List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage II

The Next Generation - with Burgundy as @Dragonboy requested

Edward IV (1442-1483) m. Elizabeth Woodville (1437-1492)

1) Elizabeth (b.1466) m. Charles VIII (b.1470)
  • Charles, Dauphin of France (b,1486) m. Isabelle of Lorraine (b.1494)
  • Louis, Duke of Orleans (b.1488)
  • Anne of France (b.1490)
  • Georges, Duke of Bourbon (b.1493) m. Suzanne de Bourbon (b.1491)
  • Charlotte of France (b.1495)
  • Peter of France (1496)
  • Louise of France (b.1498)
2) Mary (1469-1482)
3) Cecily (b.1469) m. Frederick of Denmark (b.1471)
  • Frederick (b.1488)
  • Miscarriage (1490)
  • Miscarriage (1491)
  • Cecillia (b.1493)
  • Christian (1495-1496)
  • Stillborn son (1498)
  • Dorothea (b. 1501)
4) Edward V (b.1470) m. Margaret of Austria (b.1480)
  • Edward, Prince of Wales (b.1496)
  • Margaret (b.1499)
  • Anthony, Duke of Bedford (b.1501)
  • Elizabeth (b.1503)
  • Richard (1505-1507)
  • Mary (1506-1511)
  • Phillippa (b.1508)
  • Lionel, Duke of Cambridge (b.1510)
  • Bridget (1512-1516)
5) Margaret (1472)
6) Richard, Duke of York, Norfolk and Brittany (b.1473) m. Anne Mowbray (1471-81), Anne of Brittany (b.1477)
  • Arthur, Duke of Brittany (b.1492)
  • Stillborn daughter (1494)
  • Anne of York and Brittany (b.1497)
  • Miscarriage (1499)
  • Edward, Duke of York and Norfolk (b.1501)
  • Stillborn son (1502)
  • Frances of York and Brittany (1504-1506)
  • Joan of York and Brittany (b.1507)
  • Elizabeth of York and Brittany (1508-1510)
7) Anne (b.1475) m. James IV of Scotland (b.1473)
  • James, Duke of Rothesay (b.1490)
  • Margaret (b.1494)
  • Miscarriage (1495)
  • Alexander, Duke of Ross (b.1497)
8) George, Duke of Bedford (1477-1479)
9) Catherine (b.1479) m. Phillip, Duke of Burgundy (b.1478)
  • See Burgundy
10) Bridget (b.1480)

Mary of Burgundy (1457-1490) m. Maximillian, Holy Roman Emperor (1459-1519)

1) Phillip, Duke of Burgundy (b.1478) m. Catherine of York (b.1479)
  • Mary of Burgundy (b.1498)
  • Elisabeth of Burgundy (b.1500)
  • Phillip of Burgundy (b.1501)
  • Maximillian of Burgunday (b.1503)
  • Catherine of Burgundy (b.1505)
  • Margaret of Burgundy (b.1507)
  • Lionel of Burgundy (b,1509)
  • John of Burgundy (b.1511)
2) Margaret of Austria (b.1480) m. Edward V (b.1470)
  • See England
3) Francis of Austria (b.1481)

4) Miscarriage (1482)
You're awesome
 
POD: Arthur Tudor survived and become king of England

Arthur I (1486-1531)
m. 1501 for
Catherine of Aragon (1485-1536)

1. Henry VIII b. 1503 m. for Isabel of Portugal (b. 1503)

2. Elizabeth b. 1505 m. for Charles V, HRE (b. 1500)

3. Margaret b. 1508 m. for James V (b. 1507)*

4. Arthur, duke of Somerset b. 1511 m. Anne of Cleves (b. 1514)

5. Edward (1513)

6. John, Duke of Richmond b. 1515 m. for Anne Bourchier (b. 1517)

7. Stillborn daughter (1518)

* First son of Margaret Tudor and James IV of Scotland
 
@happiess , great work, always happy to see some arthur love.

Suggestion, Juan, prince of asturias and girona survives
Juan III of Spain (1478-1519)
m. April 1497 for
Margaret of Austria (1480-1526)

1. Isabel b. 1498 m. for Miguel I of Portugal (b. 1498)*

2. Juan IV b.1499 m. for Eleanor of Austria (b. 1498)

3. Mary b. 1501 m. for Arthur I (b. 1503)**

4. Stillborn son (1504)

5. Stillborn daughter (1507)

6. Ferdinand b. 1509 m. for Isabella of Navarre (b. 1512)***

* Son of Isabel of Aragon and Manuel I of Portugal

**Arthur Tudor died, but Catherine was pregnant and gave birth a male heir

***I'm not sure here , so can someone say something about if this marriage is possible?
 
Juan III of Spain (1478-1519)
m. April 1497 for
Margaret of Austria (1480-1526)

1. Isabel b. 1498 m. for Miguel I of Portugal (b. 1498)*

2. Juan IV b.1499 m. for Eleanor of Austria (b. 1498)

3. Mary b. 1501 m. for Arthur I (b. 1503)**

4. Stillborn son (1504)

5. Stillborn daughter (1507)

6. Ferdinand b. 1509 m. for Isabella of Navarre (b. 1512)***

* Son of Isabel of Aragon and Manuel I of Portugal

**Arthur Tudor died, but Catherine was pregnant and gave birth a male heir

***I'm not sure here , so can someone say something about if this marriage is possible?
Great work! And i imagine ferdinand eventually became king of naples?
 
Gunpowder Plot kills the King.

James VI and I (1566- 1605) m. 1589 Anne of Denmark (1574 - 1605)

1. Henry Fredrick (1594 - 1659) m. ???
2. Elizabeth (1596 - 1665) m. 1613 Fredrick V of the Palatinate (1596 – 1651)
3. Margaret (1598 - 1600)
4. Charles (1600 - 16xx) m. ???
5. Robert (1602- 1602)
6. Mary (1605 - 1670) m. ???

King James ascended the Scottish throne in July 1567, on the death of Mary, Queen of Scots, and the throne of England in March 1603 after the death of Queen Elizabeth. James was a popular King in both Scotland and England perusing a peaceful foreign policy (he signed a peace deal with Spain in 1604 that ended a 19-year intermittent war) and he was a strong patron of the arts and exploration.

On October 3rd, 1605, King James, Queen Anne, and the assembled Lords of the country met for the State Opening of Parliament and there murdered as an explosion ripped through the Lords Chamber. Everyone in the chamber was killed, along with dozens more in the rest of the Palace complex as fire took hold. All windows within 400m of the building shattered causing more injury – Westminster Abbey lost all its stained glass. Debris from the blast, much of it on fire rained down for a 200m radius causing more fires.

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Prince Henry who had been due to attend Parliament was at Kenilworth Castle due to the lingering risk of plague in London. Elizabeth was at Croome Abbey in Warwickshire. Charles and Mary where at Windsor. The conspirators rode though the country spreading the news that the King was dead and trying to rouse the Catholic population to rebellion. They failed. Indeed, many of the countries Catholics where horrified what had been done in their name, and many of the conspirators were turned in by co-religionists. An attempt on Croome Abbey was repulsed.

The news of the mass-murder ignited the Protestant population and arms were taken up against the Catholic minority. Some escaped, but the October Massacre reduced the Catholic population of England to almost nothing. The conspirators ended up surrounded at Holbeche House in Staffordshire, their location betrayed by a Father Garnet, who had begged them not to go through with the plot, and after they visited him during the ‘uprising’ he took himself to Kenilworth Castle and threw himself on the new King’s mercy.

Prince Henry was informed of the death of his parents the same day of the explosion; messengers have run themselves and horses ragged to get the news to Kenilworth. The Castle Chaplin would declare the 11-year-old King. In one of his first acts as King Henry pardoned Father Garnet and ordered troops to bring him the conspirators. It would only be days later, even after being told of the violence against Catholics that King Henry would appeal for calm and order. By then surviving members of the Court had arrived at Kenilworth and work on an official Regency Council had begun.

An extremely pious man, even at 11 King Henry’s reign, born in violence would be a turbulent one, though he would expand the New World colonies, particularly Henricus, as well as patronise art and literature even as he warred against Catholic forces on the continent, and converted Ireland by force.



AN: Unfortunately I am not versed enough in this period to even guess whom Henry, Charles or Mary might marry except they would all be Protestant. James I arranged Elizabeth's marriage and I cannot see Henry or his Regency council breaking that.
 
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Because this idea struck me and it won't go away.

Anne Scott dies in childbirth and Charles II marries Monmouth to his cousin Lady Anne.

James Scott, Duke of Monmouth and Buccleuch (1649-1712) m. Queen Anne (1665-1714)

1) Stillborn daughter (1684)

2) Charles James, Prince of Wales (1686-1687)

3) Henrietta Anne (b.1687)

4) Charles, Prince of Wales (b.1689)

5) Miscarriage (1690)

6) Henry, Duke of York (1692-1695)

7) Miscarriage (1692)

8) Stillborn son (1694)

9) James Henry, Duke of York (b.1695)

10) Sophia Charlotte (1697-1700)

11) Stillborn daughter (1698)

12) Anne Elizabeth (b.1698)
 
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Because this idea struck me and it won't go away.

Anne Scott dies in childbirth and Charles II marries Monmouth to his cousin Lady Anne.

James Scott, Duke of Monmouth and Buccleuch (1649-1712) m. Queen Anne (1665-1714)

1) Stillborn daughter (1684)

2) Charles James, Prince of Wales (1686-1687)

3) Henrietta Anne (b.1687)

4) Charles, Prince of Wales (b.1689)

5) Miscarriage (1690)

6) Henry, Duke of York (1692-1695)

7) Miscarriage (1692)

8) Stillborn son (1694)

9) James Henry, Duke of York (b.1695)

10) Sophia Charlotte (1697-1700)

11) Stillborn daughter (1698)

12) Anne Elizabeth (b.1698)
Does Monmouth succeed Charles II as King of England and Scotland?
 
Juan III of Spain (1478-1519)
m. April 1497 for
Margaret of Austria (1480-1526)

1. Isabel b. 1498 m. for Miguel I of Portugal (b. 1498)*

2. Juan IV b.1499 m. for Eleanor of Austria (b. 1498)
Would marry a surviving Magdalena of Navarre
3. Mary b. 1501 m. for Arthur I (b. 1503)**

4. Stillborn son (1504)

5. Stillborn daughter (1507)

6. Ferdinand b. 1509 m. for Isabella of Navarre (b. 1512)***
If he's getting Naples (not guaranteed, since he'd only be ten when his dad dies and seven when his grandpa goes) I could see an Italian match being considered. Even Isabella of Poland (daughter of Zygmunt Stary and Bona Sforza) might work. Bona's mom originally wanted to marry her to whichever grandson of Fernando El Catolico would be heir to his Italian possessions. Bona would be thrilled that her daughter is not only a queen but queen of Naples
* Son of Isabel of Aragon and Manuel I of Portugal

**Arthur Tudor died, but Catherine was pregnant and gave birth a male heir

***I'm not sure here , so can someone say something about if this marriage is possible?
 
If he's getting Naples (not guaranteed, since he'd only be ten when his dad dies and seven when his grandpa goes) I could see an Italian match being considered. Even Isabella of Poland (daughter of Zygmunt Stary and Bona Sforza) might work. Bona's mom originally wanted to marry her to whichever grandson of Fernando El Catolico would be heir to his Italian possessions. Bona would be thrilled that her daughter is not only a queen but queen of Naples
i toally can see Margaret beign the regent for ferdinand and arranging a council for the reaminging time prior to her death.
 
Scenario: A surviving Anne de Mowbry + Anne of York in Scotland.

Anne de Mowbry, Countess of Norfolk (b.1472: d.1530) m. Richard of Shrewsbury, Duke of York (b.1473: d.1483) (a), Thomas Howard, Duke of Norfolk (b.1473: d.1554) (b)

1b) Henry Howard (b.1494: d.1515)​
- never married, had no issue
2b) Stillborn Son (c.1495)​
3b) Thomas Howard, Duke of Norfolk (b.1496: d.1557) m. Elizabeth Stafford (b.1497: d.1558) (a)​
1a) Anne Howard (b.1517) m. Henry Fitzroy, Duke of Richmond and Somerset (b.1519: d.1536) (a)​
1a) Henry Fitzroy, Duke of Richmond and Somerset (b.1536)​
2a) Henry Howard, Earl of Surrey (b.1519: d.1544)​
- never married, allegedly attempted to court the Lady Mary Tudor, died in the Tower, had no issue
3a) Helen Howard (b.1523)​
4a) Edward Howard, Duke of Norfolk (b.1526)​
5a) Ursula Howard (b.1528)​
4b) Elizabeth Howard (b.1498: d.1530) m. Henry Pole, Baron Montagu (b.1492: d.1539)​
1a) Thomas Pole (b.1520: d.1539)​
- never married, had no issue
2a) Stillborn Son (c.1523)​
3a) Arthur Pole, Baron Montagu (b.1527)​
5b) Anne Howard (b.1499: d.1500)​
6b) Mary Howard (b.1503: d.1579) m. Charles Brandon, Duke of Suffolk (b.1484: d.1545) (a)​
1a) Catherine Brandon (b.1521)​
2a) Henry Brandon, Earl of Lincoln (b.1522: d.1530)​
3a) Thomas Brandon, Duke of Suffolk (b.1525)​
4a) Mary Brandon (b.1526)​
5a) Dorothy Brandon (b.1528)​
6a) Stillborn Son (c.1530)​
7a) Margaret Brandon (b.1532: d.1535)​
8a) Cecily Brandon (b.1533)​
9a) Anne Brandon (b.1534)​
10a) Sir Henry Brandon (b.1535)​
11a) Stillborn Daughter (c.1536)​
12a) Elizabeth Brandon (b.1538)​
13a) Penelope Brandon (b.1539)​
14a) Arthur Brandon (b.1540: d.1544)​
15a) Eleanor Brandon (b.1541: d.1543)​
16a) Richard Brandon (b.1543)​
17a) Maud Brandon (b.1545)​
7b) Stillborn Son (c.1505)​

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Anne of York (b.1475: d.1507) m. James IV, King of Scotland (b.1473: d.1512) (a)

1a) Stillborn Son (c.1493)​
2a) Miscarriage (c.1494)​
3a) James V, King of Scotland (b.1495: d.1520) m. Philiberta of Savoy (b.1498: d.1514) (a), Mary Tudor, Princess of England (b.1496: d.1537) (b)​
1a) Miscarriage (c.1514)​
2b) James VI, King of Scotland (b.1516)​
3b) Eleanor Stewart, Princess of Scotland (b.1518: d.1524)​
4b) Anne Stewart, Princess of Scotland (b.1520)​
4a) Stillborn Son (c.1496)​
5a) Margaret Stewart, Princess of Scotland (b.1498: d.1498)​
6a) Stillborn Son (c.1499)​
7a) John Stewart, Prince of Scotland (b.1500: d.1500)​
8a) David Stewart, Duke of Ross (b.1502: d.1549) m. Quiteria, Princess of Navarre (b.1499: d.1530) (a)​
1a) Francis Stewart, Duke of Ross (b.1521)​
2a) Stillborn Son (c.1523)​
3a) Catherine Stewart (b.1526)​
9a) Stillborn Son (c.1504)​
10a) Miscarriage (c.1505)​
11a) Stillborn Daughter (c.1507)​
 
Mary of Burgundy (1457-1491) m. Maximilian I (1459-1519) Holy Roman Emperor

1) Philip IV (1478-1506) Duke of Burgundy, m. Anne of England (1475-1511)

2) Margaret (1480-1530) m. George I (1477-1523) King of England [1]

3) Francis (1481)

4) Eleanor (1483-1542) m. Wolfgang (1482-1515) Duke of Bavaria-Landshut [2]

5) Charles (1484-1496)

6) John (1486-1545) Holy Roman Emperor 1519, m. Bona Sforza (1494-1560)

7) Kunigunde (1489-1540) m. Vladislaus III (1488-1554) King of Bohemia and Hungary [3]

8) Mary (1491)


[1] Surviving George of Bedford.

[2] Son of George the Rich and Hedwig of Poland

[3] Son of Vladislaus II of Bohemia and Hungary and Barbara of Brandenburg.
 
WIP as usual… Latest plot bunny in my head…
POD is Jacquetta of Luxembourg being able to get Bedford inheritance (as he named her as his universal heir in his will, with just a castle left to his natural son) and keep it while still remarrying to Woodville.


Edward IV, King of England (b. 1442) married a) Elizabeth Woodville (1440-1463) in 1457, b) Eleanor Talbot (b. 1435-1468) in 1464, c) ?
  1. a) Richard III, King of England (b. 1459)
  2. a) Edward, Duke of York (b. 1461)
  3. a) Elizabeth (b. 1462)
  4. a) miscarriage (1463)
  5. b) Cecily (b. 1466)
  6. b) Eleanor (b. 1468)

NOTES: As Jacquetta here has inherited the patrimony of Bedford, who thus can be inherited by her Woodville’s children, and had also been able to monetize the lost French estates, Elizabeth is a much better match than OTL (specially as her father could not only have received by Henry VI the OTL barony but also have it raised to Earldom). Still not good enough to March, but enough to be more-or-less destined to a match with either of Henry VI’s half-brothers. When neither match concretized the seventeen years old Elizabeth ended secretly marrying/running away with the fifteen years old Earl of March (yes, that would be a quite big scandal, for which Edward would take full blame). While Cecily never fully accepted her son’s choice, York would be more amenable as the girl was stunning, devoted to Edward and would still bring decent connections and a good dowry (not what he hoped but still something acceptable) and he was friend of her parents. Things would go more or less as OTL (only the Woodvilles would be on the side of the Yorks) but Elizabeth would soon die for a miscarriage (with great joy of Warwick, who now was free to find a better queen for Edward). Still things would go as OTL with Edward remarrying in secret to Eleanor Talbot while Warwick was negotiating a match for him with Bona of Savoy, sister-in-law of Louis XI.
 
*If most of the the Stewarts died in the plague instead of John of Sutherland and succeeds David II of Scotland*

David III

Original name: John of Sutherland, or John Sutherland

Title:
King of Scotland (1371-1405)
Earl of Sutherland (1370-1371)

Marriage: Joan of Artois (1353-1420)

Issue:
  • Robert II of Scotland (formerly Duke of Sutherland and Earl of Carrick)
  • David Sutherland, Duke of Albany and Earl of Fife and Lennox
  • William Sutherland, Earl of Caithness and Ross
  • Christina Sutherland
  • Joan Sutherland

John of Sutherland was the only son of William de Moravia, 5th Earl of Sutherland, and Princess Margaret Bruce, daughter of Robert the Bruce. As his uncle David II was childless and his cousin Robert Stewart having died of the plague alongside the majority of his family, he was heir to the Scottish throne. His father died in 1370, making him Earl of Sutherland. A year later, David II died and John took the regnal name David III by act of Parliament, with all of his family’s titles merging with the crown. This started House Sutherland’s reign on the throne.



At the age of 27, David III married Joan of Artois (1353-1420), daughter of the Count of Eu and head of the House of Artois, a cadet branch of the House of Capet. This was to strengthen the Auld Alliance and out of acknowledgement from the French that the Earl of Sutherland would also become King of Scotland. This came to pass, as only a few months after they married, he ascended to the throne. They had five children together: Robert David, Joan, Christina, and William.

Not long after he came to the throne, King David was called upon to initiate the Auld Alliance. He sent four thousand men under the command of John Dunbar, Earl of Moray and his cousin Nicholas Sutherland, 1st Lord of Duffus, to France and they aided the French during John of Gaunt’s chevauchee. David himself took on the opportunity to besiege Berwick during the chaos that followed the Black Prince’s death, returning the city into Scottish hands once more. He sent another two thousand men, this time under the command of the Black Douglas, to France to aid against the Earl of Buckingham’s expedition in Brittany and used the Peasants’ Revolt to extract concessions from Richard II.
Meanwhile, David had to deal with many internal conflicts. Clan Sutherland were bitter rivals to Clan Sinclair in northern Scotland, which only got worse after the former assumed the throne. Even more worse was that the former Bruce allies in Clan Donald joined with the Sinclairs against Sutherland, seeing a threat from them. Sending his heir Robert alongside Lord Duffus to the north with an army, they clashed with Clan Sinclair near Inverness and won. David was also able to gain the upper hand over Clan Donald, after which they made peace.

To further advance the prestige of the monarchy, he established Scotland’s first dukedoms: Sutherland and Albany. Robert became Duke of Sutherland and David became Duke of Albany. To strengthen royal authority in the north, David had his youngest son William marry Mariota, Countess of Ross, and also made him Earl of Caithness.
 
Because it had to be done tonight!

Richard of York survives the Tower and overthrows Henry VII in 1496.

Richard IV (1473-1528) m 1496 Lady Catherine Gordon (1474-1537)

1) Miscarriage (1497)

2) Catherine (b.1499) m. John III of Portugal (b.1502)

3) Edward VI (b.1500) m. Sophia of Saxony (b.1501) [1]

4) Elizabeth (1502-1505)

5) Stillborn son (1504)

6) Miscarriage (1505)

7) Margaret (b.1507) m. Charles V (b.1500)

[1] ATL daughter of John, Elector of Saxony. Edward marries her to absolve his father of the debt he owes to the Saxons for putting him on the throne again.
 
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Because it had to be done tonight!

Richard of York survives the Tower and overthrows Henry VII in 1496.

Richard IV (1473-1528) m 1496 Lady Catherine Gordon (1474-1537)

1) Miscarriage (1497)

2) Catherine (b.1499) m. John III of Portugal (b.1502)

3) Edward VI (b.1500) m. Sophia of Saxony (b.1501) [1]

4) Elizabeth (1502-1505)

5) Stillborn son (1504)

6) Miscarriage (1505)

7) Margaret (b.1507) m. Alexander IV of Scotland (b.1509) [2]

[1] ATL daughter of John, Elector of Saxony. Edward marries her to absolve his father of the debt he owes to the Saxons for putting him on the throne again.

[2] ATL son of James IV and Germaine de Foix.
What happens to Arthur and Henry Tudor?
 
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