Lincoln Lives: How a failed assassination changed the course of a Nation and a newly freed people
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Uh oh... I don’t like the sound of this!Anglophiles and Francophiles beware!
Okay, a small quibble here. I'm almost positive that Yale didn't have a graduate program in History in 1877. I believe the first History PhD program in the United States was actually inaugerated at John Hopkins University, which opened in OTL the year prior. Prior to this, History in the United States (and much the rest of the Western world) was the perview of the amateur historians and other scholars who did history. Germany actually introduced the first graduate level History programs (where it was firmly seen as a Social Science), and most of the scholars who attempted to kickstart US graduate History programs, such as Herbert Baxter Adams, actually first traveled to Germany to gettheir degrees there and then brought the practice back to America. So, you really don't start seeing the professionalization of the field of History in the US until the 1880s and 1890s as it spreads out from John Hopkins to the Ivy League and Landgrant schools.
Vahktang
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Born 1786 WinField Scott?
For the 1880 elections?
A 94 year old was the best they could do?
No wonder they lost.
I do not think an illegitimate child from an indigenous would have been a huge thing, even in this time line.
Vahktang
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The ‘Hancock’ part is not in the post.
May want to change that.
Avoid confusion.
But it makes perfect sense, he was Garfield’s running mate in OTL, I understand.
The freed slaves got the Texas panhandle
You know what is located there there that will become very important in the next 40 years
OIL
You know what is located there there that will become very important in the next 40 years
OIL
Winfield Scott Hancock I assume.
Garfield, excellent.
Garfield with a tag team of John Sherman and James G Blaine would be an interesting partnership. Especially consideirng that Sherman seems to be the most competant/prolific and if not political master.
Ok.
Good to sere Custer cannot escape his fate, but at the time he died he was a Lieutentant Colonel in the Regular Army (he was only a General of Volunteers - only in the Civil War.), and no way was he going ti rise any higher given his ....well, speaking ability and shooting his mouth off. Especially in an army dominated by Republicans.
Scott could give Taft a run for his money in the weight scene.
Garfield was a Republican, Hancock a Democrat.
That was a mistake on my part, it is Winfield Scott Hancock. Somehow left off his last name
Yale had it's first Ph. D's awarded in 1861. They didn't have a separate Graduate School until i think the late 1880s or 1890s, I looked it up prior to writing the chapter but dont recall the exact date of the separate school being founded but Doctorate degrees were being awarded prior to it's establishment.
I've actually considered pushing up the Sherman Anti-Trust Act by a decade, haven't made a firm decision yet, but yes I like the idea there of Sherman and Blaine working with Garfield (especially since he doesnt die in this TL by assassin). And true, in OTL Custer was a LT Col when he died but my new TL he made it to Brigadier, no specific reason why, I just wanted it. It's one of the great things about alt history.
Yes as I responded to another poster, I accidentally left off Hancock, it was supposed to be Winfield Scott Hancock. Thats how much I dislike this time period, I overlook simply things like that, doh! But it has been corrected in the post!
Blacks are the majority in Oklahoma but the cowboys serving the Ranchers are mostly white and latino.
Edit: To further clarify, the Ranchers are bringing cattle from Texas.
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I wonder what was the impact on the black areas of the harsh winters in the early 1880s.
OTL this bankrupted many of the cattle farmers in that area.
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Interesting TL.
Nice to see a TL that looks a the effects of a change during the civil war has on the years after the civil war, instead of the endless refighting of the civil war battles.
OTL this bankrupted many of the cattle farmers in that area.
Record cold and snow decimates cattle herds
On one of the worst days of the “worst winter in the West,” nearly an inch of snow falls every hour for 16 hours, impeding the ability of already starving
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The Great Blizzards of 1886-1887 and 1887-1888 - True West Magazine
The disastrous blizzards of 1886-1887 and 1887-1888 brought far-reaching changes to ranching and farming in the West. It pretty well marked the end...
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This is the area hit later by the Dustbowl of the 1930s.
Interesting TL.
Nice to see a TL that looks a the effects of a change during the civil war has on the years after the civil war, instead of the endless refighting of the civil war battles.
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Vahktang
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Someone once pointed out that the people portrayed in the musical Oklahoma! grow older to be the people in Grapes of Wrath.
I can see this TL’s Oklahoma!, particularly the first song in Act II:
“The [racist slur] and the cowboy should be friends.
The [racist slur] and the cowboy should be friends.
One man likes to push a plough,
The other likes to chase a cow.
But that's no reason why they cain't be friends.
Territory folks should stick together”
Vahktang
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Well, yeah, that’s the lyric in our TL.
But in this TL, the Oklahoma farmers are formers slaves and their descendants.
Hence, [racist slur], because I did not want to actually write the offensive [racist slur], and the thought is that the racial divide will still be wide enough when the book and subsequent musical is written, that [racist slur] is the descriptive term used, rather than farmer.