Leaders of Fascist Europa?

Nietzsche

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I need some help. I'm planning a TL where Germany is still nazi..but not the bad guy. Atleast, not when compared to everyone else. The Netherlands is National Socialist and allied to Germany, France is a Fascist Bourbon restoration monarchy.


Italy fascist, Greece is fascist, Yugoslavia begins a slow breakup after the assasination of Alexander into the Republic/ect of Croatia, Bosnia, Montenegro, Slovenia. Most of which are ruled by nationalists.

I really need a replacement for Hitler (dies in 1938). Any thoughts?
 
I need some help. I'm planning a TL where Germany is still nazi..but not the bad guy. Atleast, not when compared to everyone else. The Netherlands is National Socialist and allied to Germany, France is a Fascist Bourbon restoration monarchy.

Netherlands: Anton Adriaan Mussert
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anton_Mussert

France: Charles Maurras
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Maurras

As for the king, there is a difference of opinion.
The more generally acclaimed successor is Jean, Duc de Guise, descendant of Louis-Philippe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_d'Orléans,_duc_de_Guise

This gets one into a vast and horrid quarrel over the Treaty of Utrecht and other Bourbon dynastic matters. The senior male heir of Louis XIV is the Carlist pretender to the Spanish throne, Alfonso Carlos (or Alphonse-Charles), Duque de San Jaime:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfonso_Carlos,_Duke_of_San_Jaime

But he's childless, and there is a debate over who's the heir after him.

Italy fascist, Greece is fascist, Yugoslavia begins a slow breakup after the assassination of Alexander into the Republic/etc of Croatia, Bosnia, Montenegro, Slovenia. Most of which are ruled by nationalists.

I really need a replacement for Hitler (dies in 1938). Any thoughts?

Göring. Not yet discredited, not yet drugged out, not unpopular, perhaps a bit more moderate (though OTL he convened, even if he didn't go himself, the Wannsee Conference)
 

Nietzsche

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No V-for-Vendetta Anglican Facist government for Britain? We always miss out on all the fun. :(

Though about it, but decided instead on an Authoritarian Democracy. I needed some kind of bastion of light in Europe..

Not that the Americas are any better. <_< President Lindbergh, the German diplomat is here...
 
Hitlers replacement in 1938:

Hermann Goering ( as second in command he would legally be Hitlers replacement)
Rudolf Hess (I believe he was third in command)
Heinrich Himmler (as leader of the SS he would be able to seize power)

Josef Goebbels (I dont think its likely though, he doesnt seem able enough to hold onto the job)
 

Hnau

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Very interesting premise, makes me think of Marching Through Georgia. Nazis as the good guys...
 

Nietzsche

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Very interesting premise, makes me think of Marching Through Georgia. Nazis as the good guys...

Eh. Sorta. They're good-guys when compared to the scum they're fighting. But, yeah. WW2 is going to be Fascists vs Fascists. With four alliances.
 
Yowza! I would say it sucks not to be a white guy, but really it would suck to be anyone. :(:p

Four alliances?! Gawd Awmighdy!!

Erhem, seriously, who amongst fascists can really make the Nazis look like a lesser evil. With the exception of the Romanian Iron Guard (psychos of the highest order) the NSDAP was undoubtedly the vilest of all fascist movements. Worse than the Rexists, Petainists, and other collaborators, worse than the Italian and British Fascists, worse than the Spanish Nationalists and Arab Socialists, far worse than the Wealth Sharers/Business Plotters/America Firsters we had over hear. Who in Wotan's name is the Reich fighting? :confused:
 

Nietzsche

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Yowza! I would say it sucks not to be a white guy, but really it would suck to be anyone. :(:p

Four alliances?! Gawd Awmighdy!!

Erhem, seriously, who amongst fascists can really make the Nazis look like a lesser evil. With the exception of the Romanian Iron Guard (psychos of the highest order) the NSDAP was undoubtedly the vilest of all fascist movements. Worse than the Rexists, Petainists, and other collaborators, worse than the Italian and British Fascists, worse than the Spanish Nationalists and Arab Socialists, far worse than the Wealth Sharers/Business Plotters/America Firsters we had over hear. Who in Wotan's name is the Reich fighting? :confused:
This is Goering's Reich. The "Moderate Nazi" or "Gentlemen Nazi". Lots of population movements, some death camps for political prisoners, forced labor camps for the conquered Untermenshcen, but not the whole-sale slaughter we saw under Hitler.

Where as, there are the Bourbons(well, a Bourbon King with a hyper-nationalist majority) in France and(later) Spain, who have decided that the Germanic races of Europe are barbarians of the worst kind, and that the only way to save Europe is to wipe them from the face of it.

They view Italians, Spaniards, Portuguese, Catalans and such as "those who have lost their way". Their end-goal is a state that spans from Lisbon to Warsaw.

Then there are the Italians. "Real-politik fascists", more or less. Mussolini, the bumbling fool he was, did know Realpolitik. And in order to secure the Mediterean and Balkans as Italy's, and only Italy's, he has been working steadfastly since 1936 to form an alliance with Greece(that he has achieved, by the by) and one with Britain.

Germanic Alliance
Bourbon Romance Alliance
Real-Politik Alliance



And then. Then there is the scurge of the east. The Man of Steel, Stalin. Biding his time.
 
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