List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage II

Mary of Burgundy (1457-1482), m. Maximilian I (1458-1519) HRE

1) Philip IV (1478-1506) Duke of Burgundy, m. Joanna of Aragon (1479-1555)

1) Eleanor (1498-1558) m. Edmund I (1499-1576) King of England [1]​
2) Charles V (1500-1558) Holy Roman Emperor, m. a) Elizabeth of Bohemia and Hungary (1503-1530) [2], b) Anne of Cleves (1515-1557)​
3) Isabella (1501-1526) m. Christian II (1481-1559) King of Denmark, Norway and Scotland​
4) Maximilian (1503-1564) Archduke of Tyrol, m. a) Magdalena of Saxony (1507-1534), b) Anne of Lorraine (1522-1568)​
5) Mary (1505-1558) m. Stephen VI (1505-1560) King of Bohemia and Hungary [2]​
6) Margaret (1507-1578) m. James V (1507-1549) King of Scotland [3]​

2) Margaret (1480-1530) m. John (1478-1497) Prince of Asturias and Girona

1) Joanna (1498-1556) Queen of Castile, Aragon and Portugal (with Michael) m. Michael of Portugal (1498-1554) [4]​

3) Eleanor (1481-1533) m. Frederick III (1463-1525) Elector of Saxony

1) Elizabeth (1500-1564) m. William IV (1493-1550) Duke of Bavaria​
2) Christina (1501-1556) m. Sigismund I (1467-1548) Grand Duke of Lithuania, King of Poland​
3) Margaret (1504-1579) m. Joachim II (1505-1571) Elector of Brandenburg​
4) Ernest (1506)​
5) Frederick IV (1509-1527) Elector of Saxony​
[1] ITTL Edmund is Henry VII's only son, who outlived him.

[2] Children of Maria of Aragon and Vladislaus II

[3] Oldest son of James IV and Margaret Tudor

[4] Miguel da Paz, obviously
 
Scotland is unlikely, she would've either gone to the Palatinate (as OTL) or to Cleves, depending on whether her father was deposed or not. An English bride for his son and a Scots one for his daughter seems unlikely IMO


Zygmunt Stary specifically wanted a granddaughter of his brother for his son's wife, not just any old archduchess/imperial niece

maybe a surviving Severinus of Saxony/Catholic Moritz of Saxony?



Habsburg treaty of Linz with Bavaria specifically stipulated a match between Ferdinand's children and those of the duke of Bavaria


bishop of Tyrol isn't a thing. And given that the Habsburgs are down the Bohemian electorate, if he goes into the church, he will wind up in whichever of the ecclesiastical electorates (Cologne, Mainz, Trier) goes vacant first*

*Albrecht of Brandenburg, Archbishop of Mainz died in 1545, but he's only 10yo so @Nuraghe can opine on how credible an archbishop the boy would be. Next vacancy is in 1555. Cologne went vacant in 1546, so I suspect he'd have to wait until 1558 for Cologne. Trier went vacant in 1547, then again in 1556. In short, Mainz (and the imperial chancellorship) seems to be the likeliest option

I agree with Kellan, it is highly impossible for a child to be elected and above all recognized both by the local canons and by the Papacy as a legitimate bishop, therefore it is unlikely that the boy will hold this position at that age, it would be more likely if he initially takes the minor votes and by making a career over the years he obtained elevation in the dioceses ( the minimum age was/is around 35 years with at least 5 years already spent as a priest, certainly there were particular cases, with very young people even becoming cardinals in young age, but never under 15 years old )
 
Medici Portugal and Spain:

Giovan Gastone, jure uxoris King of Portugal [as João V], Grand Duke of Tuscany [1723-1737] (1671-1737) m: 1687 [1] Isabel, Queen of Portugal & the Algarves [1688 [2]-1714] (1669-1714)
Pedro Lourenço, Prince of Brasil (1689-1712) m: 1702 Luisa Maria of Savoy (b.1688)​
João (1706-1709)​
Isabel (1706-1711)​
Pedro (1708-1708)​
Manuel [twin of Pedro] (1708-1711)​
Stillborn Son (1691)​
João VI Gastão, King of Portugal & the Algarves (b.1693) m: 1705 [4] Maria Anna, Queen of Spain [5] (b.1692)​
Mariana Luísa (b.1712)​
Isabel Antónia (b.1714)​
Juan, Prince de los Asturias (1715-1718)​
Pedro, Prince de los Asturias (b.1717)​
Margarita Teresa (b.1719)​
Enrique [6] (b.1723)​
Luísa Margarida (b.1694) m: 1709 Philippe VII, King of France [7] (b.1683)​
children​
Ferdinando III Cosme, Grand Duke of Tuscany (b.1698) m: 1715 Benedetta d'Este (b.1697)​
Giovan Gastone, Grand Prince of Tuscany (b.1716)​
Isabella Teresa (b.1718)​
Stillborn Son (1721)​
Ferdinando (1722-1725)​
Carlo Cosimo (b.1723)​
Carlotta Luisa (b.1725)​
Isabel Vitória (b.1699)​

[1] double marriage with her father, Pedro II marrying Sophia of Neuburg
[2] Pedro II dies before OTL João V is conceived
[3] a match between Pedro II's daughter (who died in 1704) and Karl VI was planned OTL
[4] marriage arranged almost as soon as the Bavarians arrive in Spain after Carlos II dies in November 1700. The reason neither France nor Austria objects to it particularly strenuously is because the second son of the prince of Portugal (and earmarked as heir for Tuscany) is an acceptable compromise candidate. Of course, then his brother dies childless and
[5] genderbent Joseph Ferdinand Leopold of Bavaria who obviously survives here
[6] godson of his uncle, Philippe VII and named for their shared ancestor, Henri IV (unlikely, I know, but Filipe doesn't have the best track record in Portugal and it's interesting to note that among their long chains of names, the Braganças conspicuously avoided using it, even when married to one of Felipe V's daughters/granddaughters)
[7] OTL duc d'Anjou. His brother and nephews die as OTL (Mme de Ventadour isn't there to save Louis XV)
 
Mary, Queen of Scots[1] r. 1588 d. 1590 m. Francis II of France d. 1565 (a) Henry IV of France and III Navarre
1a. Catherine b. 1560 b. Sebastian I of Portugal m. Charles II of Spain[1]
2a. Marie b. 1564 m. Rudolf II of HRE[2]
3a. Henry of Navarre b. 1570 d. 1586 m. Isabel Clara Eugenia
4a. Jeanne b. 1573 mn. Ferdinand II of HRE
5a. Louis XIII of France, I of Navarre, I of Scotland, and I of England b. 1576 m. Marie de Medicis[4]

1. She has an older brother who dies without surviving issue who marries her to Francis II of France then to Henry III of Navarre which creates a long union between Britain and France until the British revolt.
2. She is a second wife of Don Carlos.
3. Rudolf decides to abandon the betrothal with Isabella Clara Eugenia.
4. He takes England by force after the death of Elizabeth I of England uniting France and the British Isles under his rule.
 
Mary, Queen of Scots[1] r. 1588 d. 1590 m. Francis II of France d. 1565 (a) Henry IV of France and III Navarre
1a. Catherine b. 1560 b. Sebastian I of Portugal m. Charles II of Spain[1]
2a. Marie b. 1564 m. Rudolf II of HRE[2]
3a. Henry of Navarre b. 1570 d. 1586 m. Isabel Clara Eugenia
4a. Jeanne b. 1573 mn. Ferdinand II of HRE
5a. Louis XIII of France, I of Navarre, I of Scotland, and I of England b. 1576 m. Marie de Medicis[4]

1. She has an older brother who dies without surviving issue who marries her to Francis II of France then to Henry III of Navarre which creates a long union between Britain and France until the British revolt.
2. She is a second wife of Don Carlos.
3. Rudolf decides to abandon the betrothal with Isabella Clara Eugenia.
4. He takes England by force after the death of Elizabeth I of England uniting France and the British Isles under his rule.
Unrealistic on multiple levels
 
Mary, Queen of Scots[1] r. 1588 d. 1590 m. Francis II of France d. 1565 (a) Henry IV of France and III Navarre
1a. Catherine b. 1560 b. Sebastian I of Portugal m. Charles II of Spain[1]
2a. Marie b. 1564 m. Rudolf II of HRE[2]
3a. Henry of Navarre b. 1570 d. 1586 m. Isabel Clara Eugenia
4a. Jeanne b. 1573 mn. Ferdinand II of HRE
5a. Louis XIII of France, I of Navarre, I of Scotland, and I of England b. 1576 m. Marie de Medicis[4]

1. She has an older brother who dies without surviving issue who marries her to Francis II of France then to Henry III of Navarre which creates a long union between Britain and France until the British revolt.
2. She is a second wife of Don Carlos.
3. Rudolf decides to abandon the betrothal with Isabella Clara Eugenia.
4. He takes England by force after the death of Elizabeth I of England uniting France and the British Isles under his rule.
Pretty much ASB, starting with the fact who Mary most likely will not marry Francis II if she had a surviving brother and she would never marry Henry of Navarre who is 11 years younger than her and an useless match for Scotland. Sebastian and Rudolf were pretty much set against marrying and specially the latter very unlikely to marry a French girl
 
Bela III remarries to Constance of Sicily

Bela III of Hungary m. Agnes of Antioch(a) Constance of Sicily(b)
1a. Emeric b. 1174
2a. Margaret b. 1175
3a. Andrew II b. 1177
4a. Solomon
5a. Stephen
6a. Constance of Hungary b. 1180
7b. Euphrosyne of Hungary b. 1183
 
Richard the Lionheart is born female and marries Philip II of France

Jeanne of England b. 1157 m. Philip II of France b. 1164(a)

1a. Louis VIII of France b. 1187
 
A quick little family tree drawn up based on an old CKII game I did once as William the Conqueror...

Robert I of England (1051-1128), married Princess Emma of France (1054-1120) and had issue:

-William II of England b. 1070
-Princess Constance of England b. 1072
-Richard, Duke of Normandy b. 1073
-Princess Matilda of England b. 1074
-Princess Joan of England b. 1077
-Ranulf, Bishop of Lincoln b. 1079
-Princess Margaret of England b. 1081

With his mistress Adela:

-Robert b. 1075. A founding member of the Knights Templar
-Anna b. 1077

With a chambermaid named Joan:

-Edmund, b. 1080. Became Archbishop of Canterbury during his half-brother's reign.
 
A quick little family tree drawn up based on an old CKII game I did once as William the Conqueror...

Robert I of England (1051-1128), married Princess Emma of France (1054-1120) and had issue:

-William II of England b. 1070
-Princess Constance of England b. 1072
-Richard, Duke of Normandy b. 1073
-Princess Matilda of England b. 1074
-Princess Joan of England b. 1077
-Ranulf, Bishop of Lincoln b. 1079
-Princess Margaret of England b. 1081

With his mistress Adela:

-Robert b. 1075. A founding member of the Knights Templar
-Anna b. 1077

With a chambermaid named Joan:

-Edmund, b. 1080. Became Archbishop of Canterbury during his half-brother's reign.
I'm assuming that His younger brother Henry still died without a male heir. Hence why Roberts second son got normandy
 
Another possible tree I'm toying with for Titulus:

Henry IX of England (b.1521) m. 1541 Margaret of Austria (b.1522)

1) Henry, Prince of Wales (b.1542)
2) Margaret (b.1544)
3) William, Duke of Pembroke (b.1545)
4) Elizabeth (1547-1551)
5) Charles, Duke of Richmond (1549-1551)
6) Joanna (b.1552)
7) Alexander, Duke of Richmond (b.1554)
8) Stillborn girl (1555)
9) Mary (1557-1562)
 
Another possible tree I'm toying with for Titulus:

Henry IX of England (b.1521) m. 1541 Margaret of Austria (b.1522)

1) Henry, Prince of Wales (b.1542)
2) Margaret (b.1544)
3) William, Duke of Pembroke (b.1545)
4) Elizabeth (1547-1551)
5) Charles, Duke of Richmond (1549-1551)
6) Joanna (b.1552)
7) Alexander, Duke of Richmond (b.1554)
8) Stillborn girl (1555)
9) Mary (1557-1562)
Looks amazing 🔥🔥🔥
 
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