Let's Say This: What If Hitler had...

JEDCJT said:
Does the invasion of the USSR occur?

Good question, it depends.
A lot of German right-wingers were interested in economic and military expansion into the East.
In the circumstances of 1941 though, having just conquered the rest of Europe this might seem to be less pressing.
 
while a direct invasion of Britain seems unlikely, could the Germans have driven them to a negotiated peace? If the Germans had concentrated on Britain alone, and not gone haring into Russia, they might have. If they had wanted to, it seems they could have poured a lot more resources into N. Africa and the Mediteranean islands (Malta being the big one), and taken everything from Libya to the Suez Canal.... would this have been enough to drive Britain to the negotiation table?
 
Probably

while a direct invasion of Britain seems unlikely, could the Germans have driven them to a negotiated peace? If the Germans had concentrated on Britain alone, and not gone haring into Russia, they might have. If they had wanted to, it seems they could have poured a lot more resources into N. Africa and the Mediteranean islands (Malta being the big one), and taken everything from Libya to the Suez Canal.... would this have been enough to drive Britain to the negotiation table?

It probably would have been. If Hitler had concentrated on the Med a little bit more, built say 25% more U-boats, and destroyed a few more RAF during the BOB then it would have gotten dicey for the UK. Here's a thought, during the BOB the RAF was able to vector fighters to the incoming Luftwaffe thru use of radar. The Germans never caught on.
 
Saladin said:
If 10 and 11 Groups really begin to suffer severely, 12 or 13 Group is deployed into the battle zone to take up the slack. There were already contingency plans in place to do this if needed (Allen: Who won the Battle of Britain) Net result, no change except the Luftwaffe lose an even greater percentage of trained aircrew

I disagree with that its more than just transfering planes and pilots you also need the airfields and those would be gone.

and altough i have no exact nr's for that i think nr 12 and nr 13 groups where not nearly as powerfull in both numbers and skilled pilots (lack of combat expiriance) as nr 10 and 11

Saladin said:
If you look at combat loss rates between the KM and RN, especially in the lighter catagories of vessel (destoyers, light cruisers etc) in particular during the Norway campaign, you see a loss rate *slightly* in favour of the British. The KM cannot accept thiskind of attrition rate, the RN can and would

i totaly agree with your point here but what you forgetting here is that at this point the lutwaffe would have complete air superiority this some what equals out the rate of loss altough you are right that the RN could affor this and the KM couldn't

the hole point of my reply wasn't to proof sealion was feasable actualy i think it was never going to work, but if for some reason even for only a couple of days it might look like a succes (witch it never would be) than it could be enough for churcill's goverment to fall and there for make room for a negotiated peace.

and ofcourse i know that all of what i described is unlikely but i doudt any of it is realy impossible.
 
-Managed R & D much better. I've heard of NAzi Germany planning to bobm England with MOLTEN CHOCOLATE for God's sake. The Maus and Dora and stuff could go too, maybe even the Panther. They should have put Panzer Glass in their Messcherscmitt airplanes earlier as well. There's plenty of projects that needed to go, the Sturmtigers, et cetera...
Absolutely. So many fighter, bomber, & tank projects were ridiculous. (Ju-88 & He-177 dive bombers?:eek::confused:)
-Had waited for the Russian winter to pass and had delayed moving into the USSR.
An extremely bad idea for Germany.:eek: It would mean SU had many more T-34s (& Heer had quite enough problems with the handfuls they did meet). Had Hitler not meddled, winter would never have been an issue...
And the key for a successful Barbarossa is to have it earlier, not later- plus once it starts, give all four Panzer groups the objective of Moscow.
Agreed.
-Used all these funds freed up from ridiculous R & D to go into atomic bombs and jet aircraft.
I'm dubious the German bomb would ever have appeared, & jets weren't strictly necessary. They're sexy, but better management of resources & better application of them (just a for instance, allowing Ju-88 intruder raids against Bomber Command & Coastal Command bases:eek:) makes jets unnecessary.
Tigers were probably needed too...
Not. The resources used for them would've been better applied to a simplified Pz 5(on Pz 4 running gear, ideally). (I've always liked the idea of a Pz 5 with 88mm L/71...)
I also think that the V-2's weren't such a bad idea (though they should've been used against Allied logistics, not cities).
They were a terrible idea. They absorbed enormous amounts of engineering talent & capacity, & $$$. The Germans could have built 10 jets & at least 100 V-1s for every V-2. Nor were V-2s able to hit anything smaller than cities... I wonder if V-1s could've been fitted with pattern-running systems, like FAT used, to make them tactical weapons: RATO (to start the PJ) off the back of trucks or converted Pz 1s. Or against BC/CC bases...:eek:
 
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