List alternate PMs or Presidents

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shiftygiant

shiftygiant

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And finally...

Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom
1990-1997: John Major (Conservative)
def. 1992: Neil Kinnock (Labour), Paddy Ashdown (Liberal Democrats)
1997-2004: Tony Blair (Labour)
def. 1997: John Major (Conservative), Menzies Campbell (Liberal Democrats)
def. 2001: William Hague (Conservative), Menzies Campbell (Liberal Democrats)
2004-2009: Gordon Brown (Labour)
def. 2006: Tim Yeo (Conservative), Charles Kennedy (Liberal Democrats)
2009-2011: David Miliband (Labour)
def. 2011 May (Liberal Democrats Supply and Confidence): Tim Collins (Conservative), Charles Kennedy (Liberal Democrats), Robert Kilroy-Silk (UKIP)
2011-2017: Tim Collins (Conservative)
def. 2011 Dec: David Miliband (Labour), Charles Kennedy (Liberal Democrats), Robert Kilroy-Silk (UKIP)
def. 2016 (DUP Coalition): Jon Cruddas (Labour), Lynne Featherstone (Liberal Democrats), Angela Constance (SNP), Zac Goldsmith (London First!), Paul Nuttal (UKIP)
2017-20??: John Bercow (Conservative)

Presidents of the United States of America
1993-2001: Bill Clinton/Al Gore (Democratic)
def. 1992: George H.W. Bush/Dan Quayle (Republican), Ross Perot/John Stockdale (Independent)
def. 1996: Bob Dole/Caroll Campbell (Republican), Ross Perot/Richard Lamm (United We Stand)
2001-2001: Al Gore/Joe Lieberman (Democratic) †
def. 2000: George W. Bush/Jon Danforth (Republican), Richard Lamm/Jesse Ventura (United We Stand)
2001-2005: Joe Lieberman/Zell Miller (Democratic)
2005-2009: John McCain/Rudy Giuliani (Republican)
def. 2004: Wesley Clark/Max Baucus (Democratic), Ron Paul/Various (United We Stand), Dennis Kucinich/Bernie Sanders (Peace)
2009-2017: Tom Daschle/Janet Napolitano (Democratic)
def. 2008: John McCain/Rudy Giuliani (Republican)
def. 2012: Mitt Romney/Marco Rubio (Republican)
2017-20??: Col. Lindsey Graham/Charlie Baker (Republican)
def. 2016: Janet Napolitano/Chris Murphy (Democratic)

I should note that the United States stuff is just kinda, well, eeh, as the only people who are confirmed ITTL are Clinton, Gore, Lieberman, McCain, and Daschle.
 
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natemamate

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Presidents of America
  1. Joe Pesci/Daniel Stern (Anti Traps Party) 2001-2009
  2. Barack Obama/Joe Biden (Democratic-Republican Party) 2009-2013
  3. Bob Iger/Michael Eisner (Loser Party) 2013-2021
Prime Ministers of Britain
  1. Ricky Gervais (Official Monster Raving Loony Party) 2001-2005
  2. Boris Johnson (Neo Facist Party) 2005-2005
  3. Gordon Brown (The Brown Party) 2005-2005
  4. David Cameron (New Tory Party) 2005-Now
 
Cevolian

Cevolian

natemamate said:
Presidents of America
  1. Joe Pesci/Daniel Stern (Anti Traps Party) 2001-2009
  2. Barack Obama/Joe Biden (Democratic-Republican Party) 2009-2013
  3. Bob Iger/Michael Eisner (Loser Party) 2013-2021
Prime Ministers of Britain
  1. Ricky Gervais (Official Monster Raving Loony Party) 2001-2005
  2. Boris Johnson (Neo Facist Party) 2005-2005
  3. Gordon Brown (The Brown Party) 2005-2005
  4. David Cameron (New Tory Party) 2005-Now
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Is this meant to be some kind of meme? I dont really get it... New Tories are quite capital P Phresh, but BoJo isn't a fascist and the "Anti Traps Party" is a weird reference to have included...
 
Mumby

Mumby

DO YOU LIKE LAZY ANALOGUES

1945-1956: Clement Attlee (Labour)
1945 (Majority) def. Winston Churchill (Conservative), Archibald Sinclair (Liberal)
1950 (Majority) def. Harold Macmillan (Conservative), Clement Davies (Liberal)
1953 (Majority) def. Rab Butler (Conservative), Clement Davies (Liberal)
1956-1958: Herbert Morrison (Labour majority)
1958-1964: Alec Douglas-Home (Unionist)
1958 (Coalition with Liberals) def. Herbert Morrison (Labour), Jo Grimond (Liberal)
1963 (Majority) def. George Brown (Labour), Jeanne Hoban (Communist), Jo Grimond (Liberal), Jeffrey Hamm (Union Movement)
1964-1968: Priscilla Buchan (Unionist majority)

In 1945, Attlee just obliterates the Tories at the ballot box, and only loses a few seats in 1950. However, the widening War on Communism begins to grind away at his popularity and after it's discovered there were no nuclear weapons in Red China, his popularity bottoms out. The elderly Morrison takes his place and struggles in the face of an economic crisis and a destabilising East Asia. He loses in 1958 albeit narrowly.

Alec Douglas-Home was perhaps unusual for a Tory leader and adopted much of the Attleeite consensus to achieve victory. Despite predictions he would hold a snap election in 1959 or the government would collapse, Douglas-Home managed to guide the country through some hard years (albeit at costs some would say were too great). In 1963, he won a majority, while the Liberals tarred by the brush of government collapsed for a generation.

In 1962, Douglas-Home passed labour reforms that put workers on boards. The CPGB quickly infiltrated the workers elections and used this a spearhead for success in local government. This quickly translated into success at the ballot box, squeezing Labour out of seats in the North and Midlands as well as old Red Clydeside. The Union Movement, which called for immediate entry into the French led European Defence Conchord and the Coal and European Economic Community, also enjoyed some small successes.

One of Douglas-Home's campaign promises was to hold a referendum on joining the EDC and EEC. It was believed that the 1963 election would produce a hung parliament and this could be negotiated away. As it was, the Tories won a majority and Douglas-Home could not escape his own mandate. He was no Eurosceptic, but he had no desire to tie Britain to the Nationalist Regimes led by the Elysee. Few expected the result that happened. Brentry won by a comfortable margin. Douglas-Home, knowing that entry to the EDC and EEC would be no easy task, especially due to the hostility of Western Europe to Britain, resigned. Britain now has her first female Prime Minister, and she has a lot on her plate...
 
Gonzo

Gonzo

Mumby said:
Jeffrey Hamm (Union Movement)
The Union Movement, which called for immediate entry into the French led European Defence Conchord and the Coal and European Economic Community, also enjoyed some small successes
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I know this is a modern day analogue but the aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa is still needed for this. (The irony of a pro-EEC UKIP analogue!)
 
Mumby

Mumby

Gonzo said:
I know this is a modern day analogue but the aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa is still needed for this. (The irony of a pro-EEC UKIP analogue!)
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My idea is that Franco dies shortly before WWII and the Continuity Francoists manage to make detente with France and de Gaulle is displace by an OAS bloke. Suez happens under different circumstances and France carries on anyway. NATO is aborted, replaced by the EDC. So the 'EU' is a military as well as economic alliance and it's members are not really democratic hence why the 'establishment' wants to hold them at arms length. Brentry will be difficult because British membership seems weird to the other members.
 

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shiftygiant said:
And finally...

Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom
1990-1997: John Major (Conservative)
def. 1992: Neil Kinnock (Labour), Paddy Ashdown (Liberal Democrats)
1997-2004: Tony Blair (Labour)
def. 1997: John Major (Conservative), Menzies Campbell (Liberal Democrats)
def. 2001: William Hague (Conservative), Menzies Campbell (Liberal Democrats)
2004-2009: Gordon Brown (Labour)
def. 2006: Tim Yeo (Conservative), Charles Kennedy (Liberal Democrats)
2009-2011: David Miliband (Labour)
def. 2011 May (Liberal Democrats Supply and Confidence): Tim Collins (Conservative), Charles Kennedy (Liberal Democrats), Robert Kilroy-Silk (UKIP)
2011-2017: Tim Collins (Conservative)
def. 2011 Dec: David Miliband (Labour), Charles Kennedy (Liberal Democrats), Robert Kilroy-Silk (UKIP)
def. 2016 (DUP Coalition): Jon Cruddas (Labour), Lynne Featherstone (Liberal Democrats), Angela Constance (SNP), Zac Goldsmith (London First!), Paul Nuttal (UKIP)
2017-20??: John Bercow (Conservative)

Presidents of the United States of America
1993-2001: Bill Clinton/Al Gore (Democratic)
def. 1992: George H.W. Bush/Dan Quayle (Republican), Ross Perot/John Stockdale (Independent)
def. 1996: Bob Dole/Caroll Campbell (Republican), Ross Perot/Richard Lamm (United We Stand)
2001-2001: Al Gore/Joe Lieberman (Democratic) †
def. 2000: George W. Bush/Jon Danforth (Republican), Richard Lamm/Jesse Ventura (United We Stand)
2001-2005: Joe Lieberman/Zell Miller (Democratic)
2005-2009: John McCain/Rudy Giuliani (Republican)
def. 2004: Wesley Clark/Max Baucus (Democratic), Ron Paul/Various (United We Stand), Dennis Kucinich/Bernie Sanders (Peace)
2009-2017: Tom Daschle/Janet Napolitano (Democratic)
def. 2008: John McCain/Rudy Giuliani (Republican)
def. 2012: Mitt Romney/Marco Rubio (Republican)
2017-20??: Col. Lindsey Graham/Charlie Baker (Republican)
def. 2016: Janet Napolitano/Chris Murphy (Democratic)

I should note that the United States stuff is just kinda, well, eeh, as the only people who are confirmed ITTL are Clinton, Gore, Lieberman, McCain, and Daschle.
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#MakeBorisPresident
 
Mumby

Mumby

Mumby said:
DO YOU LIKE LAZY ANALOGUES

1945-1956: Clement Attlee (Labour)
1945 (Majority) def. Winston Churchill (Conservative), Archibald Sinclair (Liberal)
1950 (Majority) def. Harold Macmillan (Conservative), Clement Davies (Liberal)
1953 (Majority) def. Rab Butler (Conservative), Clement Davies (Liberal)
1956-1958: Herbert Morrison (Labour majority)
1958-1964: Alec Douglas-Home (Unionist)
1958 (Coalition with Liberals) def. Herbert Morrison (Labour), Jo Grimond (Liberal)
1963 (Majority) def. George Brown (Labour), Jeanne Hoban (Communist), Jo Grimond (Liberal), Jeffrey Hamm (Union Movement)
1964-1968: Priscilla Buchan (Unionist majority)

In 1945, Attlee just obliterates the Tories at the ballot box, and only loses a few seats in 1950. However, the widening War on Communism begins to grind away at his popularity and after it's discovered there were no nuclear weapons in Red China, his popularity bottoms out. The elderly Morrison takes his place and struggles in the face of an economic crisis and a destabilising East Asia. He loses in 1958 albeit narrowly.

Alec Douglas-Home was perhaps unusual for a Tory leader and adopted much of the Attleeite consensus to achieve victory. Despite predictions he would hold a snap election in 1959 or the government would collapse, Douglas-Home managed to guide the country through some hard years (albeit at costs some would say were too great). In 1963, he won a majority, while the Liberals tarred by the brush of government collapsed for a generation.

In 1962, Douglas-Home passed labour reforms that put workers on boards. The CPGB quickly infiltrated the workers elections and used this a spearhead for success in local government. This quickly translated into success at the ballot box, squeezing Labour out of seats in the North and Midlands as well as old Red Clydeside. The Union Movement, which called for immediate entry into the French led European Defence Conchord and the Coal and European Economic Community, also enjoyed some small successes.

One of Douglas-Home's campaign promises was to hold a referendum on joining the EDC and EEC. It was believed that the 1963 election would produce a hung parliament and this could be negotiated away. As it was, the Tories won a majority and Douglas-Home could not escape his own mandate. He was no Eurosceptic, but he had no desire to tie Britain to the Nationalist Regimes led by the Elysee. Few expected the result that happened. Brentry won by a comfortable margin. Douglas-Home, knowing that entry to the EDC and EEC would be no easy task, especially due to the hostility of Western Europe to Britain, resigned. Britain now has her first female Prime Minister, and she has a lot on her plate...
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Current leaders of the major political parties

Conservative (and Unionist): Priscilla Buchan

Labour: Fenner Brockway [MEADOW PUNCHES ME IN THE OESOPHAGUS UNTIL I CRY]

Liberal: Jeremy Thorpe

Communist: Jeanne Hoban

UMOVE: Tommy Moran
 

Joshua Ben Ari

And now for something completely different: an Israel list.

Prime Ministers
1949-1954: David Ben-Gurion (Mapai)
1954-1959: Moshe Sharett (Mapai)
1959-1964: Pinhas Sapir (Mapai)
1964-1971: Moshe Dayan (Mapai, then Alignment)
1971-1976: Abba Eban (Alignment)
1976-1983: Teddy Kollek (Alignment)
1983-1992: Yitzhak Shamir (Likud)
1992-1995: David Levy (Likud)
1995-1999: Ora Namir (Labor)
1999-2004: Moshe Arens (Likud)
2004-2009: Ophir Pines-Paz (Labor)
2009-2013: Meir Sheetrit (Likud)
2013-2017: Dalia Itzik (Labor)
2017-incumbent: Moshe Kahlon (Likud)

Presidents
1949-1955: Albert Einstein (Independent)
1955-1963: Peretz Bernstein (General Zionists)
1963-1970: Zalman Aran (Mapai)
1970-1976: Pinhas Lavon (Mapai, then Alignment)
1976-1984: Shoshana Arbeli-Almozlino (Alignment)
1984-1991: Yoram Aridor (Likud)
1991-1998: Shlomo Hillel (Alignment)
1998-2005: Natan Sharansky (Likud)
2005-2012: Elie Wiesel (Likud)
2012-incumbent: Meir Shamgar (Independent)
 
shiftygiant

shiftygiant

Gone Fishin'
glenn67 said:
For a minute, I thought this was a Atlee as Thatcher analogue.
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You gave me an idea. It's kinda shit and I struggled to find an SDP analogy because this was mainly off the cuff, but hey ho;

1945-1952: Clement Attlee (Labour)
def. 1945: Winston Churchill (Conservative), Archibald Sinclair (Liberal), Ernest Brown (National Liberal)
def. 1950: Anthony Eden (Union), Clement Davies (Liberal)
1952-1957: Anthony Eden (Union)
def. 1952 (Minority): Clement Attlee (Labour), Clement Davies (Liberal)
def. 1952: Clement Attlee (Labour), Clement Davies (Liberal)
1957-1968: Jennie Lee (Labour)
def. 1957: Anthony Eden (Union), Jo Grimond (Liberal)
def. 1961: Peter Thorneycrot (Union), Jo Grimond (Liberal)
def. 1965: Iain Macleod (Union), Jo Grimond (Liberal)
1968-1975: Francis Noel-Baker (Labour)
def. 1970: Iain Macleod (Union), Richard Wainwright (Liberal)
1975-1985: Enoch Powell (Union)
def. 1975: Francis Noel-Baker (Labour), Richard Wainwright (Liberal)
 
Gorrister

Gorrister

shiftygiant said:
You gave me an idea. It's kinda shit and I struggled to find an SDP analogy because this was mainly off the cuff, but hey ho;

1945-1952: Clement Attlee (Labour)
def. 1945: Winston Churchill (Conservative), Archibald Sinclair (Liberal), Ernest Brown (National Liberal)
def. 1950: Anthony Eden (Union), Clement Davies (Liberal)
1952-1957: Anthony Eden (Union)
def. 1952 (Minority): Clement Attlee (Labour), Clement Davies (Liberal)
def. 1952: Clement Attlee (Labour), Clement Davies (Liberal)
1957-1968: Jennie Lee (Labour)
def. 1957: Anthony Eden (Union), Jo Grimond (Liberal)
def. 1961: Peter Thorneycrot (Union), Jo Grimond (Liberal)
def. 1965: Iain Macleod (Union), Jo Grimond (Liberal)
1968-1975: Francis Noel-Baker (Labour)
def. 1970: Iain Macleod (Union), Richard Wainwright (Liberal)
1975-1985: Enoch Powell (Union)
def. 1975: Francis Noel-Baker (Labour), Richard Wainwright (Liberal)
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Oh, you've reminded me to post this.

Leaders of the Conservative Party
1933-1946: Winston Churchill
1946-1950: Leo Amery
1950-1953: Waldron Smithers
1953-1962: David Price-White
1962-1964: Michael Noble
1964-1964: Florence Horsbrugh
1964-1977: Tony Barber
1977-1980: Hector Munro
1980-1980: Margaret Thatcher
1980-1985: Peter Morrison
1985-1985: Margaret Thatcher
1985-1986: John Peyton
1986-: Leon Brittan

Leaders of the Labour Party:
1933-1935: Charles Cripps
1935-1945: Hugh Dalton
1945-1960: Ellen Wilkinson
1960-1967: Alf Robens
1967-1971: Eric Varley
1971-1973: Eric Heffer
1973-1975: Bob Mellish
1975-1986: Chris Smith
1986-: Shirley Williams
 
loneranger

loneranger

Two ideas:

One term Washington
Or
Three term Washington

But why? That's up to you.

We also discussed a scenario wherein he didn't run for President. IIRC Benjamin Franklin served a term.
 
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