List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage II

Isabella of England (b. 1332-1382) m Enguerrand VII de Coucy (b.1340-1397)

Marie(b. 1366-1405) m Henry of Bar Marquis de Pont-à-Mousson (b. 1362-1397)
Robert, Duke of Bar (b. 1390-) m Blanca I, Queen of Navarre (b. 1487-)​
Henry, Duke of Bar, King of Navarre (b. 1414-) m​
Marie (b. 1416-)​
Charles (b. 1418-1422)​
Jeanne (b.1422-)m​
Philippa (b. 1425-) m​
Isabella (b.1393-)m ?​
Enguerrand VIII Coucy (b.1367-1412) m Isabelle de Lorraine​
Enguerrand IX Coucy​
(b.1386-) m Jacqueline of Bavaria, Countess of Hainaut (b. 1401-)​
Enguerrand x Coucy , count of Hainaut, Holland and Zeeland (b.1317-) m​
Isabella (b. 1320-)m​
Philippa (b. 1322-) m​
Marie (b.1325-) m​
Isabella (b. 1389-) m Philip II, Count of Nevers and Rethel (b.1389-1415)​
Philip III, Count of Nevers and Rethel (b.1414-) m​
Catherine (1390-1392)​
Jeanne (b.1392-1395)​
Philippa (b. 1396-) m ?​
Marie (b. 1399-) m?​
 
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Isabella of England (b. 1332-1382) m Enguerrand VII de Coucy (b.1340-1397)

Marie(b. 1366-1405) m Henry of Bar Marquis de Pont-à-Mousson (b. 1362-1397)​
Isabella (b. 1487-) m Carlos IV, of Navarra (b. 1487-)​
Carlos V, King of Navarre (b. 1404-) m​
Eleanor (b. 1406-) m Martin II of Aragon* (b. 1406-) with issues​
Joanna (b. 1409-1413)​
Isabella (b. 1412-) m Edward I, King of Portugal (b. 1391-)​
Philippa (b. 1430-) m​
Alfonso V, King of Portugal (b. 1432-) m​
Carlos (b. 1433-) m​
Blanche (b. 1436-) m​
Isabella (b. 1439-) m​
Blanca (b. 1415- 1436) m Francis I, Duke of Brittany (b. 1414-)​
Jeanne (b.1432-) m​
Jean VI, Duke of Brittany (b. 1435-) m​
Isabella (b. 1436-) m​




Robert, Duke of Bar (b. 1390-) m Isabella I, Duchess of Lorraine (b. 1400-)​
Henry II, Duke of Lorraine and Bar (b. 1416-) m Marie d'Anjou (b. 1412-) with issues​
Marie (b. 141:cool: m​
Isabella (b. 1422-) m​
Jeanne (b.1425-) m​
Philippa (b. 142:cool:m​
Anne (b. 1432-) m​







Enguerrand VIII Coucy (b.1367-1412) m Isabelle de Lorraine​


Enguerrand IX Coucy(b.1386-) m Jacqueline of Bavaria, Countess of Hainaut (b. 1401-)n​
Eguerrand x Coucy , count of Hainaut, Holland and Zeeland (b.1317-) m​

Isabella (b. 1320-)m​

Philippa (b. 1322-) m​

Marie (b.1325-) m​





Isabella (b. 1389-) m Philip II, Count of Nevers and Rethel (b.1389-1415)​

Philip III, Count of Nevers and Rethel (b.1414-) m​



Catherine (1390-1392)​

Jeanne (b.1392-1395)​


Philippa (b. 1396-) m​

Marie (b. 1399-) m​



*Only child of Martin, King of Sicily and his second wife, Blanche of Portugal (b. 1384-)
 
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Joanna of Aragon (b.1375-1407) m Louis VII Duke of Bavaria-Ingolstadt (b.1368-1421)

Louis VIII, Duke of Bavaria ,king II of Navarre (b. 1393-) m Beatrice I of Navarre * (b.1392-1434)
Louis III of Navarre, IX Duke of Bavaria (b. 1409-) m
Joanna (b. 1410-) m
Isabella (b. 1412-) m​
Catherine (b. 1415-)m​
Isabella (b. 1495-) m?​
Joanna (b. 149:cool: m?​
Blanca of Navarra dies and Beatrice lives
 
Inspired by @Salma Amer 's tree:

Enguerrand VII, Sieur de Coucy (1340-1397) 1m: 1365 Isabella of England (1332-1382); 2m: 1386 Isabelle de Lorraine (†1410)

[1m.] Marie (1366-1404) m: 1386 Pedro I, King of Navarre[1] (1366-1412)​
Pedro II, King of Navarre (1386-1433) m: 1405 Isabeau de Valois[2] (1389-1437)​
Carlos III, King of Navarre (b.1407) m: ?​
Ana (b.1408) m: 1421 Philippe III, Duke of Burgundy (b.1396)​
Felipa (b.1410)​
Luis (b.1413)​
Maria (1387-1428) m:​
Carlos, Comte d’Évreux (1389-1441) m: 1410 Isabelle, Duchess of Lorraine (b.1400)​
Issue​
Isabel (1392-1396)​
Enguerand (1394-1415[3])​
[1m.] Philippa (1367-1411) m: 1376 Robert de Vere, Duke of Ireland (1362-1392)​
[2m.] Enguerrand VIII, Sieur de Coucy (1387-1438) m: 1416 Marguerite of Burgundy (1393-1442)​
Marguerite (1417-1422)​
Enguerrand IX, Sieur de Coucy (b.1419)​
Isabelle (1421-1423)​
Jeanne (b.1422)​
Jean (b.1427)​



[1] His brother (OTL Carlos III) dies before his release from French captivity in 1381
[2] Eldest daughter of Charles VI, widow of Richard II. The marriage is arranged with the connivance of Pedro's sister, Juana, Queen of England, Philippa de Coucy, Duchess of Ireland- Isabeau’s mistress-of-the-robes- her sister, the queen of Navarre, and her stepmother’s second husband, Ludwig VII of Bavaria (Isabeau’s uncle). With a son to root for, Isabelle of Lorraine accepts the marriage offer from Ludwig VII, where OTL she declined
[3] Killed at Agincourt
 
Something for @Brita @BlueFlowwer and other Ricardians. Hope you like it

Richard III, King of England [1483-1501] (1452-1501) 1m: 1472 Anne Neville (1456-1485); 2m: 1486[1] Anne, Duchess of Brittany (b.1477)

[1m.] Edward V, King of England [from 1501] (b.1473) m: 1490 @isabella of Castile[2] (b.1470)​
Anne (b.1492)​
Isabella (b.1494)​
Richard, Prince of Wales (b.1497)​
Edward, Duke of Gloucester (b.1499)​
Katherine (b.1504)​
[2m.] Richard, Comte de Montfort (b.1493)​
[2m.] Margaret (b.1496)​
[2m.] Francis (1499-1500)​
[2m.] Cecily (b.1502)​



[1] While the match seems “odd”- and causes many unfavourable comparisons with Richard II’s marriage to Isabelle de Valois- France prefers Richard marrying Anne, Edward marrying Isabel than the reverse (which may have been how it was also proposed). This way, while a Plantagenet Brittany will inevitably be the result, it will not be in PU with England
[2] Her first husband dies of the plague before the marriage can occur
 
Richard II of England (b. 1367-1406) m a) Anne of Bohemia (b. 1366-1395), b) Isabella de Valois (b. 1389-1437)

Joan I Queen of England (b. 1383-) married Edward, Duke of York (b. 1373-)
Richard III, King of England (b. 1402-) m Anne of Burgundy (b. 1401-) with issues​
Edward, Duke of Clarence (b. 1404-) married Alice, Countess of Salisbury (b. 140:cool: with issues​
Anne (b. 1407-) m Philip IV, Duke of Burgundy (b. 1396-) with issues​
Isabella (b. 1410-) m​
John Duke of Gloucester (b. 1412-1416)​
Philippa (b. 1416-) m​
Edward, Prince of Wales (b. 1385-1489)​
Anne (b. 1386-) married Olaf II of Denmark (b. 1370-)​
Margaret (b. 1404-) m​
Olaf III, King of Denmark (b. 1406-) m​
Anne (b. 1409-) m​
Philippa (b. 1390-) married Charles Dauphin de France (b. 1392-1410)​
Charles VII of France (b. 1407-) m Agnes of Burgundy (b. 1407-) with issues​
Isabella (b. 140:cool: m​
Anne (b. 1410-) m​
Isabella (b. 1404-) married James I of Scotland (b. 1394-)​
James II, King of Scotland (b. 1424-) m​
Margaret (b. 1426-) m​
Anne (b. 142:cool: m​
Isabella (b. 1430-)m​
Catherine (b. 1432-) m​
Joan (b. 1434-) m​
Richard, Prince of Wales (1406)​
 
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Scenario: Margaret of Austria is enchanted by one Charlie Brandon.

Charles Brandon, Duke of Suffolk (b.1484: d.1545) m. Margaret Neville (b.1466: d.1528) -annulled 1507-, Anne Browne (b.1488: d.1511) (b), Margaret, Archduchess of Austria (b.1480: d.1530) (c), [1] Margaret de Croÿ (b.1508: d.1549) (d) [2]

1b) Anne Brandon (b.1507: d.1557) m. Charles, Count of Lalaing, Lord of Escornaix (b.1506: d.1558) (a) [3]​
1a) Stillborn Son (c.1527)​
2a) Charles, Count of Lalaing, Lord of Escornaix (b.1532)​
3a) Miscarriage (c.1535)​
4a) Marguerite of Lalaing (b.1540)​
2b) Mary Brandon (b.1510: d.1542) m. Thomas Stanley, Baron Monteagle (b.1507: d.1560) (a) [4]​
1a) Elizabeth Stanley (c.1530: d.15XX) m. Richard Zouch (b.1520: d.15XX) (a)​
- had no issue
2a) William Stanley, Baron Monteagle (c.1530: d.1581) m. Anne Leyburne (c.1534: d.1571) (a), Anne Sackville (b.1555: d.1618) (b)​
1a) Elizabeth Stanley, Baroness Monteagle (b.1558: d.1585) (a)​
3a) Anne Stanley (b.1532: d.1591) m. Sir John Clifton (b.1538: d.1593) (a)​
1a) Elizabeth Clifton (b.1565)​
2a) Ursula Clifton (b.1567)​
3a) Gervase Clifton, Baron Clifton of Leighton Bromswold (b.1569)​
4a) Amias Clifton (b.1571)​
5a) John Clifton (b.1572)​
6a) William Clifton (b.1574)​
4a) Francis Stanley (c.1532: d. before 1540)​
5a) George Stanley (c.1535: d. before 1540)​
6a) Charles Stanley (c.1538: d.15XX)​
- had no issue
3c) Margaret Brandon (b.1516: d.1556) m. Henry FitzRoy, Duke of Richmond and Somerset (b.1519: d.1536) (a), Robert Dudley, Duke of Somerset (b.1532: d.1588) (b)​
1a) Margaret Fitzroy, Duchess of Richmond (b.1536) m. Thomas Howard, Duke of Norfolk (b.1536: d.1572) (a)​
1a) Thomas Howard, Duke of Richmond (b.1557)​
2a) Sir Charles Howard (b.1558)​
3a) Sir Edward Howard (b.1559)​
2b) Elizabeth Dudley (b.1552: d.1575) m. George Carey, Baron Hudson (b.1547: d.1603) (a)​
- had no issue
4c) Philip Brandon, Duke of Suffolk (b.1518: d.1558) m. Maria of Guimarães (b.1538: d.1577) (a)​
1a) William Brandon, Duke of Suffolk (b.1557)​
2a) Sir Philip Brandon (b.1558)​
5c) Stillborn Son (c.1519)​

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Robert Dudley, Duke of Somerset (b.1532: d.1588) m. Margaret Brandon (b.1516: d.1556) (a), Elizabeth I, Queen of England and Ireland (b.1533: d.1603) (b)

1a) Elizabeth Dudley (b.1552: d.1575) m. George Carey, Baron Hudson (b.1547: d.1603) (a)​
- had no issue
2b) Margaret Dudley, Princess of England and Ireland (b.1560)​
3b) Anne Dudley, Princess of England and Ireland (b.1561: d.1570)​
4b) Jane Dudley, Princess of England and Ireland (b.1563)​
5b) Henry Dudley, Prince of Wales (b.1565)​
6b) Edmund Dudley, Duke of York (b.1566)​
7b) Mary Dudley, Princess of England and Ireland (b.1568)​
8b) Ursula Dudley, Princess of England and Ireland (b.1571)​

[1] To keep it short and sweet - Charles and Margaret's flirtations become real and in 1515, they secretly marry with her father's (mostly unhappy) permission. In 1516, with an unexpected pregnancy, their union is made public, and later that year, Margaret gives birth to a healthy daughter. After many years of mourning for her former husband and lost child, the arrival of a child is deeply fulfilling for the Austrian Archduchess, who is pregnant less than a year later with a second child - a son named Philip for her dead brother. A third pregnancy in 1519 ends in tragedy, with her husband in Portugal as part of the Archduchess Eleanor's entourage. With two healthy children, Margaret spends much o fthe 1520s absolutely euphoric, although her affection for the Duke of Suffolk wanes as he spends months on end back in England, where he allegedly has a mistress. In 1530, aware her health is failing, she sends her son to be a page to the Holy Roman Emperor.

[2] Despite rumours that the Duke of Suffolk planned to remarry and English woman who had been his mistress, Charles' fourth wife would be one of the girls of his wife's court, who had been left husbandless after his handiwork and marrying his daughter to her betrothed. The match is part of a wider plan to align himself to the region and retain power, quickly dispelled by the arrival and work of Mary of Austria, who he also attempts to marry. The pretty de Croÿ girl proves to be a poor match for the Duke, who essentially abandons Brussels once it is clear his final hopes of marrying his daughter by Margaret of Austria to Prince Hans of Denmark are futile. Despite hopes that the Lady Margaret Brandon, as cousin to the royal Hapsburgs, might marry foreign royalty, he prefers to keep her close to him in England. Margaret de Croÿ is unpopular as the Duchess of Suffolk, especially as she does not enjoy the Boleyn faction through the early 1530s. Furthermore, no children are born from the union, and by 1540 the two are living apart. the Dowager Duchess of Suffolk will later be amongst those Henry VIII of England considers marrying during a turbulent period in his marriage to Catherine Parr, but nothing comes of it.

[3] The Lady Anne Brandon, eldest daughter to the Duke of Suffolk and stepdaughter to the Archduchess of Austria, was considered a strong match for the B-tier of European nobility. Raised amongst the children of her stepmother's court as Governor of the Netherlands, she initially envisioned herself as a grand lady, and battled against the Archduchess Eleanor for the affections of Frederick of the Rhine, who was banished for his flirtations with the future Queen of Portugal, although not with the Mademoiselle Brandon. Her father and stepmother were significantly less ambitious, and in 1522 she was briefly betrothed to one Leonard Grey, brother of the English Marquess of Dorset and a renowned soldier, although the Duke of Suffolk would later have this match halted on the grounds of their alleged relation (his former betrothed, Elizabeth Grey, had been a cousin of Leonard's) after allegations of cruelty leaked to him. Instead, she was wedded in 1525 to Charles, Count of Lalaing, Lord of Escornaix, the nephew of Margaret of Austria's close friend, Antoine of Lalaing. The two were popular and well matched, although they struggled to concieve and only produced two surviving children.

[4] As with OTL. Mary Brandon is left behind in England, and marries at her father's decision, to one Lord Stanley.

[5] Margaret Brandon, as the granddaughter of a Holy Roman Emperor and cousin to several of the most important rulers in Europe, was considered quite the catch. In 1531, upon her arrival to court, there was discussion that the King's betrothed/mistress/special friend Anne Boleyn had demanded her brother's marriage be annulled so that the two could marry. But while Suffolk was interested, a much better match came through. In early 1532, Henry VIII offered to join the houses of himself and his best friend (Suffolk having remained incredibly close to the King) via a match between Margaret and his son, the Duke of Richmond and Somerset. An agreement was made, and in July of 1533 the Lady Margaret Brandon became Margaret Fitzroy, Duchess of Richmond and Somerset. The two were cautioned against consummating their marriage too early, although Suffolk is rumoured to have pushed things along. In early 1536 the Duchess announced her first and only pregnancy, giving birth in June to King Henry VIII's first and only grandchild, the Lady Margaret Fitzroy, who he would later confirm as the heiress to his son's lands and the title of Duchess of Richmond, although not Somerset. Margaret would not immediately remarry, and instead focused on securing her daughter's position. In 1542, she left the court after an argument with Queen Catherine Howard, remaining absent until the King's death in 1547. In 1549 she would marry Robert Dudley, son of the future Lord Protector, who she selected primarily due to his low status and high connections. Her daughter had been betrothed to the son of the new Duke of Somerset (Edward Seymour), but in 1551, she squashed the alliance, feeling the sands shifting as the King begun to show signs of frustration in his maternal family. In 1552 she abandoned court again, pregnant with what would be her second and final child, Elizabeth Dudley. In 1554, she and her still-unmarried eldest daughter would return to court, although her husband stayed in her country estates. Her time as a member of Mary Tudor's court was exciting for both herself and her daughter, as cousins to the new Queen. This, however, would not last. In 1555 the Duchess of Richmond married the Earl of Surrey, who Margaret Brandon hoped to represent a safe choice, should Mary Tudor die without an heir. This seems to have been a choice partially driven by her fast developing illness, as she once against left court before the Christmas celebrations. In early 1556, at the age of 40, she died.

Her husband, Lord Dudley, was allowed to hold 1/3 of her estates in trust for their daughter, although the bulk of her wealth was inherited by the Duchess of Richmond, who had to be pressured into paying an additional allowance for her sister's care. Margaret was not a popular woman at Queen Elizabeth's court, and in 1560, when her stepfather married the Queen, she abandoned England and her three sons by Howard to live on the continent, primarily in Hungary. She returned in 1569, primarily to prevent an alleged match between her husband and the Queen of Scots. In this, she was united with the Queen, who ordered the Duke of Norfolk back to the Duchess of Richmond. When he did not immediately do so, and instead joined a revolt against her, Margaret Brandon demanded herself that he be sent to the Tower of London. Margaret's work to protect her own interests, along with her sons, saved some of the estates of her husband, although she would have to take care of the younger two until her death. In her time back in England, she would act as godmother to Queen Elizabeth's youngest child, the Princess Ursula Dudley.

The Lady Elizabeth Dudley, meanwhile, lived a much less successful life. While she was the stepdaughter to the Queen and cousin to the Hapsburgs, she was also sickly and quite unattractive. In 1568, she was married to one George Carey, and died in 1575, with no recorded pregnancies. In fact, it is said that the Queen deliberately kept her away from her husband. This may not have been out of jealousy, but rather need and care. The young bride was commented on as frail and often ill, so pregnancy may have been seen as dangerous. But she was also a fairly popular member of the royal household, and attended Queen Elizabeth in all seven of her labours, being the first to hold the Prince of Wales in 1565. Her death would hit her father very hard, and she was buried in an expensive funeral. Her husband inherited her estates.

[6] Phillip Brandon's life in Spain was full of potential, and by the time he arrived in England in 1554, a member of Philip of Spain's entourage, he was a popular and celebrated warrior. An English Duke with a Spanish flair, he was considered quite the prize on the marriage market, but news had not traveled to England of his recent wedding. Having been obsessed with marrying a royal Princess, he had set his eyes in the early 1540s on the Duchess of Viseu, only to have his friend, the Prince of Asturias, enter into negotiations with her. Thus, in 1548, he had switched to her niece, Maria of Guimarães. Initially interested in her widowed mother, Isabel of Braganza, in 1553 he had proposed marriage to her eldest daughter, and recieved permission from the King of Portugal. In 1554, they were married, and then joined the Spanish King's party to England. Finally in the land of his title, he reunited with his sister and began work to pull his estates together. He remained in England until 1556, when he returned to Spain for a brief time, leaving behind a pregnant Duchess Maria. She would later return to his side, leaving their son and heir as a ward of the Countess of Surrey. In 1558, she would give birth to a second son in Madrid, Philip, and the two would plan to return to England, as it was rumoured the Queen was dying. Philip would not make it, choking on a fishbone at a meal in front of the King and his wife. After such a tragic accident, many remained spooked. Maria of Guimarães would never return to England, and her eldest son would only see her again in 1580, when he claimed the Portuguese throne.
 
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marries at her father's decision, to one Lord Stanley.
Pretty sure that with her father's position, she would marry differently.


1549 she would marry Robert Dudley, son of the future Lord Protector, who she selected primarily due to his low status and high connections
Why would she remarry? Specifically to Robert? In all likelihood, Gretl is a Catholic (if spirituali sort like Pole). She's also half-Habsburg (aka snob with her nose so high in the air if it fell off she wouldn't bend to look for it :p). Bob is Protestant. Likelier second husband's would be the Earl of Arundel (remarried in 1545). And if a "nobody" is on the cards, Anne Sapcote's son, John Boughton (older half-brother to the Earl of Bedford), is phenomenally wealthy and well connected (wrong side de Vere heir) but not titled.
two were cautioned against consummating their marriage too early, although Suffolk is rumoured to have pushed things along. In early 1536 the Duchess announced her first and only pregnancy,
Unlikely. Henry VIII 's admonition to his son was due to the fact that the Norfolk match came with no dowry* save that Mary Howard was the queen' s cousin. Henry didn't want to spare his son's health (as commonly reported), it was due to him not wanting to complicate matters. If he and Anne had a son in 1535/1536, AND Fitzroy had a half-Howard heir, it would mean the Howard's would have been practically royalty themselves (à la Wydeville/Neville/Stafford). If he and Anne had a daughter, but Fitzroy had a son, it would be a half-Howard male (bastard) Tudor. If he and Anne had a son, it's very likely that he wanted to keep the match unconsummated to prevent complications in annulling it. However, by the time Anne was executed in May, Fitzroy had already begun his decline (poisoning Fitzroy was one of the charges against her).


*while it's often reported that Henry stiffed her by refusing to repay her widow's income, the truth is that that money should've come from her dowry. Given that she had no dowry, that meant he had to pay for her out of pocket. The childless widow of his favourite son would've been an unpleasant reminder at the best of times, especially if her presence was to demand money.
 
all credit goes to @Nuraghe

Cesare, Duke of the Romandiola (b.1475) m: 1499 Margarethe von Österreich [1] (1484-1537)

Alessandro, Duke of the Romandiola (b.1502)​
Camilla (b.1504)​
Giovanni (b.1506)​
Lucrezia (1507-1511)​
[1] illegitimate daughter of Emperor Maximilian and Margarethe von Edelsheim
 
all credit goes to @Nuraghe

Cesare, Duke of the Romandiola (b.1475) m: 1499 Margarethe von Österreich [1] (1484-1537)

Alessandro, Duke of the Romandiola (b.1502)​
Camilla (b.1504)​
Giovanni (b.1506)​
Lucrezia (1507-1511)​
[1] illegitimate daughter of Emperor Maximilian and Margarethe von Edelsheim
Nice! Illegitimate children can have good use!
 
all credit goes to @Nuraghe

Cesare, Duke of the Romandiola (b.1475) m: 1499 Margarethe von Österreich [1] (1484-1537)

Alessandro, Duke of the Romandiola (b.1502)​
Camilla (b.1504)​
Giovanni (b.1506)​
Lucrezia (1507-1511)​
[1] illegitimate daughter of Emperor Maximilian and Margarethe von Edelsheim


excellent Kellan tree, but little curiosity, what the hell is Romandiola ?, did you perhaps mean Romagna ? 🤣😇
 
it's the name of the lands he ruled I've seen in some sources. It sounds weird to me as well


ah ok, now I understand, it was the name that the papal administration ( semi-autonomous ) gave to the region in general, which was usually merged with the exarchate of Ravenna, which was held as a region until 1540, then simply becoming a Romagna legation
 
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Gender Bend of the Trastámara kids (new edition):

Isabel I of Castile m. Ferdinand II of Aragon, V of Castile

1. Juan, Prince of Asturias, III of Navarre (1470-1498) m. Isabella of Naples (a) Catherine I of Navarre (1470-1516) (b)

a.b. Juan, Prince of Asturias (1498-1500)
2. Isabella of Aragon (1478-1497) m. Alfonso, Prince of Portugal

a. Stillborn daughter

3. Ferdinand "the Mad" VI of Castile, II of Aragon, III of Naples (1479-1554) m. Margarita of Austria (1480-1550)

a. Felipe I of Castile, Aragon and Navarre (1498-1558) m.
b. Isabel of Naples (1500-1545)
c. Ferdinand IV of Naples (1503-1526)
d. Alfonso III of Naples (1505-1550)
e. Margarita of Naples (1506-1539)
f. Juan (1507-1562), cardinal
4. Alfonso I, Duke of Granada and Brittany (1481-1528) m. Anne, Duchess of Brittany (1477-1526)

a. Maria of Spain (1502-1531)
b. Francisco III, Duke of Brittany (1503-1545)
c. Alfonso II, Duke of Granada (1504-1559)
d. Isabel of Spain (b.d 1506)
e. Juana of Spain (b.d 1507)
f. Catalina of Spain (1509- 1522)
g. Anna of Spain (1512-1546)
h. Victoria of Spain (1513-1560)
5. Sancho, Archbishop of Toledo and Zaragoza (1485-1436) aff. Maria de Salinas (1490-1539)

a. Pedro II, count of Albuquerque and duke of Noto ( 1512-1549) m.
b. Fernando, Grand master of the Orders of Calatrava and Alcántara Prince of Tunis (1513-1590)
c. Jaime, Cardinal (1514-1574)
d. Louis II of England (1516-1558)
 
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1. Juan, Prince of Asturias, III of Navarre (1470-1498) m. Isabella of Naples (a) Catherine I of Navarre (1470-1516) (b)

a.b. Juan, Prince of Asturias (1498-1500)
A Juan born in 1470 would have been married to Catherine of Navarre right away and given her almost divine fertility, there would have been more then one measly posthumous child.
. Isabella of Aragon (1478-1497) m. Alfonso, Prince of Portugal

a. Stillborn daughter
It's unlikely Alfonso would have died with Isabella having so many brother behind her, so they would probably have more children.
. Ferdinand "the Mad" VI of Castile, II of Aragon, III of Naples (1479-1554) m. Margarita of Austria (1480-1550)

a. Felipe I of Castile, Aragon and Navarre (1498-1558) m. b. Isabel of Naples (1500-1545) c. Ferdinand IV of Naples (1503-1526)d. Alfonso III of Naples (1505-1550) e. Margarita of Naples (1506-1539) f. Juan (1507-1562), cardinal
A male Juana would not have been called the mad as much of her issues was due to being in a tug of war between her husband and parents.

Alfonso I, Duke of Granada and Brittany (1481-1528) m. Anne, Duchess of Brittany (1477-1526)

a. Maria of Spain (1502-1531)b. Francisco III, Duke of Brittany (1503-1545)c. Alfonso II, Duke of Granada (1504-1559)d. Isabel of Spain (b.d 1506)e. Juana of Spain (b.d 1507)f. Catalina of Spain (1509- 1522)g. Anna of Spain (1512-1546)h. Victoria of Spain (1513-1560)
This match would not take place.

. Sancho, Archbishop of Toledo and Zaragoza (1485-1436) aff. Maria de Salinas (1490-1539)

a. Pedro II, count of Albuquerque and duke of Noto ( 1512-1549) m. b. Fernando, Grand master of the Orders of Calatrava and Alcántara Prince of Tunis (1513-1590)c. Jaime, Cardinal (1514-1574) d. Louis II of England (1516-1558)
Would he have been able to wed as an archbishop? And there is no way his son becomes king of England, he's to low ranking for a royal marriage.

None of this is plausible, sorry.
 
Gender Bend of the Trastámara kids (new edition):

Isabel I of Castile m. Ferdinand II of Aragon, V of Castile

1. Juan, Prince of Asturias, III of Navarre (1470-1498) m. Isabella of Naples (a) Catherine I of Navarre (1470-1516) (b)

a.b. Juan, Prince of Asturias (1498-1500)
No way who either Ferdinand II of Aragon or Ferdinand I of Naples would be interested in a match between ATL Juan and Isabella of Naples. Plus Juan has the perfect age for marrying Catherine of Navarre since the beginning (and the match was offered by Ferdinand and Isabella with OTL Juan as groom)
2. Isabella of Aragon (1478-1497) m. Alfonso, Prince of Portugal

a. Stillborn daughter
Pretty unlikely who either of them would die early here
3. Ferdinand "the Mad" VI of Castile, II of Aragon, III of Naples (1479-1554) m. Margarita of Austria (1480-1550)

a. Felipe I of Castile, Aragon and Navarre (1498-1558) m.
b. Isabel of Naples (1500-1545)
c. Ferdinand IV of Naples (1503-1526)
d. Alfonso III of Naples (1505-1550)
e. Margarita of Naples (1506-1539)
f. Juan (1507-1562), cardinal
Ferdinand would not became King here, would not get the match with Margarita and will marry some Spanish or Portuguese heiress or a minor princess from some other country… And he would be Ferdinand the heretic, if anything, not the Mad
4. Alfonso I, Duke of Granada and Brittany (1481-1528) m. Anne, Duchess of Brittany (1477-1526)

a. Maria of Spain (1502-1531)
b. Francisco III, Duke of Brittany (1503-1545)
c. Alfonso II, Duke of Granada (1504-1559)
d. Isabel of Spain (b.d 1506)
e. Juana of Spain (b.d 1507)
f. Catalina of Spain (1509- 1522)
g. Anna of Spain (1512-1546)
h. Victoria of Spain (1513-1560)
His options are marrying some noblewoman/heiress from Castile, Aragon, Navarre or Portugal or the Church
5. Sancho, Archbishop of Toledo and Zaragoza (1485-1436) aff. Maria de Salinas (1490-1539)​

a. Pedro II, count of Albuquerque and duke of Noto ( 1512-1549) m.
b. Fernando, Grand master of the Orders of Calatrava and Alcántara Prince of Tunis (1513-1590)
c. Jaime, Cardinal (1514-1574)
d. Louis II of England (1516-1558)
Like his elder brother he will get either a local heiress or the Church… If he has the religious fervour of his OTL counterpart then he would be a great Churchman
 
Something for @Brita @BlueFlowwer and other Ricardians. Hope you like it

Richard III, King of England [1483-1501] (1452-1501) 1m: 1472 Anne Neville (1456-1485); 2m: 1486[1] Anne, Duchess of Brittany (b.1477)

[1m.] Edward V, King of England [from 1501] (b.1473) m: 1490 @isabella of Castile[2] (b.1470)​
Anne (b.1492)​
Isabella (b.1494)​
Richard, Prince of Wales (b.1497)​
Edward, Duke of Gloucester (b.1499)​
Katherine (b.1504)​
[2m.] Richard, Comte de Montfort (b.1493)​
[2m.] Margaret (b.1496)​
[2m.] Francis (1499-1500)​
[2m.] Cecily (b.1502)​



[1] While the match seems “odd”- and causes many unfavourable comparisons with Richard II’s marriage to Isabelle de Valois- France prefers Richard marrying Anne, Edward marrying Isabel than the reverse (which may have been how it was also proposed). This way, while a Plantagenet Brittany will inevitably be the result, it will not be in PU with England
[2] Her first husband dies of the plague before the marriage can occur
Building on this (suggestions for matches for Anne and Isabella of England welcome)

Richard III, King of England [1483-1501] (1452-1501) 1m: 1472 Anne Neville (1456-1485); 2m: 1486 Anne, Duchess of Brittany (b.1477)

[1m.] Edward V, King of England [from 1501] (b.1473) m: 1490 @isabella of Castile (b.1470)​
Anne (b.1492) m: ?​
Isabella (b.1494) m: ?​
Richard, Prince of Wales (b.1497) m: 1513 Eleonore of Austria [1] (b.1498)​
Duarte, King of Aragon [from 1516], Prince de los Asturias (b.1499) m: 1519 Isabel of Portugal [1] (b.1503)​
Katherine (b.1504) m: 1520 Karl V, Holy Roman Emperor [1] (b.1500)​
[2m.] Richard, Comte de Montfort (b.1493)​
[2m.] Margaret (b.1496) m: 1510 Louis XI, King of France [2] (b.1496)​
[2m.] Francis (1499-1500)​
[2m.] Cecily (b.1502) m: 1519 João III, King of Portugal [1] [3] (b.1502)​
[1] Eleonore and Isabel still exist because I figure it's still likely that Juana and Maria marry their OTL husbands
[2] son of Charles VIII and Margaret of Austria. While I suspect that one of Edward V's daughters will be the more prestigious match, Margaret is one heartbeat away- assuming Anne doesn't remarry, from the Breton throne
[3] while originally the engagements are Karl V to Cecily and Katherine to João, Karl V decides that the daughter of the king of England and the queen of Castile trumps the daughter of a mere duchess of Brittany

@Awkwardvulture @BlueFlowwer
 
Building on this (suggestions for matches for Anne and Isabella of England welcome)

Richard III, King of England [1483-1501] (1452-1501) 1m: 1472 Anne Neville (1456-1485); 2m: 1486 Anne, Duchess of Brittany (b.1477)

[1m.] Edward V, King of England [from 1501] (b.1473) m: 1490 @isabella of Castile (b.1470)​
Anne (b.1492) m: ?​
Isabella (b.1494) m: ?​
Richard, Prince of Wales (b.1497) m: 1513 Eleonore of Austria [1] (b.1498)​
Duarte, King of Aragon [from 1516], Prince de los Asturias (b.1499) m: 1519 Isabel of Portugal [1] (b.1503)​
Katherine (b.1504) m: 1520 Karl V, Holy Roman Emperor [1] (b.1500)​
[2m.] Richard, Comte de Montfort (b.1493)​
[2m.] Margaret (b.1496) m: 1510 Louis XI, King of France [2] (b.1496)​
[2m.] Francis (1499-1500)​
[2m.] Cecily (b.1502) m: 1519 João III, King of Portugal [1] [3] (b.1502)​
[1] Eleonore and Isabel still exist because I figure it's still likely that Juana and Maria marry their OTL husbands
[2] son of Charles VIII and Margaret of Austria. While I suspect that one of Edward V's daughters will be the more prestigious match, Margaret is one heartbeat away- assuming Anne doesn't remarry, from the Breton throne
[3] while originally the engagements are Karl V to Cecily and Katherine to João, Karl V decides that the daughter of the king of England and the queen of Castile trumps the daughter of a mere duchess of Brittany

@Awkwardvulture @BlueFlowwer
I'm curious, why does edward marry isabella jr, who had been betrothed to the prince of portugal since september 1479, instead of infanta juana?
 
Building on this (suggestions for matches for Anne and Isabella of England welcome)

Richard III, King of England [1483-1501] (1452-1501) 1m: 1472 Anne Neville (1456-1485); 2m: 1486 Anne, Duchess of Brittany (b.1477)

[1m.] Edward V, King of England [from 1501] (b.1473) m: 1490 @isabella of Castile (b.1470)​
Anne (b.1492) m: ?​
Isabella (b.1494) m: ?​
Richard, Prince of Wales (b.1497) m: 1513 Eleonore of Austria [1] (b.1498)​
Duarte, King of Aragon [from 1516], Prince de los Asturias (b.1499) m: 1519 Isabel of Portugal [1] (b.1503)​
Katherine (b.1504) m: 1520 Karl V, Holy Roman Emperor [1] (b.1500)​
[2m.] Richard, Comte de Montfort (b.1493)​
[2m.] Margaret (b.1496) m: 1510 Louis XI, King of France [2] (b.1496)​
[2m.] Francis (1499-1500)​
[2m.] Cecily (b.1502) m: 1519 João III, King of Portugal [1] [3] (b.1502)​
[1] Eleonore and Isabel still exist because I figure it's still likely that Juana and Maria marry their OTL husbands
[2] son of Charles VIII and Margaret of Austria. While I suspect that one of Edward V's daughters will be the more prestigious match, Margaret is one heartbeat away- assuming Anne doesn't remarry, from the Breton throne
[3] while originally the engagements are Karl V to Cecily and Katherine to João, Karl V decides that the daughter of the king of England and the queen of Castile trumps the daughter of a mere duchess of Brittany

@Awkwardvulture @BlueFlowwer
What about James IV of Scotland for Anne and Christian II of Denmark for Isabella?
 
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