Liberalism Considered like Fascism

Feudalism is a whole social order. Monarchy is not. At one extreme (the biggest role), it means the monarch is (supreme) executive, legislature, and judiciary. On the other, he's just the executive.

And "enough political variety" for what? And for who?

As for betting on genetics: We're not looking at this in terms of monarchy surviving be a good thing, just feasible.

Okay, the other end of the scale... sure. I could see that, because you get political variety from other areas. However, that's just a Constitutional Monarchy, which I concede can survive.

With all that in mind however, I doubt a Constitutional Monarchy would really oppose liberalism, especially considering the other options.

But look, Polish Eagle gave the good reason why Liberalism is trashed, so I guess you're providing the bad reason. I may not agree with it, but I understand it does need to be provided.
 
Okay, the other end of the scale... sure. I could see that, because you get political variety from other areas. However, that's just a Constitutional Monarchy, which I concede can survive.

What political variety do you really need here? Its not as if having the monarch on top necessarily means that local government doesn't exist.

With all that in mind however, I doubt a Constitutional Monarchy would really oppose liberalism, especially considering the other options.

But look, Polish Eagle gave the good reason why Liberalism is trashed, so I guess you're providing the bad reason. I may not agree with it, but I understand it does need to be provided.

Bad reason?
 
Bad reason meaning the reason the world hates liberalism is because of dark elements. Another would be if totalitarianism won worldwide somehow.
 
Bad reason meaning the reason the world hates liberalism is because of dark elements. Another would be if totalitarianism won worldwide somehow.

Gotcha.

Good to see my status as the pessimistic viewpoint provider isn't damaged by being a Byzantophile and a monarchist. :D
 
Now, we have the good reason with Polish Eagle's Socialism, and we have the dark reason with Elfwine's Monarchy option. Now, who's going to provide the meh option?:p
 
Now, we have the good reason with Polish Eagle's Socialism, and we have the dark reason with Elfwine's Monarchy option. Now, who's going to provide the meh option?:p

In the hopes of provoking a better answer from someone: Both.

That is, we see monarchy last better than OTL, only to be replaced by liberalism, which fails spectacularly, and then we see socialism.
 
A communist or socio-technocratic world would be this. Classical liberalism would then be viewed through the lens of things like Upton Sinclair's The Jungle: Liberal capitalists exploited the workers, wasted resources, and destroyed Christian Morality (IMO, it's not too hard to combine a Christianity of Catholic social teaching or similar thought with socialism, and many Protestant sects, to say nothing of Catholics and the Russian Orthodox, had nothing good to say about capitalists) for the sake of their own profits, and blinded the working man with talk of Freedom and Independence. A world where things continued as Marx believed they would would be a world where the doctrine of classical liberalism is equal to Stalinism or Maoism in our world--the Liberal advocates the oppression of the people, especially the working man, in the name of a flawed ideology of Freedom.

That sounds pretty interesting and plausible. I think monarchy and totalitarianism was pretty dead in the water by the 20th century without some huge PODs.

Oh, I certainly think it can. Without the Cold War, I think the United States would be well on its way to a hybrid government of socialism, Representative Democracy, and Technocracy by now. Classical Liberals would be laughed off the political debates, though not hated as much as you ask, because, if the New Deal establishment can somehow be maintained indefinitely, and a lot of its follow-ons, like the Great Society, succeed, we might someday reach the point where Classical Liberals are blamed for the Great Depression, among other evils of the world (Nazism, Imperialism, maybe even Stalinism).

Sounds interesting. Has anyone done a timeline exploring this further?
 
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