Lenin Dies Early 1917

Have been looking around this forum for some time decided to take the plunge.

When Lenin heard of the revolution, he rushed back from Switzerland aided by Germany in his famous sealed train. What if however, the train derailed in the middle of the German countryside killing everyone on board, most notably Lenin and Zinoviev. What happens to the Bolsheviks and the revolution in general. The main two guys on the ground are Stalin and Kamenev. Trotsky wasn't around (not really a Bolshevik at this time) and the Bolsheviks were quite happy with the Revolution as it is. Only when Lenin arrived did they change their tune and stop working with the Provisional Government (and anyone else for that matter).

IMHO, I think the Bolsheviks would have gradually merged with the Mensheviks. The PG would probably fall sooner or later and the Soviet would take charge, the whole process being more democratic and Marxist than what Lenin had in mind.
 

bard32

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Then, God forbid, Stalin becomes the leader of the USSR. We know what happened during Stalin's Reign of Terror.
 

Hnau

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Where is this timeline? If I might ask?

I am writing a timeline right now concerning Lenin never being born. Its turning out pretty well right now, and I hope to post it soon.
 
I think Fascism would probably have an even harder time than Communism tbh - just look at the Iron Guard. I think it'd be more likely that you'd end up with a Horthy/Piłsudski-style vanilla authoritarianism, tbh.

And how is that different to Musso or Franco? :confused:
 
A regency council under the puppet Tsarevich.....

One of the events in the HoI II Kaiserreich scenario enables you to put Dmitri Pavlovich on the throne.

Mmmm, bisexual Tsarist Autocracy. It feels so good, yet it feels so right.
 
And how is that different to Musso or Franco? :confused:

Well, they weren't Fascists. (Franco wasn't really either, incidentally.) Horthy and Pilsudski were just legitimist-style conservatives/nationalists who happened to be around at a time when Fascism was as well.

As you'll recall, Horthy actually opposed the Arrow Cross and it's predecessor organisation, (Whose name escapes me now but which might very well have been the Party of National Life) and it was one of the oppositional forces to his rule, and with which the Germans eventually used to supplant him with. Same thing with Carol II in Romania and the Iron Guard. When these regimes got the chance, they generally beat the hell out of actual Fascists as much as they had already done with the likes of Bela Kun et al. Look at what happened to Corneliu Codreanu.
 
Well, they weren't Fascists. (Franco wasn't really either, incidentally.) Horthy and Pilsudski were just legitimist-style conservatives/nationalists who happened to be around at a time when Fascism was as well.

As you'll recall, Horthy actually opposed the Arrow Cross and it's predecessor organisation, (Whose name escapes me now but which might very well have been the Party of National Life) and it was one of the oppositional forces to his rule, and with which the Germans eventually used to supplant him with. Same thing with Carol II in Romania and the Iron Guard. When these regimes got the chance, they generally beat the hell out of actual Fascists as much as they had already done with the likes of Bela Kun et al. Look at what happened to Corneliu Codreanu.

I stand corrected... :)

Ok then, how about almost-Fascist Russia? ;)
 
Without Lenin, I think the Bolsheviks would be too disunited by internal bickering that they loose the Civil War to the Whites, although they themselves were pretty disunited too.
 
I think that Tzar Nicholas II would have to abdicate regardless. Russia would break up into the ethnic republics and fight each other. The three bBaltic States and Finland would support Germany. Stalin and Trotsky would end being terrorists. But Russia would just revert into a feudal society with spheres of influence under differennt governments. The main five would be the Japanese, British, Austrians, Germans and French. The chaos there would make greak war and RPG gaming.
 
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