Let The Eagle Scream!

Discussion in 'Alternate History Discussion: Before 1900' started by Murica1776, Jun 12, 2018.

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Does America enter WWI?

Poll closed Jun 20, 2018.
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  1. Murica1776 Building an American Tomorrow

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    I think I'm going to keep Stalin as the head of state, but Hitler, Churchill, and Orwell are all either going to get butterflied or are going to have very different roles. Stalin is just such a useful source of images that it's easier to keep him, especially since I don't have very good photo editing skills. Plus I plan on fleshing him out as a character/personality.

    There's going to be a Eurasianist element and a few other tweaks, but you basically figured out the plan, lol.
     
  2. AkulaKursk Well-Known Member

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    I know eventually Nazbol would be the right answer!
     
  3. Goldwind2 Well-Known Member

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    Will you be posting let the next let the egal scream update soon
     
  4. Murica1776 Building an American Tomorrow

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    Hopefully! Work and vacation prevented me from posting on schedule but I will try and take some time while on vacation to do so!
     
  5. Threadmarks: Chapter 45: The New Europe Part II

    Murica1776 Building an American Tomorrow

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    Chapter 45: The New Europe Part II

    In the West and North of Europe, all was calm and peaceful during the 1950's, and for the most part afterward. Like the Rome of Antiquity, German power ended the wars which had plagued this part of the continent, creating a new Pax Germania. The Balkans and the East were much less peaceful, even if open warfare was still unknown. These areas were the borderlands of the German imperium in Europe, with the Russians playing a somewhat similar role to Germany and its allies as the Germanic tribes had played to Rome. This irony was lost on many in the region, who feared and hated the growling bear of the East.

    Yugoslavia was for all intents and purposes, a fortress state. While the Second World War had created a wave of Yugoslavian patriotism, in the aftermath that unity collapsed. The Bosnians, especially the Bosnian Muslims, wanted to get out from under the thumb of the Catholic Croatians and Slovenians, whose Catholicism gave them something to unify around. It also meant that they formed a united bloc that shut the Bosnians out of power, and treated their Islamic religion with suspicion. In fact, not a single Yugoslavian Prime Minister had been Bosnian. Starting in 1950, mostly peaceful protests began in the region, demanding independence, or at least some local autonomy. The government in Zagreb responded with silence, and protests became more terse and violent by early 1952. Around this time, a group of radical ultranationalists calling themselves the Sons of Sarajevo (in honor of those who died at Serbian hands in the city) formed and began to take action. They bombed border posts between Yugoslavia and Serbia, escalating an already tense situation. They also detonated car bombs in major urban centers, trying to intimidate the "Catholic Colonizers" while also making Bosnia appear to be an ungovernable mess that should be left to its own devices. Instead, it produced a wave of bitter anger that resulted in the election of war hero and committed Catholic Aleksandar Tito as the Nationalist Prime Minister in 1954. He declared a massive "War on Jihadism" and deployed 25,000 predominantly Catholic soldiers to Bosnia. Despite his nationalism, he ordered the troops to proceed with the "lightest hand possible" as he correctly believed that a truly vicious reaction would inspire revolt in the traumatized Bosnian population. A grueling asymmetric struggle continued for 4 years, until spies from the State Administration for Internal Security discovered evidence that top leaders in the Sons had been taking aid from the UOCS, Albanians, and the hated Serbs. Public opinion in Bosnia turned on them overnight, and ordinary people who had previously kept mum about the group turned into witnesses against them. The last leaders of the Sons would be executed in 1960. If that wasn't enough to strain the Yugoslavian government, the 1950's also saw extreme tensions with Serbia and Albania, two UOCS backed theocracies. Border skirmishes were frequent, and the nation essentially never left a war footing. This was expanded in 1956 as Tito declared that mandatory national service would be required of all citizens, including women. The Prime Minister responded to criticisms regarding drafting women into the armed forces with this famous quote: "When I was a general in our Great Patriotic War against the Serbian menace, I met many fine Yugoslavian women who had taken up arms to defend their homes, children, and chastity against the ape-like invaders. Those same women are now good wives, good mothers, and feminine Christian ladies. A woman can take up arms for her motherland and remain a woman. That is my intent." The proposal passed, and Tito became a hero to Yugoslavian women for commemorating their sacrifices in the war. Much less charmingly, in 1958 he passed a series of laws restricting freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, and freedom of speech. He also has the State Administration of Internal Security put all "known dangerous internal elements" on watchlists, and forced thousands of Bosnian nationalists to carry special passports. Despite his authoritarianism, Tito was popular at home as a strong leader who did what was necessary for the nation. He also forged closer ties to Rome, as the Italians wound up giving the Tito government more aid than Berlin did, due to Germany's preoccupation with India and Ukraine.

    Speaking of Ukraine, it was by far the most besieged part of Germany's European dominion. The Eastern half of the country was dominated by Russian speakers, whereas the West was dominated by Ukrainian speakers. The government in Kiev favored the West as a result, and invested heavily in the region. This resulted in a great deal of resentment in the East, which was capitalized on by the UOCS. The UOCS used its territory in Crimea as a base to extend its influence into Ukraine. This was so successful that much of the East of the country, especially the Southeast which was closest to Crimea, practically became a territory of the UOCS and certain regions even unified under the banner of the Orthodox People's Republic of Ukraine. To combat the rise of Russia in Ukraine, the Germans sent thousands of soldiers to the country, which did help stem an advancing tide of UOCS backed militias. However, the country essentially turned into a constant, low-grade warzone for control between Berlin and Moscow.

    The Baltics were the calmest of Germany's Eastern allies, having been spun off as independent Republics a la Finland at the end of the First World War. Of course, the border with Russia was very heavily guarded, and they also developed something of a fortress mentality, but they were the least paranoid and most free of all Eastern Europe. However, their front row seat to the destruction and paranoia being caused by the Shadow War between Russia and Germany, and began to despise both powers. At the same time, the Scandinavian powers, especially Sweden, were contributing investment and military aid to the Baltics. This would germinate into a surprising and enduring friendship later on.

    The UOCS Bloc in Europe was, without exception, tyrannical in the extreme. The unofficial leader of the group (after Russia of course) was Greece. The Greeks had managed to secure Cyprus and several coastal regions of Turkey, giving them additional resources and a very strategic location. Tensions with Turkey were obviously high, but the threat of nuclear bombardment predictably prevented tensions from escalating into an actual war. Serbia solidified under a new government after the former nationalists were replaced by leaders "more sensitive" to UOCS interests. The Russians practically ran rampant in the Balkans, forcing out what few Catholics and Protestants lived there.

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    The beginning of the Lithuanian Border Wall with Russia (1953)
     
  6. Goldwind2 Well-Known Member

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    The UOCS Bloc in Europe was, without exception, tyrannical in the extreme. The unofficial leader of the group (after Russia of course) was Greece. The Greeks had managed to secure Cyprus and several coastal regions of Turkey, giving them additional resources and a very strategic location. Tensions with Turkey were obviously high, but the threat of nuclear bombardment predictably prevented tensions from escalating into an actual war. Serbia solidified under a new government after the former nationalists were replaced by leaders "more sensitive" to UOCS interests. The Russians practically ran rampant in the Balkans, forcing out what few Catholics and Protestants lived there.


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    An Earlier Post said that Greek accepted American aide to resist Russia and refused German aid because they were budding up to Turkey
     
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  7. Murica1776 Building an American Tomorrow

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    An Earlier Post said that Greek accepted American aide to resist Russia and refused German aid because they were budding up to Turkey[/QUOTE]

    I retconned that because I thought it made more sense for a Orthodox *Fascist state near the UOCS to align with them.
     
  8. Goldwind2 Well-Known Member

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    Will you be moving on to the 60's in the next post. I feel that only areas worth talking about in 50's are Indonesia, Canada Quebec Mexico and America. I hope there will be some information on ttl american pop culture.
     
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  9. Murica1776 Building an American Tomorrow

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    We're going to see TTL's 50's Americana and pop culture, which isn't going to be too different from OTL. However, with a more liberal and less strictly conformist America, we're going to see an alt-Beat movement that's more popular and more directly tied up with the alt-Hippies, who will appear earlier. Along with Greasers. I'm actually thinking of the alt-Beats/Hippies growing into a rival subculture to the Greasers with that helping to fuel a rise in juvenile delinquency. Which will of course cause a backlash led by a very Tricky man (albeit less than OTL)
     
  10. Goldwind2 Well-Known Member

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    I think that Disney Adventure Land section may be based more on Central America or south east asain themed then Polynesia themed because America has colonies there TTL. I believe that Asia's first Disney inspired park Nara Dreamland may still open but I am not sure if Europe first Disney style park Naples Edenlandia would open without making major changes and denying that it was inspired by American pop culture. Ireland is more likely to be the first country to get a Disney style Park. They may even get this worlds euro Disney because they are america's close ally and because Walt Disney has Irish hertiage
     
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  11. Murica1776 Building an American Tomorrow

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    New chapter should be up by today or tomorrow! It's going to focus entirely on America's post-war boom. The next chapter/update will be on the rise of the Journeyer counter-culture and the beginnings of a 60's counter-culture
     
  12. Wolttaire Well-Known Member

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    Yah!
     
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  13. Murica1776 Building an American Tomorrow

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    Hey folks! Sorry for all the delays, but between vacation, my birthday (July 3rd), the 4th, work, applying for study abroad, and scholarships I've been slammed! New chapter will be coming this week, I promise. Here's a little teaser for you:


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    Fidel Castro, Havana born businessman and creator of the "Castroville" planned communities.
     
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    At least it's better than creating a planned economy.
     
  15. Murica1776 Building an American Tomorrow

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    Ladies and gentlemen, the theme song of the Union of Orthodox Christian States XDx'D

     
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  16. President Earl Warren Well-Known Member

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    Ah, Its great to see a good Capitalist like Castro rise, truely showing the American dream is for every American
     
  17. Goldwind2 Well-Known Member

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    WIll we find out what willl be American verison of the boyscouts next post. I feel that the founder of the boy scout Baden Powell would probbly become a dispilpel of Unist Orwell and turn the socuts into a mix between the otl hittlers youth and the junior spies form otl orwell's 1984. Thus i feel that the boysocuts would not take off in america. I fell that the woodcraft folk would probbly not merge with the boy scouts and would probbly become americas #1 youth organization.
     
  18. Murica1776 Building an American Tomorrow

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    Hey all! I'm really sorry about how spotty writing has been. Work and getting college stuff together have really distracted me from this, lol. That being said, I would like to give you a point by point plan for where I plan on taking this:

    • America's post-war boom is very similar to OTL, and the territories benefit immensely. One fun thing I have planned is Davao City in the Philippines becoming "Detroit in the Orient," for its massive car industry.
    • We're seeing an earlier party shift compared to OTL, with the Republicans remaining the liberal party while conservatives seize the Democrats. This might warrant a chapter in of itself.
    • JFK will be President for at least a term, possibly two. No assassination ITTL. However, I do plan on his womanizing catching up to him toward the end of his term in office, leading to the rise of...
    • Dick Nixon, the last OTL President to be ITTL. He's going to solidify the Democrats as the conservative party, combining stringent law and order rhetoric with a multi-racial faith and culture based coalition that essentially wants traditional American culture to dominate.
    • The 60's will see the rise in the counterculture, along different lines. The role of pacifism and racial justice will be much weaker thanks to no Vietnam War and a less racist America respectively. Instead, the movement will be much more attached to New Age spirituality, free love/sexual revolution, communal living, and drug experimentation. There will be confrontations with police, fueling Nixon's rise.
    • The 70's are going to be very different. No oil crisis and a world that is less dependent on the Bretton Woods system combined with smarter economic policy on the part of both corporations and the government means that the stagflation of the 70's is avoided, although there will be a slowdown. However, the culture war is going to be more severe. The Boomers will be somehow doing even more drugs and having more sex thanks to the nature of TTL's counterculture, while conservatives will be railing against these things even more belligerently than OTL.
    • Germany is going to hit a hell of a rough patch in the 60's. After pulling out of India in 1964, youth rioting akin to Paris, 1968 on steroids breaks out. However, the rioters are a minority, and the government uses popular anger and a charismatic new Kaiser to build support for a wave of authoritarian measures. Rebellions break out in many colonies, but are crushed with vicious prejudice. The 70's see Germany go through tough economic times and push the world to the brink of Armageddon after Russia and her Arab allies decide to mess with the oil supply.
    • The UOCS, for its part, breaks down in the latter half of the 70's. The confrontation with Germany weakens popular support for the regime. However, the killing blow is the revolt of the Arab world as they fully realize the "Orthodox-Islamic Brotherhood" is a Russian scheme to plunder their oil wealth to keep the whole decaying edifice afloat. America and China go into North Korea and Manchuria as civil war breaks out in the UOCS. By the end, a populist Nationalist Socialist regime backed by India is installed.
    • Speaking of India, they become a massive problem child before mellowing out. The government's drive for modernization takes on some OTL Stalinist tendencies, although no famine or large mass terror events occur and a more syndicalist approach is still very much in vogue. Basically a weird, authoritarian syndicalist nationalist mobilization of national resources. Meanwhile, a roaring revival of Hindu nationalism means high tensions and perhaps even war with some of its Muslim neighbors. This combines with a Trotskyist/Leninist desire to export Nationalist Socialism so that "each nation of the earth might find its own path while guided by socialist principles." The result is that for several decades India behaves as if it were a rogue state. Things calm down by the mid to late 80's, but by then the Muslims fear them, the Chinese view them as a regional threat, Berlin wants to level them, and Washington is very pissed off thanks to unwelcome Indian meddling in the territories. Bridge building happens, but it takes time, and there will always be something of a cloud of suspicion over them.
     
  19. Whiteshore Defender of Myrcella Baratheon

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    And things must suck for Pakistani/Bangladeshi Muslims as well.
     
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  20. Born in the USSA Well-Known Member

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    The more things change...
     
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