Libibies: A Tale of Futurism's Rise, Fall and Second Rise

06 May, 1915 - 01 October 1917 The Torpedo shot at the Lusitania misses. The uproar over the sinking of the Lusitania can't happen if the Lusitania doesn't sink. Thus the U.S. stays out of the war. The Allies surrender, having become worn down beyond their ability to keep fighting.

1917-1920 The Frustrated Futurists begin a mass immigration from Italy, who had fought on the side of the Allies and lost, to America, a country which now looks like a shining beacon of hope compared to the home that let them down. Their valuing of technology's domination of nature and war, their rejection of tradition, the artistic emphasis on violence, speed, motion and whatnot, all have a lasting impact on the culture of the United States, which will in turn have a lasting impact on the world in times to come.

1920 -1929
Since America never got into the war, the Lost Generation never gets Lost. Futurism fuses with movements such as Art Deco, and also does well with Jazz too. As for the Suffrage Movement, they don't exactly see eye to eye, since Futurists had very little else but scorn for women. Despite the outcries of traditionalists and women, Futurism gains a lot of ground in the U.S. This synchs well with the technological progress of the time . Even their taste for war will gain an outlet in times to come.

October 29,1929 -1939

The Great Depression occurs. An economic crisis the likes of which the world has never known till now. How does this affect it's countries? Well, Europe was already bad enough, and with the Great Depression happening, Communism spreads like wild fire. Germany had promised to aid Mexico in reclaiming territories taken by the U.S. Mexico picks now as the time to act on that. Trouble is, Germany is in upheaval and cannot aid Mexico as promised. What's more, worry is beginning to surface that a continued alliance with now Communist Europe could mean trouble for the elites of Mexico. A deal with America is made behind Europe's back. In a war between America and the European Powers, Mexico will back America. At the same time, Canada abandons it's status of dominion, and allies with America. The lines are being drawn for a second world war - Communist Europe vs. The North American Union. But unbeknownst to these two factions. A third side is forming in the East. However this turns out it will be bloody.
 
All right, so both sides eventually reach a stalemate. What about the rest of it?

Its very inventive, and I like the way that its different. You pull in strands that many people aren't aware of, and weave a different future.

I would guess, though, that if the Zimmerman telegramme becomes known about post-war, this would somewhat cool off US-German relations during the 1920s at least.

Maybe you shouldn't have ALL the cataclysmic events happen in 1939 - after all, it takes some time for an economic crash to really bite deep, and it also takes some time for new regimes to stabilise. Its OK to have communism spread in a domino effect style, but for those states to be able to wage a global war it would need these regimes to bed in, at least somewhat

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Grey Wolf
 

maverick

Banned
06 May, 1915 - 01 October 1917 The Torpedo shot at the Lusitania misses. The uproar over the sinking of the Lusitania can't happen if the Lusitania doesn't sink. Thus the U.S. stays out of the war. The Allies surrender, having become worn down beyond their ability to keep fighting.

Technically, the USA entered because of Unrestriced Submarine Warfare...I guess that doesn't happen ITTL...

Then a stalemate...without the USA, the western front is more likely to collapse in 1918, perhaps the allies are demoralised between the fall of Russia-Romania and the lack of US Involvement and aren't able to cope with the mutinies of 1917 or with Operation Michael in its early stages...

The concept is interesting, it needs a better execution...

I've always wandered though, what if a Futurist Italy instead of a fascist one? Futurism was a political movement as well as an artistic one for a while...
 
Allies = Entente, in this case, right? Because the side the Germans were on was the Triple Alliance (allies).

I can't quite see Germany winning WWI even without the US entering. They might not 'lose' as badly, and what defines a 'win' and a 'loss' is often ignored in WWI scenarios. A German WWI win wouldn't equal, say, a Nazi win. Why would Canada lose its Dominion status if it allies with the US? Wasn't it already allied, at least economically?
 
With the Communists taking control of Europe, Canada wanted no associated with England, which had gone Red. America was thoroughly against communism, and so was the obvious choice. Canada would stand by America in case the Communist Europe situation went from bad to worse. And why did Communism take hold in Europe? These countries had been brought very close to a third world state after the war, with intense starvation and poverty. Many people felt their governments let them down, and were looking for a change. They saw communism bringing that change.

I have 2 questions regarding this timeline:

1. How would a Pan Asian Coalition form during these events?
2. How could the Rise of Fascism be prevented? My idea for WWII has Democracy, Communism, and Pan-Asian Nationalism butting heads

Any suggestions would be nice.
 
With the Communists taking control of Europe, Canada wanted no associated with England, which had gone Red. America was thoroughly against communism, and so was the obvious choice. Canada would stand by America in case the Communist Europe situation went from bad to worse. And why did Communism take hold in Europe? These countries had been brought very close to a third world state after the war, with intense starvation and poverty. Many people felt their governments let them down, and were looking for a change. They saw communism bringing that change.

I have 2 questions regarding this timeline:

1. How would a Pan Asian Coalition form during these events?
2. How could the Rise of Fascism be prevented? My idea for WWII has Democracy, Communism, and Pan-Asian Nationalism butting heads

Any suggestions would be nice.
 

Hendryk

Banned
The premise of Futurism transplanting itself in the US after a CP victory is interesting (though one should make sure that defeated Italy does not turn to Fascism, as that would have enticed them to stay), but I don't see all of Europe falling to Communism in the 1930s. The only country in which the Communists succeeded in taking over was Russia; everywhere else similar attempts failed. Right-wing dictatorships are a more likely political response to the Depression.
 
06 May, 1915 - 01 October 1917 The Torpedo shot at the Lusitania misses. The uproar over the sinking of the Lusitania can't happen if the Lusitania doesn't sink.Also of consequence, word of the Zimmerman Telegram is intererrupted by the death of those bringing word of it to America. Thus the U.S. stays out of the war. The Allies surrender, having become worn down beyond their ability to keep fighting

1917-1920 The Frustrated Futurists begin a mass immigration from Italy, who had fought on the side of the Allies and lost, to America, a country which now looks like a shining beacon of hope compared to the home that let them down. Their valuing of technology's domination of nature and war, their rejection of tradition, the artistic emphasis on violence, speed, motion and whatnot, all have a lasting impact on the culture of the United States, which will in turn have a lasting impact on the world in times to come.

1920 -1929
Since America never got into the war, the Lost Generation never gets Lost. Futurism fuses with movements such as Art Deco, and also does well with Jazz too. As for the Suffrage Movement, they don't exactly see eye to eye, since Futurists had very little else but scorn for women. The reactions of the Futurist to other races are mixed. Some share rascism with many white southerners, other adoopt at least one Progressive attribute when it comes to race. Others are indifferent.
A culture war begins to develop between the Futurists, the Traditionalists, and Progressive

Despite the outcries of traditionalists and women, Futurism gains a lot of ground in the U.S. This synchs well with the technological progress of the time. A small border war begins with Mexico. America as of yet has no idea Germany is helping Mexico.

October 29,1929 -1939

The Great Depression occurs. An economic crisis the likes of which the world has never known till now. How does this affect it's countries? Well, Europe was already bad enough, and with the Great Depression happening, Communism spreads like wild fire. Germany had promised to aid Mexico in reclaiming territories taken by the U.S. Mexico picks now as the time to act on that. Trouble is, Germnay and in fact a good deal of Europe upheaval and cannot aid Mexico as promised. In our timeline, Fascism became a big problem in countries that thought they got an unfair deal, that were humiliated. But ITTL neither side can be said to have truly won. The both fought each other to a standstill. And on top of that,the Great Depression has piled even worse suffering on them. Communism sweeps across Europe like wildfire. Worry is beginning to surface that a continued alliance with now Communist Europe could mean trouble for the elites of Mexico. A deal with America is made behind Europe's back. In a war between America and the European Powers, Mexico will back America. At the same time, Canada abandons it's status of dominion for similar reasons to Mexico and allies with America. The lines are being drawn for a second world war - Communist Europe vs. The North American Union. But unbeknownst to these two factions. A third side is forming in the East. However this turns out it will be bloody.

1939 -1941
Communist Europe and the North American Union are building toward war. They are so busty doing this, they are turning a blind eye to the events in the East. Japanese Nationalism has been talking it's toll on the rest of Asia, as Japan expands outward. It expand differently than in OTL. Sort of like we how we dealt with societies in the Pacific and in South America - Giving aid, but with a price. Setting up dictators loyal to the Japanese Regime.
Japan's strategy with the Commies and the Americans is that of the vulture kill: Wait till they've torn at each other enough, and when the winner emerges, strike at him before he can recover from his previous fight. They even play both sides, giving false information to each that convinces them that they both MUST defeat the other. The Futurists have been waiting for a war to come along for some time. The Traditionalists and Progressives are divided. Some say it is not America's war. Others say that the Communists are a big threat and must be dealt with. Mexico and Canada influence this position heavily. Ultimately, when two spies are caught that under interrogation reveal they were sent from Europe to gather information on America's defenses, all bets are off. When the news gets out the public is demanding war. And so WWII begins.
 

Hnau

Banned
Two things: A) Without American intervention, the Central Powers would most definitely win the war, B) There wouldn't be a Great Depression if the Central Powers won... that creates so many divergences that it would definitely not happen the same way as OTL.
 
Two things: A) Without American intervention, the Central Powers would most definitely win the war
Debatable.
Certainly, the CPs would be far more likely to win, but given the discussions that have been made of that subject, 'most definitely' is too strong.
 
Debatable.
Certainly, the CPs would be far more likely to win, but given the discussions that have been made of that subject, 'most definitely' is too strong.
I Think The MOST Likely Result is What GoldenEraSuburb Suggests, i.e. a Peace of Exhaustion ...

In Regards to The Stock Market Crash ...

With The United States Being The Only Un-Involved Source of Credit for Both Sides; If Anything The New York Markets are going to Balloon Even More before The Inevitable Down-Turn Eventually Hits!

:eek:
 
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