LBJ in 1960

Wolfpaw

Banned
Hrmmm. Who would LBJ put at State? Or Defense?

Frankly, I'm interested in the whole Cabinet, but it seems I may be the only one :eek:
 
I don't think he would win but I will out.
President: Lyndon Baines Johnson
Vice President:
Secretary of State:William Fullbright
who does he put on the Court in 1962? Abe Fortas and I don't know who else. does he get re-elected? Against Goldwater yes 'Nam?early intervention Civil Rights? yesThe Great Society yes
 
Clark Clifford at Defense a few years early. Stevenson at State.

I doubt that Clifford would take the job at defense unless the foreign policy situation was as bad as it was at the end of Johnson's tenure. He really didn't want the job, but things were bad enough that he accepted Johnson's umpteenth invitation.
 
I doubt that Clifford would take the job at defense unless the foreign policy situation was as bad as it was at the end of Johnson's tenure. He really didn't want the job, but things were bad enough that he accepted Johnson's umpteenth invitation.
Clifford and Johnson were friends. So were Johnson and Symington. Either of them could get SecDef.
 
Clark Clifford was SecDef under OTL LBJ presidency
even though he would be a greate advisor for LBJ similar the role Kissinger had under Nixon

without Robert McNamara as SecDef,
The USAF and NAVY aircraft would look very different as in OTL
NO F-111
USAF F-15 and NAVY F-14 so 5 year early in service, but with early 60s technology level.
USAF F-12 (interceptor version of the SR-71 Blackbird.) was planed to buy 93 F-12B
maybe also
B-58B C and D versions of Strategic Bomber
SLAM Pluto: nuclear powered ramjet engines cruise missiles.
No Joke the program was on point for first test flight, as McNamara canceled it

although how the Vietnam War will go off, play in this TL a big role
by the way, would Robert McNamara be better as sec of Commerce in 1960 LBJ Cabinet?
 
Clark Clifford was SecDef under OTL LBJ presidency
even though he would be a greate advisor for LBJ similar the role Kissinger had under Nixon

without Robert McNamara as SecDef,
The USAF and NAVY aircraft would look very different as in OTL
NO F-111
USAF F-15 and NAVY F-14 so 5 year early in service, but with early 60s technology level.
USAF F-12 (interceptor version of the SR-71 Blackbird.) was planed to buy 93 F-12B
maybe also
B-58B C and D versions of Strategic Bomber
SLAM Pluto: nuclear powered ramjet engines cruise missiles.
No Joke the program was on point for first test flight, as McNamara canceled it

although how the Vietnam War will go off, play in this TL a big role
by the way, would Robert McNamara be better as sec of Commerce in 1960 LBJ Cabinet?

Interesting. I still doubt Clifford would take the job in 1961, due to having more power as the most prominent lawyer in D.C. at the time. But the McNamara stuff is really neat. If you make Jack Kennedy Johnson's running-mate, than Symington would probably go to Defense. McNamara would make a good Commerce Secretary, but probably wouldn't take or get offered the job (he was a Republican and was shocked when Kennedy offered him a job in his Administration).
 

bguy

Donor
Interesting. I still doubt Clifford would take the job in 1961, due to having more power as the most prominent lawyer in D.C. at the time. But the McNamara stuff is really neat. If you make Jack Kennedy Johnson's running-mate, than Symington would probably go to Defense. McNamara would make a good Commerce Secretary, but probably wouldn't take or get offered the job (he was a Republican and was shocked when Kennedy offered him a job in his Administration).

Could Clifford end up as one of Johnson's Supreme Court picks then?
 
another interesting thing is the Space Race
it was LBJ who persuaded JFK 1961 for "We shall go too the Moon"

who LBJ had deal this in 1960 ?
I think that LBJ had push the first US manned flight
like to overrule Werner von Braun demand for another test launch Mercury-Redstone
so Alan Shepard would launch on Mercury MR-3A on 24 March 1961.
19 days bevor Yuri Gagarin launch into orbit

but even with a US citizen, is the first Human in space
The Soviets will take the leading with Vostok orbital fights.
And Johnson will give his ""We choose to go too the Moon" speech or "We start the long-range exploration of space"
but last one dependent, if US get involved in Vietnam War like in OTL
if not, we got NOVA booster in 1970's (payload 454 tons) :D
 
Found interesting POD were LBJ win The presidential tally
His supporter John Bowden Connally declares that JFK had Addison's disease.
so wat if JFK entourage was not able devitalize the truth?

my proposal LBJ Administration and Cabinet 1960

President: Lyndon Baines Johnson
Vice President: Stuart Symington
Secretary of State: John Bowden Connally (good friend of LBJ)
Secretary of the Treasury: Henry H. Fowler
Secretary of Defense: Clark m. Clifford
Attorney General: William Ramsey Clark or Clark m. Clifford
Postmaster General: J. Edward Day ?
Secretary of the Interior: Stewart Udall ?
Secretary of the Agriculture: ?
Secretary of Commerce: Luther H. Hodges ?
Secretary of Labor: Arthur Goldberg (served befor as a negotiator and chief legal adviser in labor unions question)
Secretary of Health, Education and Welfare: Abraham A. Ribicoff

the ? marks uncertainty because lack of Data how they were selected
Secretary of the Agriculture was under JFK, Orville Freeman who had support JFK for The presidential tally
IMHO LBJ will not take him
 
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