List alternate PMs or Presidents

[EvilSpaceAlien]

Now we shall take a look at a few lists from a world where Sweden, Norway, Denmark (Greenland and the Faroe Islands joins separately in 1987), and Iceland are united under a federal union in the late 70s, with Finland joining in 1989 (Åland joins separately at the same time).

List of Presidents/Vice Presidents of the Nordic Union
1977: Olof Palme/Trygve Bratteli, Social Democrat
1981: Olof Palme/Svend Auken, Social Democrat
1985: Olof Palme/Svend Auken, Social Democrat
1989: Nils Helveg Petersen/Ola Ullsten, Centrist/Liberal
1993: Kåre Willoch/Esko Aho, Conservative/Centrist
1997: Kåre Willoch***/Marianne Jelved, Conservative/Centrist
2000: Marianne Jelved/Geir Haarde, Centrist/Conservative
2001: Poul Nyrup Rasmussen/Ólafur Ragnar Grímsson, Social Democrat
2005: Ólafur Ragnar Grímsson/Maria Wetterstrand, Social Democrat/Green
2009: Ólafur Ragnar Grímsson/Maria Wetterstrand, Social Democrat/Green
2013: Anna Lindh/Oras Tynkkynen, Social Democrat/Green

List of Leaders of the Opposition in the Nordic Parliament
1977-1985: Sjur Lindebrække, Conservative
1985-1989: Nils Helveg Petersen, Centrist
1989-1994: Svend Auken, Social Democrat
1994-1999: Mona Sahlin, Social Democrat
1999-2001: Poul Nyrup Rasmussen, Social Democrat
2001-2002: Geir Haarde, Conservative
2002-2010: Carl Bildt, Conservative
2010-: Erna Solberg, Conservative

List of Prime Ministers of Sweden under the Nordic Union
1977-1978: Thorbjörn Fälldin** (Centre Party)
1978-1979: Ola Ullsten (Liberal Party)
1979-1985: Thorbjörn Fälldin (Centre Party)
1985-1991: Ingvar Carlsson (Social Democratic Party)
1991-1994: Carl Bildt (Moderate Party)
1994-2002: Göran Persson (Social Democratic Party)
2002-2006: Bo Lundgren (Moderate Party)
2006-2009: Bosse Ringholm**** (Social Democratic Party)
2009-: Mona Sahlin (Social Democratic Party)

List of Prime Ministers of Norway under the Nordic Union
1977-1981: Odvar Nordli (Labour Party)
1981-1989: Kåre Willoch (Conservative Party)
1989-1996: Gro Harlem Brundtland* (Labour Party)
1996-2005: Thorbjörn Jagland (Labour Party)
2005-2010: Kjell Mange Bondevik* (Christian Democratic Party)
2010-2013: Dagfinn Høybråten (Christian Democratic Party)
2013-: Jens Stoltenberg (Labour Party)

List of Prime Ministers of Denmark under the Nordic Union
1977-1984: Anker Jørgensen (Social Democratic Party)
1984-1990 Poul Schlüter (Conservative Party)
1990-1997 Poul Nyrup Rasmussen* (Social Democratic Party)
1997-1998 Mogens Lykketoft (Social Democratic Party)
1998-2003 Uffe Ellemann-Jensen (Liberal)
2003-2011 Anders Fogh Rasmussen (Liberal)
2011-: Helle Thorning-Schmidt (Social Democrats)

List of Prime Ministers of Iceland under the Nordic Union
(the post of President of Iceland was abolished when the nation joined the Nordic Union since most of the President's duties was now carried out by the new Nordic President)
1977-1978: Geir Hallgrímsson (Independence Party)
1978-1983: Ólafur Jóhannesson (Progressive Party)
1983-1991: Þorsteinn Pálsson (Independence Party)
1991-1995: Jón Baldvin Hannibalsson (Social Democratic Party)
1995-2000: Steingrímur Hermannsson* (Progressive Party)
2000-2003 Halldór Ásgrímsson (Progressive Party)
2003-2007 Geir Haarde (Independence Party)
2007-: Jóhanna Sigurðardóttir (Social Democratic Alliance)

List of Prime Ministers of the Faroe Islands under the Nordic Union
1987-1989: Atli Dam (Social Democratic Party)
1989-1991: Jógvan Sundstein (People's Party)
1991-1994: Marita Petersen (Social Democratic Party)
1994-2002: Edmund Joensen (Union Party)
2002-2012: Jóannes Eidesgaard (Social Democratic Party)
2012-: Kaj Leo Johannesen (Union Party)

List of Prime Ministers of Greenland under the Nordic Union
1987-1997: Johan Motzfeldt (Forward)
1997-2005: Hans Enoksen (Forward
2005-2009: Kuupik Kleist (Innuit Community)
2009-2013: Jens B. Frederiksen (Democrats)
2013-: Finn Karlsen (Feeling of Community)

List of Prime Ministers of Finland under the Nordic Union
(same as Iceland)
1990-1995: Harri Holkeri (Conservative)
1995-2001: Paavo Lipponen* (Social Democratic)
2001-2009: Tarja Halonen* (Social Democrats)
2009-2011: Jutta Urpilainen (Social Democrats)
2011-: Mari Kiviniemi (Centre Party)

List of Prime Ministers of Åland under the Nordic Union
1990-1995: Ragnar Erlandsson (Centre Party)
1995-1999: Roger Jansson (Freeminded Co-operation)
1999-2003: Roger Nordlund (Centre Party)
2003-2011: Viveka Eriksson (Liberal)
2011-: Barbro Sundback (Social Democrat)

*Resigned while in office
**Forced out by vote of no confidence
***Assasinated
****Died in office

 

[Plumber]

A quick and boring liberalwank. POD Nile Kinnick Lives, and his service in Korea leads to MacArthur dying before the Chinese intervene.

32. Franklin D. Roosevelt (D-NY) 1933-1945
33. Harry S Truman (D-MO) 1945-1957
34. Earl Warren (R-CA) 1957-1965
35. Ronald Reagan (D-CA) 1965-1973
36. Nile Kinnick (R-IA) 1973-1981
37. Don Yarborough (D-TX) 1981-1989
38. Daniel Patrick Moynihan (D-NY) 1989-1993
39. Hillary Schwarzenegger (R-CA) 1993-2001
40. Samuel L. Jackson (D-CA) 2001-2009

 

[Lemon flavoured]

A slightly altered one based on the Work in progress TL I mentioned above (POD is late 2005, I Changed my mind on various details):

1997 - 2006 - Tony Blair - Labour&
2006 - 2008 - Harriet Harman - Labour*
2008 - 2012 - David Cameron - Conservative
2012 - 2017 - Simon Hughes - Liberal Democrat / Conservative coalition
2017 - 2021 - Liam Fox - Conservative / Liberal Democrat coalition^
2021 - 2025 - Chole Smith - Conservative

&resigned for TL related reasons that I don't wish to spoil
*removed by a vote of no confidence
^resigned for health reasons

 

[Craigo]

No Watergate

Ronald Reagan/John Connally (R) 1977-1981 def. Jerry Brown/Lloyd Bentsen
Gary Hart/Edward Kennedy (D) 1981-1985 def. Ronald Reagan/John Connally
Gary Hart/Edward Kennedy (D) 1985-1989 def. Alfonse D'Amato/Donald Rumsfeld
Howard Baker/Jack Kemp (R) 1989-1993 def. Edward Kennedy/Bruce Babbitt
Howard Baker/Jack Kemp (R) 1993-1997 def. Mario Cuomo/William Clinton
Jack Kemp/Pete Wilson (R) 1997-2001 def. William Clinton/Joseph Lieberman
John Kerry/Albert Gore (D) 2001-2005 def. Jack Kemp/Peter Wilson
John Kerry/Albert Gore (D) 2005-2009 def. John McCain/Thomas Ridge
Mitt Romney/Michael Huckabee (R) 2009-2013 def. Albert Gore/Maria Cantwell
Mitt Romney/Michael Huckabee (R) 2013-2017 def. Eliot Spitzer/Bill White
Antonio Villaraigosa/Joseph Sestak (D) 2017- def. Rand Paul/Marco Rubio

 

[Meadow]

Blair, Brown and Mandelson are killed in a catastrophic explosion at the Granita restaurant, 1994:

1990-1997: John Major (Conservative)
1997-2005: Robin Cook (Labour)*
2005-2006: Margaret Beckett (Labour)
2006-2011: Michael Portillo (Conservative)
2011-2016: Oona King (Labour-Lib Dem Coalition)**
2016-2024: Nick Boles (Conservative)

*Died suddenly while in office.
**Simon Hughes is Lib Dem leader and Deputy PM.

 

[glenn67]

A quick and boring liberalwank. POD Nile Kinnick Lives, and his service in Korea leads to MacArthur dying before the Chinese intervene.

32. Franklin D. Roosevelt (D-NY) 1933-1945
33. Harry S Truman (D-MO) 1945-1957
34. Earl Warren (R-CA) 1957-1965
35. Ronald Reagan (D-CA) 1965-1973
36. Nile Kinnick (R-IA) 1973-1981
37. Don Yarborough (D-TX) 1981-1989
38. Daniel Patrick Moynihan (D-NY) 1989-1993
39. Hillary Schwarzenegger (R-CA) 1993-2001
40. Samuel L. Jackson (D-CA) 2001-2009

I assume there were no girlie men in President Schwarzenegger's cabinet.

 

[ESL1234]

Hello this is just some random and I apologise if this is ASB and I’m not an american so I’m not an expert on US-politics. Is this realistic or ASB?

1933-1945 Franklin D. Roosevelt (D)
1945-1953 Harry S. Truman (D)
1953-1954 Dwight D. Eisenhower (R) *
1954-1957 Richard Nixon (R)
1957-1961 Adlai Stevenson (D)
1961-1963 John F. Kennedy (D) **
1963-1969 Lyndon B. Johnson (D)
1969-1974 Ronald Reagan (R) ***
1974-1977 Bob Dole (R)
1977-1985 Ted Kennedy (D)
1985-1989 Bob Dole (R) ****
1989-1993 Al Gore (D)
1993-2001 Bill Clinton (D)
2001-2005 Jeb Bush (R)
2005-? Bill Richardson (D)

* Died in office
** Assassinated
*** Forced too resign because of a big scandal
**** Did a political comeback

 

[Meadow]

I'm no expert in US politics, but it doesn't appear too ASB to me. I like the idea of a Bob Dole comeback, and Gore-Clinton looks interesting - an ineffective Gore eclipsed by a rising Clinton in the South, who then primaries him a la Ted in '80, but with more success? Perhaps on a quietly 'here's the man we should have picked last time' campaign?

 

[Razors are for Fish]

I felt like making Smedley Butler President. Also Huey Long isn't assassinated.

1916: Woodrow Wilson/Thomas R. Marshall (Democrat)
1920: Warren G. Harding/Smedley Butler (Republican)
1924: Smedley Butler/Hiram Johnson (R)
1928: Smedley Butler/Hiram Johnson (R)
1932: Joseph I. France/James W. Wadsworth (R)
1936: Franklin D. Roosevelt/Huey Long (D)
1940: Franklin D. Roosevelt/Huey Long (D)
1944: Huey Long/John H. Bankhead (D)
1948: Huey Long/Alben W. Barkley (D)
1952: Strom Thurmond/Herman Talmadge (National American/Segregationist)
1956: Richard Nixon/Christian Herter (R)*
1960: Nelson Rockefeller/Barry Goldwater (R)
1964: Richard Nixon/Hiram Fong (America First)
1968: Richard Nixon/ Hiram Fong (AF)
1972: Thomas Eagleton/Terry Sanford (D)
1976: Thomas Eagleton/Terry Sanford (D)
1980: Ted Kennedy/Shirley Chisholm (D)
1984: Ted Kennedy/Shirley Chisholm (D)
1988: Bob Dole/Jack Kemp (R)
1992: Jesse Jackson/Al Gore (D)
1996: Jesse Jackson/Al Gore (D)
2000: Al Gore/Warren Beatty (D)
2004: Al Gore/Warren Beatty
2008: Mitt Romney/John McCain (R)
2012: Barack Obama/John Kerry (D)**

*Nixon forced out of the Republican Party by Rockefeller/Goldwater
**I just had to

 

[EvilSpaceAlien]

A list of US Presidents where the nation is far more to the left due to Theodore Roosevelt becoming President running on a Progressive ticket. Then an even worse recession brings the Socialist Party into the White House which shifts the American politics even further leftward, and this is the result. Oh, and the 22nd ammendment was never enacted.

List of US Presidents

1912: Theodore Roosevelt/Hiram Johnson (P)
1916: Theodore Roosevelt/Robert M. La Follette Sr. (P)
1920: Theodore Roosevelt/Robert M. La Follette Sr. (P)
1924: Calvin Coolidge/Frank Orren Lowden (R)
1928: Calvin Coolidge*/Frank Orren Lowden (R)
1931: Frank Orren Lowden/Herbert Hoover (R)
1932: Upton Sinclair/Norman Thomas (S)
1936: Upton Sinclair/Norman Thomas (S)
1940: Franklin D. Roosevelt/Robert M. La Follette Jr. (P)
1944: Franklin D. Roosevelt*/Robert M. La Follette Jr. (P)
1947: Robert M. La Follette Jr./Joseph P. Kennedy (P)
1948: Robert M. La Follette Jr./Joseph P. Kennedy (P)
1952: Robert M. La Follettte Jr./Joseph P. Kennedy (P)
1956: Harold Stassen/Estes Kefauver (LC)**
1960: Harold Stassen/George Wallace (LC)
1964: George Wallace***/William Scranton (LC)
1968: Samuel H. Friedman/Ronald Reagan (SD)
1972: Samuel H. Friedman/Ronald Reagan (SD)
1976: Edward Kennedy/Gary Hart (P)
1980: Ronald Reagan/Geraldine Ferraro (SD)****
1984: Ronald Reagan/Geraldine Ferraro (SD)
1988: Robert Dole/George H.W. Bush (L)*****
1992: Robert Dole/George H.W. Bush (L)
1996: William Clinton/Thomas A. Daschle (P)
2000: William Clinton/Thomas A. Daschle (P)
2004: William Clinton/Joseph P. Biden (P)
2008: Richard Cheney/Lamar Alexander (L)
2012: Albert Gore/Jesse Jackson Jr. (P)******

*President died while in office.
**LC stands for Liberty Coalition which is an electoral alliance between the Democratic Party and the marginalized Republican Party.
***Scary thought, isn't it?
****SD stands for the Social Democratic Party which was formed in the late 40s after a split occured in the Socialist Party. The two party co-existed in congress for some time, however the Socialist Party was marginalized in the 50s and was absorbed into the Social Democratic party structure in '62.
*****The Liberty Coalition has now completely merged and formed the Liberty Party, a socially conservatve/economically libertarian party.
******The 2012 election was a problematic one, with neither candidate reaching the necessary 270 electoral votes to win, so it was up to the house to decided. But no party had a majority, there was only a Progressive plurality so it seemed that it was deadlock. However the Social Democrats and the Progressives were able to come to an agreement which meant that Progressive candidate Al Gore who won the popular vote would be President while Social Democratic VP candidate Jesse Jackson Jr. would become Vice President. So on January 8th, 2013, Al Gore was voted in as President by congress, just in time for the inauguration. Progressive VP nominee Hillary Rodham Clinton would eventually become Secretary of State while Social Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders would end up as Secretary of Health and Social Security.

Rundown of the political parties:

Progressive Party
Currently the oldest party in the United States and without a doubt the most successful out of the three big ones. The ideology can be described as centrist social liberalism with agrarianism mixed in. The party is strongest in the midwest and the northeast and among farmers and people who live in big cities.

Liberty Party
Formed by the merger of the Democratic and Republican parties in 1980, this party is the main right wing party in the United States. The party promotes conservative social values and economic libertarianism. The party is strongest in the southern states and with white conservative christians.

Social Democratic Party
The Social Democratic Party has its roots in the Labor movement of the early 1900s and is thus a strong proponent of worker's rights. The party is the smallest of the big three but it has not prevented some of its Presdential candidates from entering the White House. Its ideology is democratic socialism and feminism. The party is strongest in the western states and with african american voters thanks to the big part the party played in the civil rights movement.

Minor parties:
Christian Democratic Party
Socially conservative, economically moderate. Caucuses with the Liberty Party.

Socialist Electoral Alliance
Socially liberal, economically far left. Caucuses with the Social Democrats.

 

[President_Gore]

Alternate British PM's
Heath wins in 1974

Edward Heath, 1970 - 1976; Won 1970, 1974 (Hung Parliament, Con Minority), Lost 1976
Denis Healey, 1976 - 1980; Won 1976, Lost 1980
William Whitelaw, 1980 - 1988; Won 1980, Won 1985, Retired 1988
Ken Clarke, 1988 - 1991; Won 1989 (Hung Parliament, Con SDP Coalition), Lost 1991
John Smith, 1991 - 1993; Won 1991, Died 1993
Tony Blair, 1993 - 2000; Won 1995, 1999, Resigned 2000
Margaret Beckett, 2000 - 2005; Lost 2005
Michael Howard, 2005 - 2009; Won 2005, Lost 2009
Tessa Jowell, 2009 - 2015; Won 2009, 2013, Resigned 2015
David Miliband, 2015 - 2017; Lost 2017
Nick Herbert, 2017 - 2028; Won 2017, 2021, 2026, Resigned 2028

 

[black angel]

Presidents of Poland (No WWII):

Ignacy Mościcki 1926-1946
Felicjan Sławoj Składkowski 1946
Szmul Zygielbojm (General Polish-Jewish Labour Bund) 1946-1956
Witold Pilecki (League of Polish Families) 1956-1961
David Ben-Gurion (General Polish-Jewish Labour Bund) 1961-1967
Wojciech Jaruzelski (League of Polish Families) 1967-1973
Cardinal Karol Józef Wojtyła (Polish Catholic League) 1973-1985
Shimon Peres (General Polish-Jewish Labour Bund) 1985-1992
Lech Wałęsa (General Polish-Jewish Labour Bund) 1992-2000
Stanisław Dziwisz (Polish Catholic League) 2000-

 

[Joshua Ben Ari]

General Secretary of the Communist Party
(Brezhnev is killed in '69)

Joseph Stalin (1922-1953)
Nikita Khrushchev (1953-1964)
Leonid Brezhnev (1964-1969)*
Alexi Kosygin (1969-1977)
Yuri Andropov (1977-1984)
Konstantin Chernenko (1984-1985)
Grigori Romanov (1985-1991)
Mikhail Gorbachev (1991-1998)


* assassinated by Victor Ilyin in 1969

 

[lord caedus]

Presidents & Vice Presidents (No McGovern-Fraser Commission)

Richard Nixon(R)/Spiro Agnew* (R), 1969-1973
Richard Nixon* (R)/Gerald Ford (R), 1973-1974
Gerald Ford (R)/Nelson Rockefeller (R), 1974-1977
Henry "Scoop" Jackson (D)/Frank Church (D), 1977-1981
Ronald Reagan (R)/George H.W. Bush (R), 1981-1989
George H.W. Bush (R)/Dan Quayle (R), 1989-1993
Jerry Brown (D)/Bob Kerrey (D), 1993-2001
Bob Kerrey (D)/Barbara Boxer (D), 2001-2009
Mitt Romney (R)/John Thune (R), 2009-

*-resigned

Election Results

1972: Richard Nixon/Spiro Agnew (R) def. Ed Muskie/Henry "Scoop" Jackson (D)
1976: Henry "Scoop" Jackson/Frank Church (D) def. Gerald Ford/Bob Dole (R)
1980: Ronald Reagan/George H.W. Bush (R) def. Henry "Scoop" Jackson/Frank Church (D) def. John Anderson/Pat Lucey (I)
1984: Ronald Reagan/George H.W. Bush (R) def. Walter Mondale/Geraldine Ferraro (D)
1988: George H.W. Bush/Dan Quayle (R) def. Michael Dukakis/Lloyd Bentsen (D)
1992: Jerry Brown/Bob Kerrey (D) def. George H.W. Bush/Dan Quayle (R) & Ross Perot/James Stockdale (I)
1996: Jerry Brown/Bob Kerrey (D) def. Bob Dole/John Engler (R) & Ross Perot/Pat Choate (Rf)
2000: Bob Kerrey/Barbara Boxer (D) def. George W. Bush/Dick Cheney (R)
2004: Bob Kerrey/Barbara Boxer (D) def. John McCain/Phil Gramm (R)
2008: Mitt Romney/John Thune (R) def. John Edwards/Joe Biden (D)

 

[Wendell]

General Secretary of the Communist Party
(Brezhnev is killed in '69)

Joseph Stalin (1922-1953)
Nikita Khrushchev (1953-1964)
Leonid Brezhnev (1964-1969)*
Alexi Kosygin (1969-1977)
Yuri Andropov (1977-1984)
Konstantin Chernenko (1984-1985)
Grigori Romanov (1985-1991)
Mikhail Gorbachev (1991-1998)


* assassinated by Victor Ilyin in 1969

This is an interesting list.

 

[Joshua Ben Ari]

Thanks, Wendell. Wait...good interesting or bad interesting?

 

[Wendell]

Thanks, Wendell. Wait...good interesting or bad interesting?

Definitely good. The knock-on effects here are what I wonder about most.

 

[Joshua Ben Ari]

Well, Kosygin was on the more liberal side of the Communist Party and focused on reforming the command economy. He wanted to make Soviet industry more efficient, and he would continue Khrushchev's liberalization.

Romanov was the main contender for the General Secretary position and the main rival to Gorbachev. According to Wikipedia, he was well-versed in economics, which means he'd help ensure the economic survival of the USSR as well as a supporter of Andropov's reform ideas.

But thanks, Wendell.

 

[Wendell]

Well, Kosygin was on the more liberal side of the Communist Party and focused on reforming the command economy. He wanted to make Soviet industry more efficient, and he would continue Khrushchev's liberalization.

Romanov was the main contender for the General Secretary position and the main rival to Gorbachev. According to Wikipedia, he was well-versed in economics, which means he'd help ensure the economic survival of the USSR as well as a supporter of Andropov's reform ideas.

But thanks, Wendell.

So the USSR is more like China, but what are the military and geopolitical consequences elsewhere in the world?

 

[black angel]

Russian Presidents maybe?

Boris Yeltsin (Democratic Party) 1991-1996
Gennady Zyuganov (CPRF) 1996-2004
Mikhail Kasyanov (LDPR) 2004-2008
Mikhail Gorbachev (CPRF) 2008-