List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage II

[kasumigenx]

Louis VII m. Eleanor of Aquitaine(a) Constance of Castile(b) Eleanor of Vermandois(c)
1a. Marie, Duchess of Aquitaine b. 1145 m. Raymond V of Toulouse
2a. Alix of France b. 1150 m. Alfonso VIII of Castile
3b. Margaret of France b. 1158 m.?
4b. Alix of France b. 1160 m.?
5c. Philip II of France b. 1165 m. Isabella of Hainault
6c. Eleanor of France b. 1170 m.?

 

[isabella]

Louis VII m. Eleanor of Aquitaine(a) Constance of Castile(b) Eleanor of Vermandois(c)
1a. Marie, Duchess of Aquitaine b. 1145 m. Raymond V of Toulouse
2a. Alix of France b. 1150 m. Alfonso VIII of Castile
3b. Margaret of France b. 1158 m.?
4b. Alix of France b. 1160 m.?
5c. Philip II of France b. 1165 m. Isabella of Hainault
6c. Eleanor of France b. 1170 m.?

Far likelier. One of Louis‘ daughters would still marry Henry II‘s ATL son

 

[Kynan]

Scenario: Edward the Black Prince marries the daughter of the Duke of Brabant.

Edward, Prince of Wales (b.1330: d.1376) m. Margaret of Brabant (1323: d.1370) (a), Joan Holland (b.1350: d.1384) (b)

1a) Mary of Caen, Duchess of Brabant (b.1346: d.1385) m. Philip I, Duke of Burgundy (b.1346: d.1361) (a), Philip, Duke of Touraine (b.1342: d.1404) (b)​

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1a) Joan I, Duchess of Burgundy (b.1361)​

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2a) John, Duke of Touraine and Brabant (b.1366)​

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3a) Philip of Touraine (b.1368: d.1369)​

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4a) Stillborn Son (c.1370)​

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5a) Margaret of Touraine (b.1375)​

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2a) Edward of Calais (b.1347: d.1348)​

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3a) Stillborn Son (c.1349)​

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4a) Edmund of Winchelsea (b.1351: d.1351)​

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5a) Philippa of Bordeaux (b.1355: d.1427) m. Peter IV, King of Aragon (b.1319: d.1387) (a)​

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- had no issue​

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6a) Stillborn Son (c.1356)​

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7a) Edward of Bordeaux, Prince of Wales (b.1358: d.1377) m. Marie, Princess of Navarre (b.1360: d.1400) (a)​

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1a) Stillborn Son (c.1376)​

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8a) Elizabeth of Berkhamsted (b.1363: d.1438) m. Charles III, King of Navarre (b.1361: d.1425) (a)​

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1a) Charles IV, King of Navarre (b.1385)​

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2a) John, Prince of Navarre (b.1390)​

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3a) Louis, Prince of Navarre (b.1394)​

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9a) Joan of Angoulême (b.1364: d.1385) m. Wenceslaus of Luxembourg, King of Bohemia and Germany (b.1361: d.1419) (a)​

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1a) Miscarriage (c.1378)​

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2a) Stillborn Son (c.1382)​

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10a) Stillborn Son (c.1366)​

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11b) John II, King of England (b.1372: d.1399) m. Elisabetta Visconti (b.1374: d.1432) (a)​

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1a) Edmund I, King of England (b.1392)​

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2a) Elizabeth, Princess of England (b.1394)​

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3a) Henry, Duke of York (b.1395)​

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4a) Catherine, Princess of England (b.1396: d.1400)​

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5a) Bernard, Duke of Cambridge (b.1397)​

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6a) Joan, Princess of England (b.1399)​

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12b) Stillborn Daughter (c.1373)​

 

[Kynan]

Scenario: Surviving Philip I of Burgundy.

Philip I, Duke of Burgundy (b.1346: d.1429) m. Margaret III, Countess of Flanders (b.1350: d.1405) (a), Isabelle of Bourbon (b.1384: d.1451) (b)

1a) Philip of Burgundy, Count of Auvergne (b.1367: d.1370)​

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2a) Margaret of Burgundy (b.1369: d.1381)​

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3a) John of Burgundy, Count of Auvergne (b.1370: d.1383)​

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4a) Odo, Count of Auvergne (b.1372: d.1404) m. Joanna of Bar (c.1370: d.1392) (a), Constance Holland (b.1387: d.1437) (b)​

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1a) Isabella of Burgundy (b.1388)​

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2a) Charlotte of Burgundy (b.1390)​

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3a) Joan of Burgundy (b.1392)​

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4a) Stillborn Son (c.1393)​

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5b) Odo V, Duke of Burgundy (b.1403)​

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6b) Marie of Burgundy (b.1404)​

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5a) Joan of Burgundy (b.1374: d.1397) m. Louis II, Duke of Anjou (b.1377: d.1417) (a)​

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1a) Margaret of Anjou (b.1395)​

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2a) Catherine of Anjou (b.1396)​

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6a) Francis of Burgundy (b.1375: d.1375)​

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7a) Blanche of Burgundy (b.1377: d.1379)​

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8a) Robert, Count of Artois (b.1380: d.1404) m. Catherine, Princess of France (b.1378: d.1388) (a), Joanna II, Queen of Naples (b.1371: d.1435) (b)​

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- had no issue​

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9a) Louis of Burgundy (b.1382: d.1388)​

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10a) Nicole of Burgundy (b.1385: d.1432) m. Ferdinand I, King of Aragon (b.1380: d.1416) (a)​

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1a) Eleanor, Infanta of Aragon (b.1404)​

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2a) Sancho IV, King of Aragon (b.1405)​

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3a) Beatrice, Infanta of Aragon (b.1407)​

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4a) Alfonso, Duke of Villena (b.1410)​

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5a) Peter, Duke of Noto (b.1412)​

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11a) Rene of Burgundy (b.1386: d.1388)​

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12a) Marie of Burgundy (b.1388: d.1389)​

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13a) Yolande of Burgundy (b.1390: d.1475) m. Martin I, King of Aragon (b.1356: d.1410) (a), John I, King of Portugal (b.1457: d.1433) (b)​

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1a) Isabella, Infanta of Aragon (b.1409)​

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- had no issue by second husband​

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14b) Alan of Burgundy, Count of Auvergne (b.1408: d.1422)​

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15b) Isabelle of Burgundy (b.1410: d.1413)​

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16b) Hugh of Burgundy, Count of Boulogne (b.1412: d.1430) m. Isabelle of Brittany (b.1411: d.1442) (a)​

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1a) Eleanor, Countess of Boulogne (b.1429)​

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17b) Anne of Burgundy (b.1413: d.1413)​

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18b) Charles of Burgundy, Cardinal-Prince (b.1416: d.1499) p. Unknown Mistress/es (a)​

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1a) Agnes of Burgundy (c.1450)​

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2a) Robert of Burgundy (c.1455)​

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3a) Nicholas of Burgundy (c.1464)​

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4a) Francis of Burgundy (c.1466)​

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5a) Joanna of Burgundy (c.1471)​

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6a) Louis of Burgundy (c.1472)​

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7a) Isabelle of Burgundy (c.1475)​

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8a) Roland of Burgundy (c.1480)​

 

[isabella]

An updated version of my Empress Isabella Clara Eugenia‘s trees

As usual WIP, POD is Philip II deciding to not waste time in marrying Isabella and so she married her cousin Ernest with the Netherlands as dowry

Ernest I of Austria, Holy Roman Emperor (b.1553) married Isabella Clara Eugenia of Austria-Spain (b. 1566) in 1584

1. Maximilian III, Holy Roman Emperor (b. 1585) married Magdalene of Bavaria (b. 1587) in 1603
2. Archduchess Isabella (b. 1586) married John Wilhem, Duke of Jülich-Cleves-Berg (b. 1562) in 1602*
3. Ferdinand I, King of Poland and Hungary (b. 1587) married Constance of Austria-Styria (b. 1588)
4. Archduchess Maria (b. 1589) married Maximilian I, Duke of Bavaria (b. 1573) in 1605
5. Archduke Philip (b.1590), Grandmaster of Teutonic Order
6. Archduchess Anna (b. 1592) married ?
7. Archduke Karl (b. 1594), Archduke of Further Austria
8. Archduchess Magdalena (1596-1608)
9. Archduke Ernest (b. 1598), Cardinal
10. Archduchess Eleanor (b. 1601) married Charles I, King of England (b. 1600)

Charles III, Duke of Lorraine (b. 1543) married Claude of Valois (1547-1575) in 1559

1. Henry II, Duke of Lorraine (b. 1563) married Eleanor of Austria (b. 1568)
2. Christina (b. 1565) married Ferdinando I de Medici, Grand Duke of Tuscany (b. 1549)
3. Charles, Cardinal of Lorraine (b. 1567)
4. Antonia of Lorraine (b. 1568) married Charles, Duke of Guise (b. 1571)
5. Anne of Lorraine (1569-1576)
6. Francis, Count of Vaudémont (b. 1572) married Christina of Salm (b. 1575)
7. Catherine of Lorraine (b. 1573), Abbess of Remiremont
8. Elisabeth of Lorraine (1574-1504) married Maximilian I, Duke of Bavaria (b. 1573)
9. Claude of Lorraine (1575-1576)

NOTES: Jakobea of Baden here died in 1600

@VVD0D95 thanks fior having inspired me to work again on this scenario

Expanding a little this scenario
Charles II, Archduke of Inner Austria (b. 1540) married Maria Anna of Bavaria (b. 1551) in 1571

1. Ferdinand (1572)
2. Anna (b. 1573) married Cesare d’Este, Duke of Ferrara and Modena (b. 1562)
3. Maria Christina (b. 1574) married Sigismund Báthory, Prince of Transylvania (b. 1573)
4. Catherine Renata (b. 1576) married Ranuccio I Farnese, Duke of Parma (b. 1569)
5. Elisabeth (1577–1595) married Philip III, King of Spain (b. 1578)
6. Ferdinand, Archduke of Inner Austria (b. 1578) married Maria Anna of Bavaria (b. 1574)
7. Charles (1579-1580)
8. Gregoria Maximiliana (1581-1597)
9. Eleanor (b. 1582) married Francesco Maria della Rovere, Duke of Urbino (b. 1549)
10. Maximilian Ernest (b. 1583), Coadjutor of the Teutonic Order
11. Margaret (b. 1584) married Philip III, King of Spain (b. 1578)
12. Leopold (b. 1586), Bishop of Passau and Strasbourg
13. Constance (b. 1588) married Ferdinand I, King of Poland and Hungary (b. 1587)
14. Maria Magdalena (b. 1589) married Cosimo II, GrandDuke of Tuscany (b. 1590)
15. Charles (b. 1590), Bishop of Wroclaw and Brixen

 

[Jan Olbracht]

Anna of Cili (d. 1416), m. Vladislaus II Jogaila (d. 1434) Grand Duke of Lithuania, King of Poland

1) Hedwig (1408-1431) m. Bogislaw IX (1405-1446) Duke of Pomerania

1) Bogislaw X (1428-1463) Duke of Pomerania, m. Anna of Saxony (1437-1512)​

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2) Barnim IX (1429-1481) Duke of Pomerania, m. Ursula of Brandenburg (1450-1508)​

2) Vladislaus III (1411-1467) King of Poland, m. Catherine of Saxony (1421-1476)

1) Hedwig (1439-1491) m. Ladislaus V (1440-1457) King of Bohemia and Hungary​

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2) Anna (1441)​

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3) Vladislaus IV (1443-1500) King of Poland 1467, m. Margaret of Brandenburg (1453-1509)​

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4) Casimir (1444-1482) Duke of Volhynia, m. Anna of Mazovia (1450-1480)​

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5) Anna (1448-1450)​

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@Atterdag here you have scenario, where Jogaila has nothing against Hedwig's marriage. And reason for this is her ATL full brother with Piast blood.

 

[ordinarylittleme]

A successful Rough Wooing

Edward VI, King of England (1537-1560) m. Mary, Queen of Scots (1542-1595)

1) Henry IX & I, King of England and Scotland (1556-1619) m. Sophie of Mecklenburg-Güstrow (1557-1631)​

2) Margaret, Princess of England and Scotland (1558-1622) m. Henry IV, King of France (1553-1610)​

3) James, Duke of York and Ross (1560-1620) m. Joan Shakespeare (1569-1646)​

 

[Dragonboy]

A successful Rough Wooing

Edward VI, King of England (1537-1560) m. Mary, Queen of Scots (1542-1595)

1) Henry IX & I, King of England and Scotland (1556-1619) m. Sophie of Mecklenburg-Güstrow (1557-1631)​

2) Margaret, Princess of England and Scotland (1558-1622) m. Henry IV, King of France (1553-1610)​

3) James, Duke of York and Ross (1560-1620) m. Joan Shakespeare (1569-1646)​

I imagine that Mary Will be regente For her firstborn durango his minority

 

[BlueFlowwer]

Mary of Burgundy is born a son and the House of York have a spare princess.

Jean the Rich, Duke of Burgundy b 1457 m Ursula of York b 1455
Issue

- Philip of Burgundy b 1474
- Isabelle of Burgundy b 1477
- Charles of Burgundy b 1480
- Margaret of Burgundy b 1482
- Jeanne of Burgundy b 1485

 

[ordinarylittleme]

I imagine that Mary Will be regente For her firstborn durango his minority

She could. She'd need to rule Scotland, though...

 

[Wendell]

A successful Rough Wooing

Edward VI, King of England (1537-1560) m. Mary, Queen of Scots (1542-1595)

1) Henry IX & I, King of England and Scotland (1556-1619) m. Sophie of Mecklenburg-Güstrow (1557-1631)​

2) Margaret, Princess of England and Scotland (1558-1622) m. Henry IV, King of France (1553-1610)​

3) James, Duke of York and Ross (1560-1620) m. Joan Shakespeare (1569-1646)​

Why call their son Henry?

 

[VVD0D95]

Why call their son Henry?

Honour Edwards father and the man who ensured the marriage would happen

 

[BoleynBuff]

Why call their son Henry?

After Edward’s father.

 

[ordinarylittleme]

Why call their son Henry?

Edward's father, Mary's great-grandfather...

 

[eliamartin65]

Edward's father, Mary's great-grandfather...

Wouldn't William be a better name? For William the Lion and William the Conqueror?

 

[isabella]

Wouldn't William be a better name? For William the Lion and William the Conqueror?

No way. The boy is a Tudor so will be an Henry

 

[Dragonboy]

No way. The boy is a Tudor so will be an Henry

Maybe Henry IX & I can name his own heir William.

 

[HortenseMancini]

I imagine that Mary Will be regente For her firstborn durango his minority

She could. She'd need to rule Scotland, though...

I can’t see Mary being named regent, England had no tradition of dowager queens serving as regent for an underage king

 

[Atterdag]

@Atterdag here you have scenario, where Jogaila has nothing against Hedwig's marriage. And reason for this is her ATL full brother with Piast blood.

This could be the solution I’m looking for… Mind if I steal it/do an alternate version for my TL?

Also, if Jogaila dies on time and has an adult son to continue the war with the Teutons, could Poland have captured some of the land it did I the thirteen years war early? Especially with Eric supporting them.

 

[Jan Olbracht]

This could be the solution I’m looking for… Mind if I steal it/do an alternate version for my TL?

Feel free to use it