Leyte Gulf

Thanks for both items. Not sure if I'll game anything else from this or move on. It will be useful down the line I hope.

I will use them as ATL resources when I get time and back to writing about "Those Marvelous Tin Fish". Now if someone could find me a US submarine order of battle by timeline, that would REALLY be useful.
 
Holy shit! Someone saying something nice about MacArthur...what's next, praise for the Alaska class?

Well... if the lay down builds had come 5 years earlier, their AAA would have helped at Coral Sea and Midway, their M/A guns would have helped at Santa Cruz when Kincaid ran from that Japanese SAG, and their presence would have been of some import in areas where WW II flattops could not operate. Arctic combat for example.
 
Well... if the lay down builds had come 5 years earlier, their AAA would have helped at Coral Sea and Midway, their M/A guns would have helped at Santa Cruz when Kincaid ran from that Japanese SAG, and their presence would have been of some import in areas where WW II flattops could not operate. Arctic combat for example.

How dastardly the Japanese making war before the US is ready
 
How dastardly the Japanese making war before the US is ready

Shrug. The USN had opportunities to turn the tables on her enemies so many ways with a little bit of better work from her technical bureaus. I make a joke in the ATL that the Americans could have had keel breakers and long lances if Christie had stuck to his guns and if:
  • Rear Admiral William D. Leahy, 1927–1931 (!@# !@#$%^ idiot at Bu-Ord)
  • Rear Admiral Edgar B. Larimer, 1931–1934 (good technician, could not get C and R and BuENG to cooperate. Rear Admiral Emory S. Land, who served 1932-1937, was the major stumbling block, but in 1928–1931: Harry Ervin Yarnell, rear admiral, and 1931–1935: Samuel Murray Robinson, rear admiral, were co-Elmer Fudds, too.)
  • Rear Admiral Harold Rainsford Stark, 1934–1937 *(even bigger idiot at Bu-Ord)
had not futzed the critical work up by failing to carry out proper weapon development and testing during their turf wars. The money was there, but they had to play "politics" with Congress to advance their careers as "gun clubbers".
 
Well... if the lay down builds had come 5 years earlier, their AAA would have helped at Coral Sea and Midway, their M/A guns would have helped at Santa Cruz when Kincaid ran from that Japanese SAG, and their presence would have been of some import in areas where WW II flattops could not operate. Arctic combat for example.
Just give them a decent TDS and twin rudders, other than that they are fine ships. Of course this would result in Japan building a response which might delay the Shokakus for a few critical months. Honestly Japan had to make a move by mid 1942 or the naval program of 1939 and the bulk the naval program of 1940 would be in service and worked up/ working up...not to mention the two ocean navy act building program is coming if the war in Europe is anything like otl
 
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