria (1680-1741)
1) Jan IV (1701-1761) King of Poland 1727, m. Elisabeth Eleonore of Palatinate (1706-1768) see below
2) Władysław (1707-1735)
2b) Eleonora Zofia (1677-1743) m. Maximilian II Emanuel (1662-1726) Elector of Bavaria
1) Maria Anna (1695-1751) m. Karl VI (1685-1740) Holy Roman Emperor
2) Karl Albrecht (1698-1752) Elector of Bavaria 1726, m. Maria Josepha of Austria (1699-1757)
3) Johann Ferdinand (1700)
4) Philip Maximilian (1702)
5) Maria Eleonore (1705-1713)
3b) Jakub (1680-1683)
4b) Katarzyna Teofila (1682-1734) m. Karl III Philipp (1661-1742) Elector Palatine
1) Karl IV Johann (1703-1756) Elector Palatine 1742, m. Maria Amalia of Austria (1701-1756)
2) Philipp Wilhelm (1705)
3) Elisabeth Eleonore (1706-1768) m. Jan IV (1701-1761) King of Poland, see above
* Unlike Jakub Sobieski, who was born before father's election, ATL son of Jan Sobieski is born as son of the king, thus instead of being named after paternal grandfather he is given common Polish royal name.
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I think Kazimierz would be more likely, Casimira (second name of his dead wife) was the female variation of this and also Sobieski served loyally under king John Casimir (Jan Kazimierz) and Kazimierz is also traditional Polish royal name, which could work better given connection to important people in Sobieski's life. And IOTL, his third son, Konstanty, born during his reign got Władysław only as his second name.
Could be Kazimierz as well, but Władysław is good choice too, he is also likely to be given Leopold as second name, after uncle, who may be also his godfather.
Yes, but Sobieski had no Władysławs to whom he was connected to.