Ah, maybe I was confusing what I said with less EV for the South.
They tried to, but lost the lawsuit.
Let Us Strive (2.0)
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Okay, one more for tonight....
IC: (taken from the Memoirs of William F Cody)
Several years after the Duke's [1] hunt, in early 1877 (well into my acting career), I received a telegram from Sheridan. It had been nearly a year since we had exchanged pleasantries by mail, and I was still fairly certain he had forgotten the details of the hunt -- the incident with the buffalo stampede and the Duke's brush with death were not yet public knowledge, and the General has faced far greater challenges in his time than chaperoning Slavic royalty -- and yet, it seems, he remained very impressed by my services in that time, so much so, that he was offering me a position in Washington.
Sheridan was to be made Interior Secretary under the new President, and needed clerks with a certain background... To tell the truth, I mainly accepted out of financial reasons -- ever since splitting with [Wild Bill] Hicock and [Texas] Jack, I found I was getting myself deeper into debt... My first stay in Washington was not the most exciting time of my life, but I can look back on my first foray into public service with pride. I can also look back and say that it set me on a path that I have found rather agreeable, for the most part...
OOC (again): [1] Grand Duke Alexei Alexandrovich of Russia
Okay, one more for tonight....IC: (taken from the Memoirs of William F Cody)
Several years after the Duke's [1] hunt, in early 1877 (well into my acting career), I received a telegram from Sheridan. It had been nearly a year since we had exchanged pleasantries by mail, and I was still fairly certain he had forgotten the details of the hunt -- the incident with the buffalo stampede and the Duke's brush with death were not yet public knowledge, and the General has faced far greater challenges in his time than chaperoning Slavic royalty -- and yet, it seems, he remained very impressed by my services in that time, so much so, that he was offering me a position in Washington.
Sheridan was to be made Interior Secretary under the new President, and needed clerks with a certain background... To tell the truth, I mainly accepted out of financial reasons -- ever since splitting with [Wild Bill] Hicock and [Texas] Jack, I found I was getting myself deeper into debt... My first stay in Washington was not the most exciting time of my life, but I can look back on my first foray into public service with pride. I can also look back and say that it set me on a path that I have found rather agreeable, for the most part...
OOC (again): [1] Grand Duke Alexei Alexandrovich of Russia
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This is extremely interesting. SecState Washington and Buffalo Bill, civil servant? I look forward to where TR ends up....
I wonder how the stronger women's rights and civil rights movements will affect the rise of imperialism in the US. The State of Dominica should be interesting as well.
I wonder how the stronger women's rights and civil rights movements will affect the rise of imperialism in the US. The State of Dominica should be interesting as well.
Haha pretty sweet!
Western Union owning the telephone? That'd probably stifle its progress in the long run.
Western Union owning the telephone? That'd probably stifle its progress in the long run.
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(taken from Uncrowned King: The Story of Charles Stewart Parnell by Robert Kee)
The Home Rule League would enjoy incredible success in its very first general election... While 1874 was a bad year for the Liberal party, the Conservatives were unable to win an outright majority... The League was able to secure the introduction of the Irish Home Rule Bill of 1874, the first of its kind -- only to see too many Unionists defected from the coalition, and the measure fail in the Commons... With no coalition to form a government, new elections were called for next year...
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Results:
Election of 1874
Conservatives -- 320
Liberals -- 262
Irish Home Rule -- 70
Election of 1875
Conservatives -- 355
Liberals -- 237
Irish Home Rule -- 60
Election of 1880
Conservatives -- 332
Liberals -- 239
Irish Home Rule -- 75
OOC: I may be doing one more update before tonight's end
The Home Rule League would enjoy incredible success in its very first general election... While 1874 was a bad year for the Liberal party, the Conservatives were unable to win an outright majority... The League was able to secure the introduction of the Irish Home Rule Bill of 1874, the first of its kind -- only to see too many Unionists defected from the coalition, and the measure fail in the Commons... With no coalition to form a government, new elections were called for next year...
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Results:
Election of 1874
Conservatives -- 320
Liberals -- 262
Irish Home Rule -- 70
Election of 1875
Conservatives -- 355
Liberals -- 237
Irish Home Rule -- 60
Election of 1880
Conservatives -- 332
Liberals -- 239
Irish Home Rule -- 75
OOC: I may be doing one more update before tonight's end
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(taken from various Wikipedia articles)
Sebastian Lerdo's re-election in 1875 was wrought with controversy, as his chief challenger, Porifiro Diaz, died soon after the election... But it was his re-election in 1879 that would lead to a crisis in Mexico, as it was close by all accounts, and the accusations of fraud remained persistent... It is hard to say how he might have dealt with this, had he not been assassinated less than two years into his third term... In the election that followed, Defense Secretary Mariano Escobedo was declared the winner... His presidency (1881-89), while less strenuous than his predecessor's, did nothing to democratize Mexico's political institutions [1]...
statue of Escobedo
Pedro II's final years were a difficult ones, as Brazil's economy and government made the rough recovery from the War of the Triple Alliance, as well as the tough transition of a declining slavery... He stepped down due to ill health in 1887, and his 21 year old grandson Pedro III, assumed the throne...
Pedro III
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(taken from Age of Alexander by Edvard Radzinsky)
The League of Three Emperors was doomed from the start, and given that it was doomed, it was in all likelihood inevitable that Austria would be the power to fall from favor. After all, Austro-German relations had been strained ever since their war a dozen years prior, and the growing crisis in Bavaria did nothing to help. As for Austria and Russia... Nevertheless, it was only in the aftermath of the Russo-Turkish War of 1878-79 that the League was officially dissolved, and the Dual Alliance was born...
Tsar Alexander II, reigned 1855-1894
Not long after the formation of the dual alliance, Alexander survived yet another assassination attempt...
Sebastian Lerdo's re-election in 1875 was wrought with controversy, as his chief challenger, Porifiro Diaz, died soon after the election... But it was his re-election in 1879 that would lead to a crisis in Mexico, as it was close by all accounts, and the accusations of fraud remained persistent... It is hard to say how he might have dealt with this, had he not been assassinated less than two years into his third term... In the election that followed, Defense Secretary Mariano Escobedo was declared the winner... His presidency (1881-89), while less strenuous than his predecessor's, did nothing to democratize Mexico's political institutions [1]...
statue of Escobedo
Pedro II's final years were a difficult ones, as Brazil's economy and government made the rough recovery from the War of the Triple Alliance, as well as the tough transition of a declining slavery... He stepped down due to ill health in 1887, and his 21 year old grandson Pedro III, assumed the throne...
Pedro III
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(taken from Age of Alexander by Edvard Radzinsky)
The League of Three Emperors was doomed from the start, and given that it was doomed, it was in all likelihood inevitable that Austria would be the power to fall from favor. After all, Austro-German relations had been strained ever since their war a dozen years prior, and the growing crisis in Bavaria did nothing to help. As for Austria and Russia... Nevertheless, it was only in the aftermath of the Russo-Turkish War of 1878-79 that the League was officially dissolved, and the Dual Alliance was born...
Tsar Alexander II, reigned 1855-1894
Not long after the formation of the dual alliance, Alexander survived yet another assassination attempt...
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It mostly means that women's suffrage gets an earlier start in a number of western states (also remember Utah's women's suffrage has survived); rest assured, the US still pursues a very aggressive FP
Also, Domingo is still a US Territory, and will stay that way for a while yet...
I had not planned on that, at least in the short term; could the telephone in the remainder of the 19th Century and early 20th be roughly the same as OTL?
AAR, I've got some more in store for the Western Union saga to come...
Wouldn't it be more the other way round, with the growth of imperialism leading to the petering out of the Civil Rights movement?
That (in reverse) is certainly how it worked OTL a century later. The US found itself in a Cold War with the SU, competing for the support of a clutch of ex-colonies whose populations were almost entirely non-white. In such circs, the South's traditional way of doing things was likely to be a crippling handicap, and so could no longer be tolerated. Clearly, Something Must Be Done. Hence the sudden interest in Civil Rights on the part of the Federal government.
In the 19C, OTL or TTL, the reverse is true. The US does not need the support of any coloured nations. Rather, it is in competition with a bunch of racist colonisers as to which non-white peoples should be lorded over by which white ones. This will discourage, rather than encourage, any pushing of Black rights.
Dominica could be interesting. Given the residual anti-Catholicism of much of the US, could this attract significant numbers of Italian, Irish or Polish immigrants?
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What I have in mind for the US I wouldn't call "imperialism" -- definitely interventionist, and possibly still with leanings toward further (peaceful) expansion, but the death of the frontier doesn't lead to desires for colonies in the US TTL.
Hadn't thought of that...
Oh, I'm also weighing a scenario via another thread...
I was thinking that blacks, who now appear to have a secure vote, would not be favorable of politicians who openly said that blacks or any other people should be ruled by whites for their own good. It follows that more and more politicians would be anti-imperialist to get black votes.
Doesn't necessarily work that way.
Have you ever watched the Gregory Peck Movie Gentleman's Agreement? At the mid 20C, despite having full rights of vote, officeholding etc, and even one of their number on the SCOTUS, American Jews still had to put up with all sorts of discriminations, including exclusion from the classiest schools, hotels etc and even from entire neighbourhoods. This in spite of being wealthier and better educated than Blacks. The latter could at best have expected about the same, and certainly anti-Black rhetoric would have been at least as commmon as the antisemitic kind was in the century after 1865.
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OK, update on my next post -- my inclination for the next post is to look at the US in the 1880's, starting with the election at the start of the decade.
Beyond that, I'll look in on this site's favorite memetic badass, and some figures you've seen already will continue their careers. By the time the decade is done, the US will have fought a major war.
Can't say exactly when I'll have it up by, but I hope to be ready for the election of 1892 soon, since I've also got big plans for the 1890's...
Thanks for all the feedback
Beyond that, I'll look in on this site's favorite memetic badass, and some figures you've seen already will continue their careers. By the time the decade is done, the US will have fought a major war.
Can't say exactly when I'll have it up by, but I hope to be ready for the election of 1892 soon, since I've also got big plans for the 1890's...
Thanks for all the feedback
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Sorry about the long lull; I've been taking a break as the holidays approached. That said, I think I'm going to be continuing this soon
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Take your time JFP. AH.com's been rather slow due to everyone being on holiday break, hell even me. I can't wait when you have an update.
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(taken from Grover's America by Rebecca Edwards)
Grover's "Buffalo Jobs" -- Sheriff, District Attorney, and Mayor [1] -- could well had been the highlight of his life if some counties had gone the other way... Aside from state policies, Cleveland's biggest issue following his election to the governorship was the national election less than two years away -- after two decades of Republicans holding the White House, and with President Blaine's popularity falling fast in the midst of a sluggish economy, Democrats felt their time at hand. Former Ohio Governor Allen Thurmond had already begun ingratiating himself with the party leadership, and soon established himself as the party frontrunner -- with the new governor of New York taking note... His path to the Vice-Presidency had thus begun before he was even inaugurated in Albany...
Allen Thurmond (Ohio Governor 1872-79, President 1881-83)
Probably the most consequential issue of the Thurmond Presidency was what to do about the remaining military presence in South Carolina and Mississippi... The President made an arrangement with Congress, in exchange for some Republican cooperation on particular legislation, to withdraw forces "slowly, deliberately, and making sure the state governments have the resources necessary to make up the difference"... South Carolina and Mississipi would not be fully "de-militarized" until close to the end of 1882, and by then state governors had established smaller "state guards"...
Hiram Revels (Mississipi Governor 1878-85)
On Thanksgiving Day, 1883, President Thurmond felt a pain in his stomach, and went to bed hoping to sleep it off -- several hours later he was dead... Cleveland was contacted by the newly installed White House telephone that he was President of the United States...
Grover Cleveland (New York Governor 1879-80, US President 1883-92)
OOC: Hopefully, this post means this TL is back up and running -- unfortunately, in this post alone I ran into a number of difficulties, so no more updates tonight; plus, tomorrow is sketchy, since I have plans. We'll see how this goes...
[1] TTL, Grover Cleveland is elected District Attorney for Buffalo in 1871, then mayor, then Governor in 1878
Grover's "Buffalo Jobs" -- Sheriff, District Attorney, and Mayor [1] -- could well had been the highlight of his life if some counties had gone the other way... Aside from state policies, Cleveland's biggest issue following his election to the governorship was the national election less than two years away -- after two decades of Republicans holding the White House, and with President Blaine's popularity falling fast in the midst of a sluggish economy, Democrats felt their time at hand. Former Ohio Governor Allen Thurmond had already begun ingratiating himself with the party leadership, and soon established himself as the party frontrunner -- with the new governor of New York taking note... His path to the Vice-Presidency had thus begun before he was even inaugurated in Albany...
Allen Thurmond (Ohio Governor 1872-79, President 1881-83)
Probably the most consequential issue of the Thurmond Presidency was what to do about the remaining military presence in South Carolina and Mississippi... The President made an arrangement with Congress, in exchange for some Republican cooperation on particular legislation, to withdraw forces "slowly, deliberately, and making sure the state governments have the resources necessary to make up the difference"... South Carolina and Mississipi would not be fully "de-militarized" until close to the end of 1882, and by then state governors had established smaller "state guards"...
Hiram Revels (Mississipi Governor 1878-85)
On Thanksgiving Day, 1883, President Thurmond felt a pain in his stomach, and went to bed hoping to sleep it off -- several hours later he was dead... Cleveland was contacted by the newly installed White House telephone that he was President of the United States...
Grover Cleveland (New York Governor 1879-80, US President 1883-92)
OOC: Hopefully, this post means this TL is back up and running -- unfortunately, in this post alone I ran into a number of difficulties, so no more updates tonight; plus, tomorrow is sketchy, since I have plans. We'll see how this goes...
[1] TTL, Grover Cleveland is elected District Attorney for Buffalo in 1871, then mayor, then Governor in 1878
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Thanks FDW; as it happens, the next adventure happens under President Cleveland himself
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(taken from Teddy: A Life by Richard Posner)
In the nearly two years since his graduation from Columbia two years earlier, Roosevelt [1] had made quite a name for himself as a prosecutor, and had grown rather close to Phelps [2] -- it is not implausible to think that had the DA had died later, he would have become ADA in short order. But die Phelps did, and at the tragic age of 51 of internal hemorrhaging... Rollins [his successor] announced his decision to all prosecutors at the office -- he was not going to seek election in his own right for District Attorney. "And now Theodore" he continued "if you still have you're mind set on seeking the office, I will offer what support I can..."
Theodore Roosevelt, as New York Prosecutor
When all these factors -- from the local Tammany machine to the national Democratic sweep -- are taken together, the question "How did Roosevelt lose the election?" seems trivial compared to "How was he able to come so close?"... Roosevelt's declaration found it's way into just about every newspaper in the city the next day: "I am going to Dakota to look after the ranch for the remainder of the year. What I shall do after that, I cannot tell you."
OOC: Looks like I got a post in today after all. It's looking like I will be busy the rest of the day, though tomorrow looks hopeful. Thanks for sticking with me.
[1] OTL, Theodore Roosevelt went to Columbia Law School and was scheduled to graduate in 1882, but dropped out when the opportunity to run for State Legislature came around; TTL, the Republicans don't have such a good year 1881, and he does not get that chance
[2] District Attorney Benjamin Phelps -- lives a few more years TTL
In the nearly two years since his graduation from Columbia two years earlier, Roosevelt [1] had made quite a name for himself as a prosecutor, and had grown rather close to Phelps [2] -- it is not implausible to think that had the DA had died later, he would have become ADA in short order. But die Phelps did, and at the tragic age of 51 of internal hemorrhaging... Rollins [his successor] announced his decision to all prosecutors at the office -- he was not going to seek election in his own right for District Attorney. "And now Theodore" he continued "if you still have you're mind set on seeking the office, I will offer what support I can..."
Theodore Roosevelt, as New York Prosecutor
When all these factors -- from the local Tammany machine to the national Democratic sweep -- are taken together, the question "How did Roosevelt lose the election?" seems trivial compared to "How was he able to come so close?"... Roosevelt's declaration found it's way into just about every newspaper in the city the next day: "I am going to Dakota to look after the ranch for the remainder of the year. What I shall do after that, I cannot tell you."
OOC: Looks like I got a post in today after all. It's looking like I will be busy the rest of the day, though tomorrow looks hopeful. Thanks for sticking with me.
[1] OTL, Theodore Roosevelt went to Columbia Law School and was scheduled to graduate in 1882, but dropped out when the opportunity to run for State Legislature came around; TTL, the Republicans don't have such a good year 1881, and he does not get that chance
[2] District Attorney Benjamin Phelps -- lives a few more years TTL