Likely marriages if Edward VI Tudor survives?

It's good i like it, will Edward push one son into Church or will both of them be married off to secure the dynasty.

Also personally not sure if Mary would commit suicide - wasn't that seen as a sin by the Catholic Church?

Are you still going to continue the other TL?
 
It's good i like it, will Edward push one son into Church or will both of them be married off to secure the dynasty.

Also personally not sure if Mary would commit suicide - wasn't that seen as a sin by the Catholic Church?

Are you still going to continue the other TL?

Hmm ok, Mary will not commit suicide then. And of course! I've got a revolution and a world war coming in a Byzantine steampunk world, why on earth would I want to give that up?? ;)

I just fancied doing some Tudor stuff to supplement it. Since Isaac's Empire isn't getting much feedback at the moment, I've put it on the back burner until interest revives. I need a name for this TL by the way, I thought "A Kynge of the True Faithe"- but I'm not sure if this is correct spelling for 16th century English. Can someone let me know? Cheers.
 
For 16th century English I believe you can get away with near enough any spelling you want!
Even in the late c17th (viz Pepys' Diaries) spelling is...flexible.

I agree with those who say suicide is a hugely unlikely end to the life of a devout Catholic like Mary.

Intrigued by some of the implications here, esp. the alliance with Europe's other flank power...
 
So the question is rather than wives, how do continental wars get effected by Edward VI? Depending on how absolute his rule is, the Tudor intervention on the continent could get messy and involved.

The Italian Wars ended 6 years after Edward's OTL death. His survival would likely have some effect. My guess is that his dad's attempt to expand the Pale of Calais to the south will be abandoned and there will be Anglo-French cooperation against the Habsburgs. An English campaign in Flanders will free up French forces for Italy. The Pale could expand northward instead.
 
However, not everyone was so delighted. Mary the Spaniard, the elder sister of Edward, had been waiting now for over twenty years to clear her own name and restore the Catholic faith in England against the Protestant heretics; now her chances appeared to be retreating again. Once more, she was plunged into despair. Her life in England was now becoming intolerable. Over the autumn of 1553, she entered into correspondence with her cousin, the Holy Roman Emperor Charles V, who agreed to begin another secret expedition to extradite her from England.

Mary was heir to the throne by Henry VIII's Third Succession Act, which at that time was the law of the land. Though Mary had stormy relations with her younger brother, up to and until Edward VI had a living child Mary was the legal and popular successor to Edward VI. She rather easily overthrew Northampton's plot to place Jane Grey on the throne, and that popular support came from both Catholics and Tudor legitimists. I don't see why she would throw that support away.

Neither Northumberland nor Parker could possibly have known that their actions would lead to what became one of the most enduring alliances of the period; and one that would eventually spell the doom of the Hapsburgs and their vast dominions. Indeed, for now, Parker complained bitterly of being forced to set out across freezing and stormy seas for Muscovy.

Ivan IV did not have direct access to the Baltic Sea. He also was involved in fighting the Swedes, Poles, Lithuanians, and Teutonic Knights, all powers bordering the Baltic Sea. I don't see what possible use an alliance with Russia would have for England. England has little strategic use for Russia, and what little it has is based on the Muscovy Company, which was already forming regardless of marriage negotiations.

If Elizabeth is to be married, it would be within the Western European alliance system, a system that Russia is not yet involved with on any level.

Princess Elizabeth was also rather unconvinced by the plan. In London, Christmas quickly descended into a violent struggle at court between herself and Northumberland, who was attempting to persuade the King to bastardize his sister in favour of his cousin, Northumberland’s daughter-in-law, Jane Grey. In this, Elizabeth won out. Her brother flew into a rage with Northumberland, and seriously threatened to remove Jane totally from the line of succession, let alone promote her. Chastened, the minister retreated. It was the first hint of the Edward that was to emerge; a man devoted to his family and their well being, and, like his father, only too willing to cut down overly successful ministers.

If he is like his father, then a minister demanding things like this of him would cost that minister his head. This seems an excellent time for Edward VI to take real power in England, and have Northumberland executed. The marriage of Northampton's son to Jane Grey is a direct threat to Edward's line, since that makes Northampton loyal to a possible pretender's line. If Edward VI is a Tudor then he will execute Northumberland, and probably Northampton's son and Jane Grey.

1557- Edward marries 12 year old Elisabeth of Valois.

If Edward is eager to secure his line on the throne, then would he turn to another foreign bride or possibly a domestic bride of childbearing age?

1558- Archbishop Cranmer is assassinated by an extremist Marian supporter. Edward begins major purges of Catholics, but refuses advice by the new Archbishop, Edmund Grindal, to burn them at the stake. A steady trickle of Catholics begins to flee England to the court of the exiled Queen Mary.

Henry VIII beheaded open Catholics and burned evangelical Protestants. Though burning heretics was brutal, it was also the common policy, and Edward VI would probably engage in it, champion of Protestantism that he is.

So if Edward VI is a Tudor then he will get rid of overmighty subjects and burn heretics. Northampton is an overmighty subject, and the assassins of Cranmer are traitors and heretics.
 
I agree that it might happen, though I also agree with Matthias Corvinus that Russia is not yet in a position where it could be a useful ward against the Hapsburgs. Really noone east of Poland-Lithuania would be of any use. But I just enjoy reading the TLs so I'll go with it.
 
Looks interesting so far. :)

The Russo-Ottoman alliance doesn't seem as implausible as you might think; this is before the era where the Tsars ached for a warm-water port on the Black Sea, and to see the Cross fly once more in Constantinople. I was reading a biography of Peter the Great (admittedly in a later era, but still) but during the Regency of Peter and prior to the Crimean campaigns, the Russian ambassador at the Porte was treated much better than other European ambassadors.

The 16th century was actually a really interesting period in Russo-Ottoman-Persian politics. According to the Smithsonian's current exhibit on "Tsars and the East" (which has incredible valuable artifacts on display: water-etched Damascus steel swords, gold, jewels, and silks!) all three powers were at once major rivals over the Caucuses and the Black Sea, opposed religiously, and were important three-way trade partners with intrinsically-linked economies. There was a weird three-way balance of power thing going on at the time, so detente with the OE to bolster trade, settle rivalries, and support each other against Mediterranean and Persian threats seems really plausible to me, and quite interesting.
 
Well, While Russia was still considered backward at this time. Many felt that given the proper leadership it would become a major power that would rival Poland-Lithuania. Many felt that Ivan was that leader but he suffered a near fatal illness and never was the same. So i think that it is perfectly possible for Ivan to marry Elizabeth and not be seen as not usefully
 
I actually had the exact same question for my TL All Hail Germania and proposed it to the board (heres the thread:https://www.alternatehistory.com/disc...d.php?t=121866).

I decided on Catherine Vasa of Sweden because and Anglo-Swedish alliance seemed really kick ass.
?Did some one mention a Danish Prince?
I think a TL where Edward marries a Swedish Princess while Elizibeth marries a Danish Prince, would pull England into the Baltic, and reinforce England's Northern Roots.
Theis would really butterfly European History
 
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