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Awesome update to an awesome timeline. My only complaint is that the updates are FAR TOO SHORT.

The late nineties were huge film years for me, and you're making it significantly different while actually making it significantly better. Great premise and execution.

...but seriously, longer updates please!
 
Since John Madden doesn't appear to have any writing credits, I assume Miramax will hire someone else to write the Lord of the Rings screenplay.
 
Awesome update to an awesome timeline. My only complaint is that the updates are FAR TOO SHORT...

...but seriously, longer updates please!

As it happens, my plans for future updates are going to put more focus into particular films (so there'll put a lot more space devoted to 1999 alone) -- I can't say if this will make individual updates longer or not, but with the butterflies now piling, the pace will slow. Part of what goes into the frequency of updates will be how quickly I'm able to fill plan gaps in (partly through threads like this)...

Since John Madden doesn't appear to have any writing credits, I assume Miramax will hire someone else to write the Lord of the Rings screenplay.

Good catch!
 
[This update has been snipped, pending a updated draft down thread.]

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OOC: PHEW! Well, since I gave so much space to the story here, I'll just leave you guys knowing about how the story and cast turned out; the special effects and visual style is pretty much as OTL, and while George did end up bringing in a competent acting coach for his younger actors (mainly for TTL's Anakin, Devan Michaels, though Portman also seeks and gets some guidance), he pretty sticks on as director for this film.

But hey, then the story is the thing, so I'll just ask -- what are your thoughts? As to my casting decisions, some were well thought out in advance, while others (like the guy who voiced Sebula doing TTL's Jar Jar, or Osment taking young Owen) were fairly last minute; I'd also love if anyone has a better (still plausible idea) for who to cast as TTL's Darth Maul. Once I have this one cleaned up, my next update will deal with this film's reception and legacy, and posts to follow will each deal with one movie and vice versa.

Oh, and shout out and thanks to Glass Onion, who was Lawrence Kasdan on this nearly a year ago! ;)
 
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Although, for now, I could only afford a wide eyed scan I feel confident in saying:

Yet another great update. Anything that makes Episode I good (or even better) is welcome.

Devin Michaels? The quick google search I did was nsfw... and less safe for my grandparent's kitchen...

You trickster...
 
Devin Michaels? The quick google search I did was nsfw... and less safe for my grandparent's kitchen...

You trickster...

That was... not my intention, honestly. I got the name Devan Michaels from a video showing that he was one of the three final contenders for the role, and I just thought his audition actually looked the best.
 
A couple questions:

1) Is Ray Parker as Darth Maul supposed to be Ray Park as Darth Maul?
2) Does Haley Joel Osment's role in the movie affect his availability for the role that he played in OTL's 1999?
Good catch!
I'd guess Miramax would want to hire a writer who wrote a successful movie for them recently or a writer who wrote a promising upcoming release for them. It seems more likely than putting their faith entirely on a director that has no writing credits.

Their other option is to dust off the Boorman and Pallenberg screenplay, deeming it crazy enough to work.
 

Stolengood

Banned
This is followed by the first appearance, via hologram, of Darth Maul (Ray Parker)
This the Ray Parker you mean? ;)
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Also... I would've switched Osment and Michaels's roles, if only because it probably would've been better to give the more pivotal role of Anakin to a more experienced actor.

Also... what exactly is Jar-Jar's arc, in this? You set him up, and then... no payoff. Kind of disappointing. :(
 
Also... I would've switched Osment and Michaels's roles, if only because it probably would've been better to give the more pivotal role of Anakin to a more experienced actor.

Devon Michaels is the plausie candidate here; HJO was a last minute casting, and seeing as I've got the latter with another role that year, I'm more partial toward finding a different Owen...
 

Stolengood

Banned
Devon Michaels is the plausie candidate here; HJO was a last minute casting, and seeing as I've got the latter with another role that year, I'm more partial toward finding a different Owen...
Fair enough. :)

Of course, another problem with the auditions OTL was the dialogue Lucas was providing to the young performers; at least in the auditions for the first film, the actors were seasoned enough to smooth over the clunkier bits and make them semi-believable, but these young boys... acting against Natalie Portman, they need more to go on than the almost-creepy stuff Lucas gives them for the scene in which Anakin meets Padme (such as the "I won't always be" line, which seems, for some reason, the pivotal line for the casting, but which is completely wrong coming out of a nine-year-old boy's mouth).
 
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John Frederick Parker: I really admire what you've done here in terms of trying to rehabilitate a truly godawful movie using as light a hand as possible.

Let me just share my personal reactions to Star Wars Episode 1, and do with them what you will:

1. Throughout the entire movie, I never felt as though I was immersed in a story of any kind. To be honest, it felt like watching someone else play a series of (not particularly interesting) minigames -- oh, look, here's the "underwater city" game; here's the "pod racing" minigame; here's the "battle-on-board-the-space-station-replete-with-randomly-appearing-force-fields-for-no-other-reason-other-than-to-frustrate-the-player" videogame, etc.

I don't know how this problem can be fixed -- I'm not in the camp that says CGI is the scourge of our existence, for example -- but I do know that this overarching sense that the movie itself wasn't trying to get me to suspend my disbelief contributed mightily to the fact that I never, ever felt a connection with any of these characters and thus couldn't give a crap about them.

2. Every scene with Anakin in it was just painfully wrong. Okay, the film wants to beat us over the head with how special Anakin is, so we get everyone talking about how great Anakin is, culminating with the painfully expository "midichlorians" dialogue. Then, because Lucas has heard "show, don't tell," we're treated to scenes of: a nine-year-old building C-3PO (!), being entered by adults -- and winning a ridiculously dangerous hovercar-pod-thingy race, and finally, destroying an entire robot army.

Each and every one of these elements was so painfully stupid as to effectively break the film. If you want to show how Anakin is a gifted nine-year-old, have him do something that nine-year-olds can't do -- not something that no person in the universe could do.

Seriously: think of how much -- deserved -- criticism the Tony Stark building the Iron Man suit in Afghanistan scene gets from the first Iron Man film. Now remember that Stark a) was a supergenius adult, b) using high-tech starting materials, who c) produced a noticeably hobbled prototype. How the hell is a penniless slave child in the middle of the desert supposed to build anything? Does he make his own silicon chips from the sand? That's not genius, that's just bad writing.

I don't want to belabor just how crappy these elements are, but I also need to point out that the reaction of the adults to Anakin are all equally wrong. No adult is going to say "oh, hey, I bet this 9-year-old I just met could probably win this unbelievably dangerous hovering-pod-race thing." It's weird, because the Jedi are constantly talking about how much Anakin needs guidance and instruction (the one thing that rings true), but then their actions show a complete and unwavering faith in a nine-year-old child to do the impossible.

I would task Lucas to read something like Ender's Game to understand how to write the nine-year-old prodigy role.

3. Most bafflingly: the central conceit of Episode 1 -- that Palpatine controls both sides and is manipulating them behind the scenes for his personal (successful!) aggrandizement -- is actually a really good idea; it's just executed terribly. We as the audience have special knowledge (that Palpatine is the bad guy), and there's no better device in storytelling than forcing the audience to root for the bad guy. But somehow, that never really happens. I think it's partly because there's so much other stupid stuff going on (like the whole oh-look-Padme-is-really-the-Queen-in-disguise nonsense), but it's also due to missed opportunities in storytelling.

So suppose instead that the Federation army is advancing on the Imperial Palace on Naboo, destroying the living hell out of everything in its path. No Gungans, no force field, no stupid Anakin in a fighter; just an unstoppable juggernaut of destruction marching inexorably towards the palace. Oh, and Queen Amidala is inside, having returned to try and rally her people during the attack. A Republic starship sits in orbit, monitoring the situation, but the captain will not fire on the Trade Federation troops without an express order from the Galactic Senate.

Back on Coruscant, Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon are pleading with Chancellor Valorum to give the order to fire, but he won't do it because of some arcane, bureaucratic principle of Senate law. ("Naboo was declared a demilitarized zone under the Kaspar Accords, and by treaty, we cannot use military force within two parsecs of the system!")

We cut back and forth between the Jedi trying to plead with the Galactic senate and the Federation army pounding Naboo into the ground. A character we've met earlier in the movie and come to know and respect is killed.

On Coruscant: A motion in the Senate to abrogate the Kaspar treaty fails.

Naboo: Federation tanks roll through the outer gates of the palace. Queen Amidala's trusted aides from the beginning of the film are killed. We see the Queen in a "War Room," trying to plan strategy and muster additional troops.

Coruscant: A motion for reconsideration is denied by Chancellor Valorum, who looks upon the Jedi with pity, but says "This matter is settled. The treaty is law. As long as I am Chancellor, this body will uphold the law."

Back on Naboo, palace guards take Queen Amidala and her charge, Anakin, and rush the two children to an underground bunker. She's screaming, crying, demanding to stay and fight and lead her people, but the burly guards lock her in a reinforced steel chamber for her protection while lasers rain down all around them.

Coruscant: Shady, untrustworthy Senator Palpatine tells the Jedi that a formal declaration of war will supercede the treaty. He's prepared to move a resolution to the floor, but there's a catch: three members of the Senate are Federation sympathizers. If the Jedi can just... detain them for half an hour, the declaration will pass and Chancellor Valorum will give the order that will save Naboo. "Oh, and one more thing," says Palpatine. "Rumor has it that these Senators have been consorting with the Sith. Do be careful."

Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan, who have been wavering during the entire pitch, are convinced and race off to stall the Senators. Meanwhile, a Palpatine lackey shuffles his papers, and instead of voting for a declaration of war, calls for a vote of no confidence to oust the Chancellor.

Still administering in bureaucratic fashion, Valorum notes that, "procedurally, a vote of 'no confidence' can only proceed without objection by the Order of the Jedi." A pause. The Jedi, of course, have left the scene. With a twinge of sadness, Valorum concludes: "...hearing no opposition, we proceed to a vote."

Back on Naboo: Droid 1 looks at Droid 2. "Our orders are to capture the Queen. Or at least, return with her body."

On Coruscant: Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan come across the Senators, who are guarded by Darth Maul. There's a fierce battle, and, just as the Jedi appear to have subdued Maul, one of the Senators stabs Qui-Gon in the back. Obi-Wan whirls and slices the Senator in half. He's momentarily horrified by his actions, but quickly regroups in time to defeat Maul.

Naboo: Anakin cowers in terror as the heavy bulkhead door above him clangs from powerful blows being delivered from the outside. Amidala is equally terrified, but protectively embraces Anakin, promising to keep him safe. Meanwhile, we see dents forming inward; it won't be much longer before the door is breached....

As Obi-Wan limps back to the Senate floor, we see Palpatine elected Chancellor. "Ah, my Jedi," the new Chancellor purrs sickeningly. "Come with me, as I make good on my promise." The Chancellor leads Obi-Wan to a war room on Coruscant, as he contacts the Republic's starship and begins pummelling the Federation army from space. We see Palpatine gleefully pushing buttons, raining lasers down on the Federation forces indiscriminately, cackling as droids, troops, and materiel all explode from the orbital bombardment.

Obi-Wan is sickened by the scene of destruction emerging in front of him and Senator Palpatine obviously reveling in it, but he remembers why he's here. "You have to protect the palace and save Queen Amidala, Senator Palpatine!"

"That's Chancellor Palpatine. And I am a man of my word, my young Jedi." Palpatine pushes a few more buttons, and the Republic starship vaporizes the troops in and around the palace.

On Naboo: the pounding on the bulkhead door stops.

We then cut to one final scene on Coruscant, paralleling the end of A New Hope: Chancellor Palpatine bestowing the Republic's equivalent of the Medal of Honor on Obi-Wan for "extraordinary assistance to the Republic and the territory of Naboo during a time of crisis." The other Jedi watch, disapprovingly. Queen Amidala and Anakin, having flown to Coruscant in the interregnum, cheer wildly from the gallery. Obi-Wan himself looks uncomfortable.

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Now, that's just something I banged out in 15 minutes here -- I'm sure actual screenwriters could do a hell of a lot better. But somehow, Lucas managed to do much, much worse. What we want throughout this movie is that sickening feeling in the pit of your stomach when you realize you're cheering for the bad guys. And yet the entire trilogy somehow manages to never pull that off. How is that even possible?

Anyway, just banging out some thoughts. Do with them what you will.
 
John Frederick Parker: I really admire what you've done here in terms of trying to rehabilitate a truly godawful movie using as light a hand as possible.

Let me just share my personal reactions to Star Wars Episode 1, and do with them what you will:
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1. Throughout the entire movie, I never felt as though I was immersed in a story of any kind. To be honest, it felt like watching someone else play a series of (not particularly interesting) minigames -- oh, look, here's the "underwater city" game; here's the "pod racing" minigame; here's the "battle-on-board-the-space-station-replete-with-randomly-appearing-force-fields-for-no-other-reason-other-than-to-frustrate-the-player" videogame, etc.

I don't know how this problem can be fixed -- I'm not in the camp that says CGI is the scourge of our existence, for example -- but I do know that this overarching sense that the movie itself wasn't trying to get me to suspend my disbelief contributed mightily to the fact that I never, ever felt a connection with any of these characters and thus couldn't give a crap about them.

2. Every scene with Anakin in it was just painfully wrong. Okay, the film wants to beat us over the head with how special Anakin is, so we get everyone talking about how great Anakin is, culminating with the painfully expository "midichlorians" dialogue. Then, because Lucas has heard "show, don't tell," we're treated to scenes of: a nine-year-old building C-3PO (!), being entered by adults -- and winning a ridiculously dangerous hovercar-pod-thingy race, and finally, destroying an entire robot army.

Each and every one of these elements was so painfully stupid as to effectively break the film. If you want to show how Anakin is a gifted nine-year-old, have him do something that nine-year-olds can't do -- not something that no person in the universe could do.

Seriously: think of how much -- deserved -- criticism the Tony Stark building the Iron Man suit in Afghanistan scene gets from the first Iron Man film. Now remember that Stark a) was a supergenius adult, b) using high-tech starting materials, who c) produced a noticeably hobbled prototype. How the hell is a penniless slave child in the middle of the desert supposed to build anything? Does he make his own silicon chips from the sand? That's not genius, that's just bad writing.

I don't want to belabor just how crappy these elements are, but I also need to point out that the reaction of the adults to Anakin are all equally wrong. No adult is going to say "oh, hey, I bet this 9-year-old I just met could probably win this unbelievably dangerous hovering-pod-race thing." It's weird, because the Jedi are constantly talking about how much Anakin needs guidance and instruction (the one thing that rings true), but then their actions show a complete and unwavering faith in a nine-year-old child to do the impossible.

I would task Lucas to read something like Ender's Game to understand how to write the nine-year-old prodigy role.

3. Most bafflingly: the central conceit of Episode 1 -- that Palpatine controls both sides and is manipulating them behind the scenes for his personal (successful!) aggrandizement -- is actually a really good idea; it's just executed terribly. We as the audience have special knowledge (that Palpatine is the bad guy), and there's no better device in storytelling than forcing the audience to root for the bad guy. But somehow, that never really happens. I think it's partly because there's so much other stupid stuff going on (like the whole oh-look-Padme-is-really-the-Queen-in-disguise nonsense), but it's also due to missed opportunities in storytelling.

So suppose instead that the Federation army is advancing on the Imperial Palace on Naboo, destroying the living hell out of everything in its path. No Gungans, no force field, no stupid Anakin in a fighter; just an unstoppable juggernaut of destruction marching inexorably towards the palace. Oh, and Queen Amidala is inside, having returned to try and rally her people during the attack. A Republic starship sits in orbit, monitoring the situation, but the captain will not fire on the Trade Federation troops without an express order from the Galactic Senate.

Back on Coruscant, Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon are pleading with Chancellor Valorum to give the order to fire, but he won't do it because of some arcane, bureaucratic principle of Senate law. ("Naboo was declared a demilitarized zone under the Kaspar Accords, and by treaty, we cannot use military force within two parsecs of the system!")

We cut back and forth between the Jedi trying to plead with the Galactic senate and the Federation army pounding Naboo into the ground. A character we've met earlier in the movie and come to know and respect is killed.

On Coruscant: A motion in the Senate to abrogate the Kaspar treaty fails.

Naboo: Federation tanks roll through the outer gates of the palace. Queen Amidala's trusted aides from the beginning of the film are killed. We see the Queen in a "War Room," trying to plan strategy and muster additional troops.

Coruscant: A motion for reconsideration is denied by Chancellor Valorum, who looks upon the Jedi with pity, but says "This matter is settled. The treaty is law. As long as I am Chancellor, this body will uphold the law."

Back on Naboo, palace guards take Queen Amidala and her charge, Anakin, and rush the two children to an underground bunker. She's screaming, crying, demanding to stay and fight and lead her people, but the burly guards lock her in a reinforced steel chamber for her protection while lasers rain down all around them.

Coruscant: Shady, untrustworthy Senator Palpatine tells the Jedi that a formal declaration of war will supercede the treaty. He's prepared to move a resolution to the floor, but there's a catch: three members of the Senate are Federation sympathizers. If the Jedi can just... detain them for half an hour, the declaration will pass and Chancellor Valorum will give the order that will save Naboo. "Oh, and one more thing," says Palpatine. "Rumor has it that these Senators have been consorting with the Sith. Do be careful."

Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan, who have been wavering during the entire pitch, are convinced and race off to stall the Senators. Meanwhile, a Palpatine lackey shuffles his papers, and instead of voting for a declaration of war, calls for a vote of no confidence to oust the Chancellor.

Still administering in bureaucratic fashion, Valorum notes that, "procedurally, a vote of 'no confidence' can only proceed without objection by the Order of the Jedi." A pause. The Jedi, of course, have left the scene. With a twinge of sadness, Valorum concludes: "...hearing no opposition, we proceed to a vote."

Back on Naboo: Droid 1 looks at Droid 2. "Our orders are to capture the Queen. Or at least, return with her body."

On Coruscant: Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan come across the Senators, who are guarded by Darth Maul. There's a fierce battle, and, just as the Jedi appear to have subdued Maul, one of the Senators stabs Qui-Gon in the back. Obi-Wan whirls and slices the Senator in half. He's momentarily horrified by his actions, but quickly regroups in time to defeat Maul.

Naboo: Anakin cowers in terror as the heavy bulkhead door above him clangs from powerful blows being delivered from the outside. Amidala is equally terrified, but protectively embraces Anakin, promising to keep him safe. Meanwhile, we see dents forming inward; it won't be much longer before the door is breached....

As Obi-Wan limps back to the Senate floor, we see Palpatine elected Chancellor. "Ah, my Jedi," the new Chancellor purrs sickeningly. "Come with me, as I make good on my promise." The Chancellor leads Obi-Wan to a war room on Coruscant, as he contacts the Republic's starship and begins pummelling the Federation army from space. We see Palpatine gleefully pushing buttons, raining lasers down on the Federation forces indiscriminately, cackling as droids, troops, and materiel all explode from the orbital bombardment.

Obi-Wan is sickened by the scene of destruction emerging in front of him and Senator Palpatine obviously reveling in it, but he remembers why he's here. "You have to protect the palace and save Queen Amidala, Senator Palpatine!"

"That's Chancellor Palpatine. And I am a man of my word, my young Jedi." Palpatine pushes a few more buttons, and the Republic starship vaporizes the troops in and around the palace.

On Naboo: the pounding on the bulkhead door stops.

We then cut to one final scene on Coruscant, paralleling the end of A New Hope: Chancellor Palpatine bestowing the Republic's equivalent of the Medal of Honor on Obi-Wan for "extraordinary assistance to the Republic and the territory of Naboo during a time of crisis." The other Jedi watch, disapprovingly. Queen Amidala and Anakin, having flown to Coruscant in the interregnum, cheer wildly from the gallery. Obi-Wan himself looks uncomfortable.

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Now, that's just something I banged out in 15 minutes here -- I'm sure actual screenwriters could do a hell of a lot better. But somehow, Lucas managed to do much, much worse. What we want throughout this movie is that sickening feeling in the pit of your stomach when you realize you're cheering for the bad guys. And yet the entire trilogy somehow manages to never pull that off. How is that even possible?

Anyway, just banging out some thoughts. Do with them what you will.
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The 20 minute ad for the pod racer video game is where i stopped paying attention to that movie, and i never watched the next two. Despite Natalie Portman being in them :)
 
So confession time, Phantom Menace was the first Star Wars movie I saw. Let me tell you if you never saw the original trilogy everything in that movie is confusing. I knew basic stuff, Jedi, Darth Vader, stuff like that. But the force was new Yoda was new Never knew the Emperor was named Palpitine. If I was Lucas the first thing I would have changed was make the movie less "insider". The Prequels were flawed on so many levels it's kind of funny, but that kids who were meant to be the audience could be left in the dust in three lines of dialog is the most serious offender. Beyond complaints about the script or cries of canon defilement the fact that newcomers, children most of all, can't enjoy what is meant to be the first episode without having viewed the last three is wrong.
 

Stolengood

Banned
We cut back and forth between the Jedi trying to plead with the Galactic senate and the Federation army pounding Naboo into the ground. A character we've met earlier in the movie and come to know and respect is killed.
Jar-Jar! :D

And don't worry, Andrew; this is REALLY good. I mean, phenomenal. :)

Personally, though... I'd tone down Palpatine. I think the whole point of the prequels, for Lucas, at least, is that a future audience would go in not knowing Palpatine was evil; if you presented him doing his actions as a genuine do-gooder who's conflicted about the suffering on his planet, it's more of a shock.

REALLY great, though! Loved what you did with Anakin and Padme.
 
This is backwards:

After text rolls, camera pans down to the blockade of Naboo, as a small ship approaches, carrying two Jedi ambassadors, Obi-wan and Qui-gon, (played by Liam Neeson and Ewan McGregor respectively)
 

Many impressive points to consider. Regarding the first, I agree and it's absolutely relevant -- the main source of these story woes is that the story we got didn't have a protagonist. And nothing so runs the risk of losing any semblance of the plot elements making sense as a whole as not having a protagonist's journey to structure them. Now this is a huge area where the original draft was an improvement over what we got, so my big (attempted) change here is to maintain Obi-wan as the main character (having him be the one to go to Mos Eisley, etc). And one of the big things I'm thinking for my second whack at the last post is adding to that arc, making the start of Kenobi's journey from restless youth to wise teacher more central to the story overall.

On your second and third point -- while I was as impressed with your Palpatine scene as anyone here, there main issue is this: any improvements TTL makes to the first movie have to, given the PoD, be something the man behind OTL's versions would hear and agree with. So even if toning down Anakin's prodigy stuff and keeping the Jedi on Corsucant to make Palpatine a central part of the final battle made for a better movie, there's still the question of whether Lucas would agree, and I'm not inclined to think his ego would allow it.

I mean, just looking at the video I linked earlier, you can tell George is really stoked at the idea of Anakin being "wise beyond his years" and all that (not to mention that, FWIH, he hasn't really been a fan of serious sci-fi for awhile now). And I'm inclined to think he's also in love with the broad strokes of the final battle/lightsaber fight though I do think he'd be open to ideas of streamlining the scene (so that it's not the silly, chaotic mess of OTL), he's not going to want to dump the basic idea of a final battle/duel/Anakin blowing up the mothership. (Though hey, at least in my version Palpatine's scheming doesn't just stop making sense after Corsucant... baby steps.)

Still, great feedback -- many thanks!
 
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