Limited Axis victory leads to independent French Equatorial Africa

Let's postulate a limited Axis victory in Europe. Hitler has an aneurysm in spring 1941 and Germany is taken over by a junta of leading Nazi Party figures and generals, leading to no Barbarossa and no declaration of war against the United States. Britain then sees the futility of fighting alone and, with Churchill (no longer PM, obviously) kicking and screaming all the way, comes to the table.

If you don't like it happening that way, imagine it some other. I don't care how it happens, only that it does.

Anyway, when the details are hammered out, Germany keeps Austria, Bohemia-Moravia and its part of Poland. It agrees to withdraw from the Low Countries, Denmark and Norway on the understanding that these countries will be demilitarized and bound to a pro-German foreign and economic policy. And, most importantly for this scenario, the Vichy government is recognized as the sole and lawful government of France, and is confirmed in its possession of the colonies it still holds (good luck keeping Syria, but that's another discussion).

But then there's French Equatorial Africa, consisting of Chad, Ubangi-Shari (now the Central African Republic), Gabon and French Congo. As of 1941, all these colonies, along with Cameroon (which was nominally a separate League of Nations mandate) were held by Free French troops, most of them Chadian. And the governor-general was Félix Eboué, the only black colonial governor in the French empire at the time, and as far as I know, the only black colonial governor anywhere.

Eboué knows he has no future with Vichy. He also has tens of thousands of Chadian troops along with a contingent of Free French soldiers, and he knows that without a navy, Vichy can't make him do anything he doesn't want to do. So in early 1942, he declares the independence of the Federation of Equatorial Africa.

Now, one thing to remember about Eboué is that he wasn't African-born - he was a descendant of slaves born in French Guiana - and he was very much a French civil servant. In the 1920s, as a lower-ranking colonial administrator in Ubangi-Shari, he maintained good relations with local chiefs but also enforced corvée labor. As governor of Chad and hen governor-general of AOF, he promoted African administrators and expanded educational opportunities, and he drafted a plan to increase African political rights, but he took a gradualist approach to all these policies and built them around French-assimilated évolués. So his federation wouldn't be a fully decolonized state - instead, at least in the beginning, it would be a paternalistic, limited-suffrage regime with many Frenchmen retaining positions of authority and with the Church having major influence over education.

Even so, an African state with a black president in the 1940s would no doubt make an impression on other colonized peoples, particularly those in neighboring Belgian Congo. Also, as early as the late 1930s, Eboué had begun to groom educated African civil servants for political leadership. One of his protégés was Jean-Hilaire Aubame, who might well succeed him ITTL and who would move toward universal suffrage and dismantling of remaining colonial institutions. And this, too, will happen under the eyes of the Congolese and Nigerians.

Of course, this raises the question of whether the federation can stay together over the long term. The Muslims in Chad, who will form most of the military (at least at first) might not be comfortable with the political dominance of the coastal Catholics; the relatively underpopulated cantons of Gabon, Ubangi-Shari and Congo might feel disenfranchised in a federation that will probably be run from Douala; and the nomads in northern Chad won't want to be ruled by anyone. On the other hand, the common threat posed by Vichy France, and the need for a strong defense in a world that may be more hostile to decolonization than our own, might provide an incentive to resolve these differences in the short term, and beginning in the 60s, oil rents could be used to bribe restive provinces.

Any thoughts on how this might play out?
 
So basically Free French on this map, I'm guessing:
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Not an expert on this but very interested on how this may turn out.
EDIT: depending on how rich the country is I can see an effort to connect the Chari and Ubangi rivers, in an effort to increase commerce.
 
I know to much about communism...

Free French get beaten to the pulp by nazis, due to the fact that vichy and nazis are allied. Civil rights movement occurs in Africa to see if they can hold Governor stuff. Nazis mad, new alliance formed, called confederation of the peoples, basically all equal people, which eventually appeals to communism to get help from Nazis. Third World War happens, Communists versus Nazis (Nazi party actually would still hate communism, hate against communism was actually part of nazi birth) Communist revolution occurs in berlin almost immediately, due to the fact that communism was invented in germany and hate of nazis (I know waaaaaaaay to much about communism. It really was formed in Germany) basically it communist Britan, France, and USSR against America. Or you can have something else...
 
I doubt it would last too long.

Vichy France will claim all French territories even those run by Free French forces. To look legitimate in the eyes of the French people they must crush the Free French forces as soon as possible.

With Britain out of the equation, the remnants of the French navy and the German navy land in Belgian Congo and Togo. Soon they have positions all along the Congo River and in Niger. They also land in Spanish Guinea as Franco would support the Germans & Vichy France because Spain is now not threatened by the British.

After the Free French refuse to surrender, Vichy France invades, quickly capturing Brazzaville, Libreville, Banjul and N'Djamena. Cameroons is the last to fall as Douala and Yaoundé are far from Vichy aligned territory but they will fall probably from a coastal landing which the depleted Free French forces cannot defend against. There are Free French holdouts throughout the area but nothing very disruptive most tribes, powerful factions align themselves with the new French administration.

It would be nice to think that it could have been a successful nation, but it wouldn't survive too long. Vichy France cannot afford politically to have Free French running a large part of its former empire.

Britain would probably give some assistance to the Free French but nothing that could stop a determined invasion by Vichy France. The Félix Eboué regime is seen as the last gasp of the Free French.

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So basically Free French on this map, I'm guessing

Exactly.

EDIT: depending on how rich the country is I can see an effort to connect the Chari and Ubangi rivers, in an effort to increase commerce.

Hmmm. Not sure how easy that would be. Some of the Ubangi tributaries rise pretty close to the Chari basin, but I'm not certain of how navigable they are or what the terrain is like between them and the Chari tributaries. If it's easy, Eboué might do it - such a canal would have defensive as well as commercial value, and he liked big projects. If it's even moderately difficult, though, it would be shelved for another day.

Vichy France will claim all French territories even those run by Free French forces. To look legitimate in the eyes of the French people they must crush the Free French forces as soon as possible.

With Britain out of the equation, the remnants of the French navy and the German navy land in Belgian Congo and Togo. Soon they have positions all along the Congo River and in Niger. They also land in Spanish Guinea as Franco would support the Germans & Vichy France because Spain is now not threatened by the British.

Britain wouldn't necessarily be out of the equation, though. The UK may have made peace in this scenario, but it hasn't been defeated, and it still has naval supremacy. Even the German navy, let alone what remains of the French, wouldn't be able to land in Cameroon or Gabon if the UK guaranteed Equatorial African independence. A land invasion through Niger or Libya is still possible, but either of these would be a logistical nightmare, and the Vichy troops would have to fight well-armed Chadians on their own territory at the end of a long and vulnerable supply line.

Events would have to break Eboué's way for this to happen, but I could imagine a situation where they might. An independent AEF would be potentially useful to Britain - it would prevent Nigeria from being surrounded on three sides, serve as a buffer for Sudan, give the UK access to timber, mining and rubber resources which at the same time would be denied to Vichy France, and maybe provide a friendly base from which the RN can watch over southwest Africa. This might violate the spirit of the peace treaty, but it wouldn't violate the letter, and I doubt Germany would care enough about Central Africa to fight a naval war over it.

So, Equatorial Africa as a de facto British client. Where would things go from there?
 
Merry Prankster has requested that I post the following response to pikers3:

"However, there is a way around this. Depending on how long it takes until Britain is brought to the table, the German and Vichy surface navies could be totally wrecked in the meantime. The German fleet took heavy losses invading Norway and the British waged war against the Vichy regime as a co-belligerent of the Nazis
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, including at one point attacking and sinking much of the French navy lest the Nazis get it. If the Germans and the Vichy allies bring the British to the table by fighting a war of attrition at sea and in the Middle East and North Africa, they might have no surface navy left by the time this is done.

In that case, although the Germans could blockade French Equatorial Africa's ports with submarines, no surface navy means no immediate invasion of FEA. FEA could putter along for years as some kind of blockaded unrecognized state in the vein of Rhodesia."

EDIT: Merry Prankster originally posted the response here.
 
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The colonial administration and the army is likely to surrender to Vichy after the peace. They don't want to loose their place, and it's unlikely the British are going to support an independant state in Africa ruled by non-whites and right next to their colonies in the 40s. They will likely get invaded by Vichy and/or Germany rather quickly and even if they have little troops to send Equitorial africa has little chance to stand.
 
The colonial administration and the army is likely to surrender to Vichy after the peace. They don't want to loose their place, and it's unlikely the British are going to support an independant state in Africa ruled by non-whites and right next to their colonies in the 40s. They will likely get invaded by Vichy and/or Germany rather quickly and even if they have little troops to send Equitorial africa has little chance to stand.

Most of the troops in French Equatorial Africa at the time were Chadians recruited by Éboué. They're not surrendering to anyone. Some of the French soldiers and colonial administrators might, as you say, go over, but many of them would prefer Éboué to a France dominated by the boches, especially since (a) he's letting them keep their jobs, and (b) most of the Vichy sympathizers had been purged by this time.

Britain wouldn't be thrilled about supporting a black-ruled state, but one that follows a gradualist policy (such as Britain was already pursuing in Nigeria) would be less of an ideological threat, and the prospect of an RN base along a mostly-Axis-controlled coast could be an overriding strategic consideration.
 
The Germans, assuming they still have a navy, are not going to risk it by sending it thousands of kilometers away on a wild goose chase. What happens if hostilities suddenly break out again??? (a possibility that's never to be discounted). Then you have the entire Kriegsmarine stuck in the middle of nowhere and an easy prey for the RN. Likewise, assuming they still have leverage over Petain, they are not going to permit him to send his battleships all the way out there - there is always the risk they would defect after all. Plus, Paris, assuming they are hostile to London, would be equally averse to the idea of having their fleet caught out of position.

Therefor, the only way forward is an overland advance or, assuming it isn't for the moment possible, a build-up of the infrastructure required to sustain one.
 
Britain wouldn't necessarily be out of the equation, though. The UK may have made peace in this scenario, but it hasn't been defeated, and it still has naval supremacy. Even the German navy, let alone what remains of the French, wouldn't be able to land in Cameroon or Gabon if the UK guaranteed Equatorial African independence. A land invasion through Niger or Libya is still possible, but either of these would be a logistical nightmare, and the Vichy troops would have to fight well-armed Chadians on their own territory at the end of a long and vulnerable supply line.

Well from Niger, Vichy could easily knock out Chad by taking the capital. As much of Eboué's forces seem Chadian, a defeat there could cause the whole thing to collapse especially as N'Djamena would likely be his capital.

Events would have to break Eboué's way for this to happen, but I could imagine a situation where they might. An independent AEF would be potentially useful to Britain - it would prevent Nigeria from being surrounded on three sides, serve as a buffer for Sudan, give the UK access to timber, mining and rubber resources which at the same time would be denied to Vichy France, and maybe provide a friendly base from which the RN can watch over southwest Africa.

So, Equatorial Africa as a de facto British client. Where would things go from there?

If Britain was in charge, then yes it would be a very important client state. It could be used to destablise Vichy French Africa, sucking in men and resources from France and Germany. The Free French still being around could cause rebellions in mainland France etc.

However, Britain is not in charge in this scenario. It has been defeated by the Germans. This would be a massive shock to the British people, Empire, politics and prestige. It would be the first major defeat for Britain/England in a very long time. It would no doubt upend British politics dependent on who gets blamed for the loss.

Also if Britain was starved/bombed into submission then its' economy would be in complete ruins. There might be hyperinflation or other economic nastynesss which would take precedence over foreign affairs.

At this time, India would be Britain's main focus overseas. With Britain being defeated Indian might take advantage of the situation and rebel. Even if that doesn't happen and partition takes place anyways, much of Britain's military would focused on keeping order there


So, in summary, a defeated Britain has a lot of other problems before trying to deny Vichy France a few colonies. Britain would be licking its' wounds at the least and wouldn't want to do anything to provoke a victorious Germany.

If Equatorial Africa can survive 5 years, then I can see a recovered Britain becoming very interested and supportive of it.

This might violate the spirit of the peace treaty, but it wouldn't violate the letter, and I doubt Germany would care enough about Central Africa to fight a naval war over it.

The Germans would care enough I think. Mopping up the last Free French would allow the Vichy government to show itself as the only legitimate government of the French people & empire.

Would have the allies in OTL allowed a Nazi government in Austria after the war just because it was out of the way and not threat to them?

Germany would want Vichy France to be as powerful as possible to help it against what is lurking over its' Eastern border...
 

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The Germans are going to, no matter what be turning towards the East in the aftermath of a peace treaty in the West. Thats not to say I think Barbarossa is inevitable, but any Hitler-replacing Junta in this scenario has to realize that while Germany has to go though the economic shocks of winding down from a war and looting financial system to the New European Order that Stalin is still there. Mind you Stalin is smart enough to not launch a war on his own but what you'd be facing on the Prussian-Polish-Romanian-USSR Frontier is a whole lot of military power and a whole lot of forces on both sides focusing on the "Coming War".

With that in mind, Vichy can complain all they want but their new masters in Germany are not going to be interested in the huge amount of assets that would be needed to retake FEA. Its very easy to put arrows on maps but infrastructure and logistics issues make the Vichy reaction a non-starter.

Naval Assets would have to be deployed thousands of miles away from bases of operation that can maintain them. Ground forces fighting in the Republic would have an even worse time of things, there isn't the infrastructure to support anything close to a Blitz, and just the issue of food for the invading force would lead to the problem of a force being capable of being well supplied isn't a force large enough to beat Eboue's forces and a force that can beat Eboue's forces is too big to be fed. Air assets wouldn't be enough, and who wants to deploy ever Ju-52 to what amounts to the Far side of the World for Berlin? Even if air assets were sent they'd be best comparable to the Bombers the USAAF sent to China, spending more time flying in fuel and supplies to launch missions than actually launching missions.

The Vichy regime will be livid. The Vichy regime also cannot do anything about it, it would take years to be able to build up the capacity to act on their own and they'll be dealing with plenty of problems elsewhere. The end result being that the FEA and Vichy might just wind up with an unpleasant relationship, they don't like each other but neither side has the ability to change the situation. The Eboue Government in turn just becomes another boogeyman for the New European Order to lash out at in speeches after the Soviets, the Jews, the British Imperialists, and the American Capitalists.

The British in turn have plenty of reason to support the FEA. For one thing, The Eboue regime is one that they can decidedly work with, it cripples the New European Order's ability to be a force in Sub-Saharan Africa, and all at the cost of some weapons, SOE instructors and in the medium-term, some money from the Foreign Office. Long term it can be a problem, but its particularly easy for the British to pretend that they can draw out decolonization in Africa if they have to, the Conservative Government that replaces Churchill will look to how long the Indian Departure had been slowed at that point as proof. A Labour government that would keep the fire on the Germans and inevitably come to power in a 1942/43 General Election would look the Federation as proof that the colonies can be made to be less expensive by supporting "native" paternal rule.

That said in regards to Africa, the FEAs survival can face some real problems, the New European Order is a pretty dysfunctional system, at some point the house of cards is going to be remade or collapse on itself. If there is another generation of Vichy politicians their reactions can range from a final peace treaty and trying to woo the FEA to their side to actually building the colonial infrastructure to launch a war. British support could wobble or grow stronger. American support might be forthcoming (GOP president only though, most likely).

And as Jonathan said there are going to be ethnic tensions. Chad vs Congo seems to be the main divide, especially due to the fact that one has the Army recruitment and the other has the population. But plenty of countries have been able to handle such divides. Especially if the Federation is more interested in looking into their resources than the Colonial regime was IOTL.
 
Several issues here:
1) If Hitler dies, the rest of the party don't play nice with each other, Goering may be the nominal successor, but he's fairly incompetent, and not well liked.
2) Germany can't sit on its laurels, either they draw down the military to a degree, or go bankrupt in debt to the Soviets. Plus, they all still hate the Soviets.
3) Even if Germany doesn't declare war on the US, they're going to end up there sooner or later.
4) Britain giving up isn't real likely, Lend-Lease is already in place, so their supplies are better.
 
Several issues here:
1) If Hitler dies, the rest of the party don't play nice with each other, Goering may be the nominal successor, but he's fairly incompetent, and not well liked.

Increased intra-service rivalries is one thing, but an outright civil war is highly unlikely IMO

2) Germany can't sit on its laurels, either they draw down the military to a degree, or go bankrupt in debt to the Soviets. Plus, they all still hate the Soviets.
The Soviets were giving them lots of stuff almost for free. If we posit an armistice with Britain, then Germany has acces to world markets and the gold reserves of half of Europe, as well as a couple of highly advanced industrial sectors, with which they can finance their foreign trade.

3) Even if Germany doesn't declare war on the US, they're going to end up there sooner or later.
Why? If everyone is at peace, how does FDR justify initiating war?


4) Britain giving up isn't real likely, Lend-Lease is already in place, so their supplies are better.
Of course not, and it's also likely that the conditions under which the British might at least consider a "strategic pause" aren't likely to overlap with what Germany may be willing to offer. However, if I understand correctly, this isn't really the purpose of the thread.

Lets just assume the British government carries through with Lord Halifax's suggestion of seeking secret Italian mediation (this takes place after Petain had become PM of France), on the condition that 'the safety and security of the empire is assured', Hitler dies at an opportune moment, and everyone somehow meets somewhere in the middle regarding what they may be willing to concede.
 
In this scenario(which I find interestingly plausible), what will the USSR do in the long term? Will they plan to attack Germany full-force? Attempt sabotage through Communist movements within Europe? Peace and Reconciliation?
 
Increased intra-service rivalries is one thing, but an outright civil war is highly unlikely IMO
Given the amount of rivalry in play already this would cause a total deadlock, which for the enemy is almost as good as civil war.

The Soviets were giving them lots of stuff almost for free. If we posit an armistice with Britain, then Germany has acces to world markets and the gold reserves of half of Europe, as well as a couple of highly advanced industrial sectors, with which they can finance their foreign trade.
They'd already looted what they could, getting more gold means conquering more nations.

Why? If everyone is at peace, how does FDR justify initiating war?
You have given Britain no reason to try for peace, the PoD is in 1940, so you've already proven you can't threaten them directly, and for now the U-Boats are under control, just, so Britain has no actual reason to give up, and thus Germany has no reason to stop USW, which is what's going to tip the balance.

Lets just assume the British government carries through with Lord Halifax's suggestion of seeking secret Italian mediation (this takes place after Petain had become PM of France), on the condition that 'the safety and security of the empire is assured', Hitler dies at an opportune moment, and everyone somehow meets somewhere in the middle regarding what they may be willing to concede.
1941 PoD, the only nations left both sides might trust as the 'S's, ie, Sweden and Switzerland.

Can we agree though, that even with a scenario where the war has gone cold, that the stuff put up by Pikers3 is terribly unrealistic?
 
Can we agree though, that even with a scenario where the war has gone cold, that the stuff put up by Pikers3 is terribly unrealistic?

Yes, yes we can. And there is no way that the Germans would control the Belgian Congo. The government in exile would rather have them declare independence then let the Germans have it.
 
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