List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage II

Backstabbing Habsburgs

Margaret of Swabia m. Albert the Degenerate of Thuringia d. 1269(a) Albert I of Germany(b)
1a. Henry b. 1256
2a. Frederick, Margrave of Thuringia and Meissen, Titular King of Sicily b. 1257 m. Elizabeth of Carinthia
3a. Theodoric b. 1260 m. Jutta of Henneberg
4a. Margaret b. 1262 m. Henry I of Brunswick Luneburg
5a. Agnes b. 1264 m. Hartmann of Austria
6b. Anna of Austria b. 1271 m. Charles I Martel, King of Arles and Sicily
7b. Agnes b. 1273 m. Alfonso dela Cerda
8b. Rudolf III b. 1275 m. Blanche of France
9b. Elizabeth b. 1276 m. Andrew III of Hungary
10b. Leopold b. 1278 m. Ryksa of Poland

Note
Frederick of Thuringia decides to ally with the Habsburgs to claim Sicily and marry his mother and sister to the Habsburgs but Kaiser Rudolf decides to backstab Frederick by marrying his half siblings to his enemies and recognize the Anjous in Sicily and give them some legitimacy to their claims to Sicily via marriage, the POD is Albert the Degenerate dying in 1268.
 
Henry VII and Arthur Tudor swap death dates

Henry VII (b. 1457 d. 1502) m. Elizabeth of York (b. 1466) with issue
1. Arthur I of England (b. 1486 d. 1509) m. Catherine of Aragon (b. 1485) with issue

(1a) Elizabeth of England (b. 1503) m. Charles V (b. 1500)
(1b) Henry VIII of England (b. 1505) m. Isabella of Portugal (b. 1503)
(1c) Arthur. Duke of Richmond (b.1506) m. Elizabeth Grey, 5th Baroness Lisle, 3rd Viscountess Lisle (b. 1505)
(1d) Miscarriage (1508)
2. Princess Margaret (b. 1489) m. James IV of Scotland (b. 1473) with issue
(2a) James, Duke of Rothesay (b. 1507 d. 1508)
(2b) Unnamed Daughter (b. 1508 d. 1508)
(2c) Arthur, Duke of Rothesay (b. 1509 d. 1510)
(2d) James V of Scotland (b. 1512)
(2e) Unnamed Daughter (b. 1512 d. 1512)
(2f) Alexander, Duke of Ross (b. 1514 d. 1515)
3. Henry, Duke of York (b. 1491) m. Marguerite of Angouleme (b. 1492) with issue
(3a) Margaret (b. 1508)
(3b) Mary (b. 1510)
(3c) Miscarriage (1512)
(3d) Cecily (b. 1514)
(3e) Anne (b. 1515)
(3f) Henry (b.1517)
(3g) Miscarriage (1519)
4. Princess Elizabeth (b. 1492 d. 1495)
5. Princess Mary (b. 1496) m. ?
6. Edmund, Duke of Somerset (b. 1499 d. 1500)


I'm torn between Mary Tudor either going to France as OTL, or maybe to Denmark. Or maybe she just up and elopes with Charles Brandon. Not really sure what to do with her. And yes, Henry got four daughters before getting his only son. Ha ha ha. Eleanor of Austria probably married Joao of Portugal instead of his father, and poor Catherine of Austria might have gotten stuck as Francis' second wife post-Pavia, assuming Francis still got the throne. Depending on what happens in France, James V either got his OTL marriages or Renee of France.
 
Henry VII and Arthur Tudor swap death dates

Henry VII (b. 1457 d. 1502) m. Elizabeth of York (b. 1466) with issue
1. Arthur I of England (b. 1486 d. 1509) m. Catherine of Aragon (b. 1485) with issue

(1a) Elizabeth of England (b. 1503) m. Charles V (b. 1500)
(1b) Henry VIII of England (b. 1505) m. Isabella of Portugal (b. 1503)
(1c) Arthur. Duke of Richmond (b.1506) m. Elizabeth Grey, 5th Baroness Lisle, 3rd Viscountess Lisle (b. 1505)
(1d) Miscarriage (1508)
2. Princess Margaret (b. 1489) m. James IV of Scotland (b. 1473) with issue
(2a) James, Duke of Rothesay (b. 1507 d. 1508)
(2b) Unnamed Daughter (b. 1508 d. 1508)
(2c) Arthur, Duke of Rothesay (b. 1509 d. 1510)
(2d) James V of Scotland (b. 1512)
(2e) Unnamed Daughter (b. 1512 d. 1512)
(2f) Alexander, Duke of Ross (b. 1514 d. 1515)
3. Henry, Duke of York (b. 1491) m. Marguerite of Angouleme (b. 1492) with issue
(3a) Margaret (b. 1508)
(3b) Mary (b. 1510)
(3c) Miscarriage (1512)
(3d) Cecily (b. 1514)
(3e) Anne (b. 1515)
(3f) Henry (b.1517)
(3g) Miscarriage (1519)
4. Princess Elizabeth (b. 1492 d. 1495)
5. Princess Mary (b. 1496) m. ?
6. Edmund, Duke of Somerset (b. 1499 d. 1500)


I'm torn between Mary Tudor either going to France as OTL, or maybe to Denmark. Or maybe she just up and elopes with Charles Brandon. Not really sure what to do with her. And yes, Henry got four daughters before getting his only son. Ha ha ha. Eleanor of Austria probably married Joao of Portugal instead of his father, and poor Catherine of Austria might have gotten stuck as Francis' second wife post-Pavia, assuming Francis still got the throne. Depending on what happens in France, James V either got his OTL marriages or Renee of France.
Mary to denmark!
 
Charles IX of France lives longer:

Charles IX (1550-1580) King of France, m. Elizabeth of Austria (1554-1594)

1) Marie Elisabeth (1572-1578)

2) Henry III (1575-1600) King of France 1580, m. Elisabeth of Lorraine (1574-1635)

3) Catherine (1576-1638) m. Philip III (1578-1621) King of Spain

4) Charles X (1578-1633) King of France 1600, m. Catherine of Poland (1584-1640)

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Meanwhile his brother Henri stayed in Poland and started another branch of House of Valois:


Henry I (1551-1604) King of Poland 1573, m. Isabella of Sweden (1564-1620) [1]

1) Sigismund III (1583-1626) King of Poland 1604, m. Constance of Austria (1588-1631)

2) Catherine (1584-1640) m. Charles X (1578-1633) King of France

3) Anna (1585-1643) m. Maximilian I (1573-1651) Elector of Bavaria

4) Vladislaus (1588-1593)

5) John II (1590-1654) King of Poland 1626, m. Cecilia Renata of Austria (1611-1661)


[1] Oldest daughter of John Vasa and Catherine Jagiellon
 
Hello all, for this installment we have the genderbent Blanche of France who is instead born Charles allowing for main line of the Capet to continue their rule. I have the idea that OTL Philip VI would serve as regent as next in line for the Throne. Ttl’s Charles V married Joan of Auvergne due to her being a major available heiress. If anyone has suggestions for spouses I’ll happy to hear them other options. Do note that Wenceslas IV is a genderbent Elizabeth of Bohemia and not the otl King.
  • Charles V and II, King of France and Navarre (b. 1328, d. 1378) m. Joan, Countess of Auvergne (b. 1326, d. 1370)
    • Charles VI and III, King of France and Navarre (b. 1345, d. 1402) m. Margaret of Flanders, Countess of Flanders (b. 1350, d. 1405)
    • Jean, Duke of Auvergne (b. 1348, d. 1412) m. Marie of Blois (b. 1345, d. 1405)
    • Joan of France, Princess of France (b. 1353, d. 1308) m. Juan I, King of Aragon (b. 1350, d. 1397)
    • Marie of France, Princess of France (b. 1356, d. 1415) m. Wenceslas IV, King of Bohemia (b. 1358, d. 1385)
 
Henry "I'll make my own church to get a male heir" Tudor is hunky-dory and a-okay with letting his granddaughter inherit and does not even attempt to make one of his surviving sons Prince of Wales?
I suspect his wife and daughter-in-law pulled a lot of rank around to make him okay with it...
The answer here is that Charles would be Prince of wales and married off to his niece
 
The answer here is that Charles would be Prince of wales and married off to his niece
Agreed. Or Charles would be Prince of Wales and married off to a foreign princess (or at least to an heiress like Katherine Willoughby) and little Catherine to Charles’ son (to which she would be married in any case as her only realistic marriage options are Charles, his eldest son or her other half-uncle Edward)
 
Geoffrey II of Brittany m. Constance of Brittany(a)

1a. Eleanor of Brittany b. 1184 d. 1240 m. Peter II of Aragon(a)

1a1a. Agnes of Aragon b. 1205 d. 1235 m. Ferdinand III of Castile

1a2a.James I the Conqueror of Aragon b. 1208 m. Eleanor of Castile(a) Yolande of Hungary(b)

2a. Arthur of Brittany b. 1187 d. 1216 m. Marie of France(a)

2a1a. Isabella, Duchess of Brittany b. 1213 d. 1240 m. John I of Dreux

2a2a. Marie, Duchess of Anjou b. 1215 d. 1280 m. Louis IX



John I of England m. Isabella of Angouleme(a)

1a. Henry III of England b. 1207

2a. Richard II, Duke of Aquitaine, Holy Roman Emperor b. 1209 m. Isabel Marshal(a) Sanchia of Provence(b)

2a1a. Henry II, Duke of Aquitaine b. 1235

2a2b. Edmund, Earl of Cornwall b. 1249 m. Margaret of Swabia b. 1254

3a. Joan of England b. 1210

4a. Isabella b. 1214

5a. Eleanor b. 1215
 
Elvira of Sicily b. 1185 m. Walter III of Brienne(a) Frederick II of HRE
1a. Agnes, Countess of Brienne b. 1205
2b. Henry of Swabia b. 1211 m. Margaret of Austria
3b. Constance of Sicily b. 1212 m. Henry III of England
 
so much wrong with this
7aa. Arthur, Duke of Normandy [1466-1497] m. (a) Catherine I, Queen of Navarre [1468-1517]
Catherine's mother and uncle were the ones to arrange her marriage OTL, no way are they letting her marry English.
8ab. Elizabeth Plantagenet [1466-1513] m. (a) William Herbert, Earl of Richmond [1451-1491]***
Herbert wouldn't have held Richmond. Edward IV gave the honour of Richmond to the duke of Clarence. It would not be granted to the poorest earl in the peerage
9ab. Mary Plantagenet [1467-1482]
10aa. Margaret of England [1469-1471]
11aa. Lionel, Duke of Bedford and Lieutenant of Ireland [1470-1531] m. (a) Anne FitzGerald [1469-1498], (b) Elizabeth Butler [1486-1510]
not sure who Anne is, but I would suggest reversing this. the 7e earl of Ormond had two daughters, one of whom married Anne of York's widower (Thomas St. Leger's brother). Alternately, the 5e earl of Ormond married a Beaufort, give him a daughter around the same age as that Beaufort's OTL girls, and it would be a synch for an Irish match. Or, y'know, just let him marry Anne de Mowbray and inherit Norfolk. No reason why a countess would be wasted on a bastard son.
12ab. Richard Plantagenet, Earl of Cambridge [1470-1521] m. (a) Anne de Mowbray, Countess of Norfolk [1472-1481], (b) Elizabeth Howard [1480-1539]
unlikely that a bastard would be given a title like that. Especially when Edward IV didn't raise his OTL bastards to titles.
13ab. Jacquetta Plantagenet [1472-1474]

14aa. stillborn son [1473]
15ab. Anne Plantagenet [1475-1517] m. (a) Edward Stafford, Duke of Buckingham [1473-1501]****
gonna pre-emptively call this ASB. If Buckingham despised his OTL match with Wydeville, and his son felt he had a better claim than Tudor, why would they settle for a royal bastard? The Buckinghams are the wealthiest noble family in England, they can really just tell Edward to take a hike when he pitches this
16aa. George, Duke of Hereford [1476-1482]
title was part of the Bohun inheritance and made part of the duchy of Lancaster when Henry IV became king, not very likely to be given
17ab. Sir Anthony Plantagenet [1476-1510]
18aa. Matilda of England [1478-1539] m. (a) Juan, Prince of Asturias [1478-1520]
19ab. Catherine Plantagenet [1479-1527] m. (a) William Courtenay, Earl of Devon [1475-1511]
not happening. William's from a distant cadet branch whose only royal connection was that his uncle/great-uncle was Edward IV, then Henry VII's secretary. The heir to Devon would be the son of the half-Beaufort Thomas, 6e earl of Devon, and his French wife, a kinswoman of Marguerite d'Anjou
 
WI: The White Hart and His Young, or a “Full House” for Richard II and Anne of Bohemia @TheBookwormBoy


Richard II, King of England, etc. (1367-?) m. Anne of Bohemia (1366-?) in 1382, had issue
1) Mary (1385-?) m. Olaf II, King of Denmark, Sweden, and Norway (1370-?)​
2) Edward IV, King of England (1387-?) m. Isabella of France (1389-?)​
3) John, Duke of Clarence (1390-?) m. ?​
4) Elizabeth (1392-?) m. Charles VII, King of France (1392-?)​
5) Edmund, Duke of Gloucester (1394-?) m. ?​

Taking suggestions of brides for Lord John and Lord Edmund!
 
WI: The White Hart and His Young, or a “Full House” for Richard II and Anne of Bohemia @TheBookwormBoy


Richard II, King of England, etc. (1367-?) m. Anne of Bohemia (1366-?) in 1382, had issue
1) Mary (1385-?) m. Olaf II, King of Denmark, Sweden, and Norway (1370-?)​
2) Edward IV, King of England (1387-?) m. Isabella of France (1389-?)​
3) John, Duke of Clarence (1390-?) m. ?​
4) Elizabeth (1392-?) m. Charles VII, King of France (1392-?)​
5) Edmund, Duke of Gloucester (1394-?) m. ?​

Taking suggestions of brides for Lord John and Lord Edmund!
I imagine that Henry Bolingbroke will get his rightful inheritence now that richard has heirs.
 
Beatrice I of Portugal and John of Portugal chose to unite successions and no marriage to Philippa of Lancaster.

Beatrice I of Portugal b. 1373 m. Afonso of Portugal b. 1377
1a. Miguel b. 1395
2a. Afonso b. 1400
3a. Isabella b. 1402
4a. Fernando b. 1405
 
WI: The White Hart and His Young, or a “Full House” for Richard II and Anne of Bohemia @TheBookwormBoy


Richard II, King of England, etc. (1367-?) m. Anne of Bohemia (1366-?) in 1382, had issue
1) Mary (1385-?) m. Olaf II, King of Denmark, Sweden, and Norway (1370-?)​
2) Edward IV, King of England (1387-?) m. Isabella of France (1389-?)​
3) John, Duke of Clarence (1390-?) m. ?​
4) Elizabeth (1392-?) m. Charles VII, King of France (1392-?)​
5) Edmund, Duke of Gloucester (1394-?) m. ?​

Taking suggestions of brides for Lord John and Lord Edmund!
I would suggest Edward I of Portugal for Elizabeth instead of a double match with France. Just an idea.
 
Anne Mortimer for him to bring back the original Clarence lands?
That’s a possibility…
I imagine that Henry Bolingbroke will get his rightful inheritence now that richard has heirs.
Maybe, depends on if he still gets himself exiled
I would suggest Edward I of Portugal for Elizabeth instead of a double match with France. Just an idea.
that's a possibility! I went with France because I couldn’t help but think that Richard would want to reinforce that connection
 
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