Well, if Jogaila has adult son to continue the war (tho a lot depends on his personality) I can see Poland getting sea access back earlier than it did IOTL (so Danzing and eastern Pomerania returning sooner), tho the bigger prize would be to force full annexation of Lithuania to Poland after Sigismund Kęstutatis death (something which was stipulated by 1385 Krewo act, 1413 Horodło act and in 1432 Grodno act), as OTL Vladislaus III wanted (he sent his brother, Casimir to Lithuania essentially to serve as his general-governor there, equal with governors sent by him to Lesser Poland and Greater Poland).
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Well, if Jogaila has adult son to continue the war (tho a lot depends on his personality) I can see Poland getting sea access back earlier than it did IOTL (so Danzing and eastern Pomerania returning sooner), tho the bigger prize would be to force full annexation of Lithuania to Poland after Sigismund Kęstutatis death (something which was stipulated by 1385 Krewo act, 1413 Horodło act and in 1432 Grodno act), as OTL Vladislaus III wanted (he sent his brother, Casimir to Lithuania essentially to serve as his general-governor there, equal with governors sent by him to Lesser Poland and Greater Poland).
I had Eric support the Hussite's siege of Danzig so it'll probably be returned in my TL.
Interesting... would that be a practical possibility though?
Well, Poland alone facing off TO and Lithuania still managed to impose malleable prince (Sigismund Kęstutatis) who agreed to exactly that, so if TTL's Vladislaus III is not entangled in Hungary, I'd say it's somewhat manageable.
But Kęstutaitis himself tried to backstabb Vladislaus at first opportunity and looked for alliance with Albert Habsburg.
Yeah, still doesn't change the fact that Poland (thanks to very divisive nature of Lithuanian politics) was able to beat Lithuania in conflict + Habsburg was occupied with Turks, so if hypothetically, Vladislaus would go to war with Kęstutatis while Habsburg was alive, Vladislaus would probably win.
But what would it mean? Lithuania being reduced to one of many Polish provinces rather than the two being unified by a personal union?
I don't think it was possible. In the end the King would need compromise with Lithuanians or he'd face endless revolt.
Well, the reduced to one of many provinces state was the aim of Vladislaus III, tho the "compromise" is also possible with Lithuania giving up Volhynia, Podolia and Podlachia and Kiev land (IOTL in 1430s envoys from Kiev land petitioned to be joined to Poland directly) and the rest remaining as vassal state of Poland.
Well, one could say the same about Halych (with even older tradition of statehood than Lithuania) and yet it was conquered (it was also part of Ruthenia relatively untouched by Tatar raids), and there could also be compromise as I pointed out earlier.
I think if Jadwiga lives in the OTL scenario, she will marry the King of Cyprus who is her alternate fiance to the Hohenzollern, so she would not be able to press any claim of hers.
Unlikely, I know, but...
Stephen of Blois (1096-1154 ) m.1126 Matilda, Holy Roman Empress (1102-1167)
1) Henry II (b.1127) m. Constance de Penthievre (b.1140)
2) Adela (1128-1134)
3) Matilda (b.1130) m. Henry, Earl of Huntingdon (b.1114)
4) William (b.1133)
5) Robert, Lord of Ireland (b.1135) m Aoife of Leinster (b.1145)
6) Isabelle (b.1137) m. Floris III, Count of Holland (b.1141)
7) Baldwin (1138-1142)
Stephen of Blois (1096-1154 ) m.1126 Matilda, Holy Roman Empress (1102-1167)
1) Henry II (b.1127) m. Constance de Penthievre (b.1140)
2) Adela (1128-1134)
3) Matilda (b.1130) m. Henry, Earl of Huntingdon (b.1114)
4) William (b.1133)
5) Robert, Lord of Ireland (b.1135) m Aoife of Leinster (b.1145)
6) Isabelle (b.1137) m. Floris III, Count of Holland (b.1141)
7) Baldwin (1138-1142)
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WI: The Boleyn Prince. Anne Boleyn bears a son in 1536 but he predeceases his father.
Henry VIII, King of England, France, and Ireland (b. 1491, d. 1547) m. Catalina of Aragon (b. 1485, d. 1536) in 1509, ann. 1532, had issue (a); Anne Boleyn (b. c. 1501 or 1507, d. 1562) in 1533, had issue (b); had illegitimate issue by Elizabeth “Bessie” Blount (b. c. 1498-1501, d. ?) (c)
[1] Mary lives out the rest of her life as Lady Mary Fitzroy, the King’s illegitimate daughter. She is never permitted to marry or reproduce, as that would be folly on part of the Boleyns and their faction, but at the very least repairs her relationship with her father and is friendly with her younger half siblings.
[2] Fitzroy serves as regent during Elizabeth’s minority, as the senior most male of royal descent.
[3] John and Elizabeth are betrothed quite early and it is decided to keep their engagement in place even after the deaths of both the Prince of Wales and King Henry VIII.
[4] Robert IV is the younger son of James V of Scotland and Marie of Guise - here he survives the 1541 illness while his older brother, the Duke of Rothesay, still dies.
[5] Named more for St. Thomas à Becket, on whose feast day he is born, than for his mother’s father and uncle.
Henry VIII, King of England, France, and Ireland (b. 1491, d. 1547) m. Catalina of Aragon (b. 1485, d. 1536) in 1509, ann. 1532, had issue (a); Anne Boleyn (b. c. 1501 or 1507, d. 1562) in 1533, had issue (b); had illegitimate issue by Elizabeth “Bessie” Blount (b. c. 1498-1501, d. ?) (c)
1a) Stillborn daughter (b. and d. January 1510)
2a) Henry, Duke of Cornwall (b. January 1511, d. February 1511)
3a) Stillborn son (b. and d. September 1513)
4a) Stillborn son (b. and d. November 1514)
5a) Mary (b. February 1516, d. 1558) [1]
6a) Stillborn daughter (b. and d. November 1518)
7c) Henry Fitzroy, Duke of Richmond and Somerset (b. June 1519, d. 1572) [2] m. Mary Howard (b. 1519, d. ?) in 1534, had issue
8b) Elizabeth, Queen of England, France, and Ireland (b. September 1533, d. 1603) m. John, Lord of the Netherlands (b. 1534, d. ?) [3] in 1549, had issue
9b) Edward, Prince of Wales (b. July 1536, d. November 1546)
10b) Anne (b. December 1537, d. 1598) m. Frederick II, King of Denmark (b. 1534, d. 1588) in 1551, had issue
11b) Margaret (b. July 1539, d. 1568) m. Robert IV, King of Scots (b. 1541, d. 1602) [4] in 1558, had issue
12b) Thomas, Duke of York (b. December 1541, d. October 1544) [5]
[1] Mary lives out the rest of her life as Lady Mary Fitzroy, the King’s illegitimate daughter. She is never permitted to marry or reproduce, as that would be folly on part of the Boleyns and their faction, but at the very least repairs her relationship with her father and is friendly with her younger half siblings.
[2] Fitzroy serves as regent during Elizabeth’s minority, as the senior most male of royal descent.
[3] John and Elizabeth are betrothed quite early and it is decided to keep their engagement in place even after the deaths of both the Prince of Wales and King Henry VIII.
[4] Robert IV is the younger son of James V of Scotland and Marie of Guise - here he survives the 1541 illness while his older brother, the Duke of Rothesay, still dies.
[5] Named more for St. Thomas à Becket, on whose feast day he is born, than for his mother’s father and uncle.
WI: The Seymour princess. Edward VI has a twin sister who stays legitimate and therefore takes the throne ahead of her older half-sisters. Also, Anne Stanhope died in childbirth.
Henry VIII m. Katherine of Aragon (a) Anne Boleyn (b) Jane Seymour (c)
1a) Mary (1516-1558) m. Edward Seymour (1500-1552)
2b) Elizabeth (1533-1603) m. Robert Dudley (1532-1588)
3c) Edward VI (1537-1553) never married
4c) Jane I (1537-1611) m. John of Austria (1537-1609) [1]
[1] Surviving son of Charles V and Isabella of Portugal
Henry VIII m. Katherine of Aragon (a) Anne Boleyn (b) Jane Seymour (c)
1a) Mary (1516-1558) m. Edward Seymour (1500-1552)
2b) Elizabeth (1533-1603) m. Robert Dudley (1532-1588)
3c) Edward VI (1537-1553) never married
4c) Jane I (1537-1611) m. John of Austria (1537-1609) [1]
[1] Surviving son of Charles V and Isabella of Portugal
John would become John II by right of his wife or just a consort?
Henry VIII d. 1547 m. Catherine of Aragon d. 1518(a) Elizabeth Blount d. 1520(b) Anne Boleyn d. 1536(c) Jane Seymour(d)
1a. Mary b. 1516
2a. Catherine[1] b. 1518
3b. Henry, Prince of Wales b. 1519 d. 1536
4b. Margaret[2] b. 1520
5c. Elizabeth b. 1533
6d. Edward VI b. 1537 d. 1553
1. She survives but not her mother ITTL.
2. OTL Elizabeth Tailboys
1a. Mary b. 1516
2a. Catherine[1] b. 1518
3b. Henry, Prince of Wales b. 1519 d. 1536
4b. Margaret[2] b. 1520
5c. Elizabeth b. 1533
6d. Edward VI b. 1537 d. 1553
1. She survives but not her mother ITTL.
2. OTL Elizabeth Tailboys
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I'm still debating. After all, he'd be king of his own lands...
Why wouldn't her name be Elizabeth?
I changed it to avoid the name of Elizabeth, daughter of Anne Boleyn to be different.
Unluckily they are too closely related for being a much viable match and that without counting the timing
He would be John II of England as King jure-uxoris or Consort. He can have little to no power, like his brother in OTL, but would surely get the title
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Timing I concede, although all it takes is the Emperor dying a year or so early - Stephen only married in 1125 anyway - but you'd think that if the stability of England depended on it, they could get a dispensation. It's not like they're first cousins...
But I do concede it would never have happened. I just wanted to play with it.
Yes they are? Matilda’s father was the brother of Stephen’s mother