launguage check - german

was wondering if some out there could check that i got these names right for a alt history map where germany won the 2nd world war, but later, after the holocaust became public, the nazi regime was taken down and a new military/democratic style reich was produced

I based it on th style of the Fatherland novel, but revised to coincide after and with other border and goverment name changes and locales

better resolution: http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/9656/vaterland1.png

ps: i tried giving it a school textbook feel, where this was like a world map page in a contemporary history book used for german version of secondary school
 
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Susano

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Sorry, the text is too small. Is the pic so small or did photobucket somehow resize it for me? In any case I cant read a thing.
 
Sorry, the text is too small. Is the pic so small or did photobucket somehow resize it for me? In any case I cant read a thing.
ya photobucket shows it like that...you need to download it and use paint or a image viewer to read it properly...but i think theres a way to resize on photobucket somewhere
 

Susano

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ya photobucket shows it like that...you need to download it and use paint or a image viewer to read it properly...but i think theres a way to resize on photobucket somewhere

I downloaded it and zoomed in, but that only results in a pixel mess ;)
From what little I can read, it seems you made one classical mistake: The "of" in "Republic of xyz" or "Kingdom of abc" doesnt exist in German. So for example on your mao iit would have to be "Bundesrepublik Brasilien" and "Kaiserreich Äthopien", and so eleminating the "von" from all those names...
 
ah....wondered abotu that...cos the internet translater i was using and my old german dictionary on some added it on others no...so just erase all the vons?...also ill try upload a better resoulution...soon as i can figure out how
 
ah....wondered abotu that...cos the internet translater i was using and my old german dictionary on some added it on others no...so just erase all the vons?...also ill try upload a better resoulution...soon as i can figure out how
More or less. There apparently are one or two exceptions, but from what I can see they aren't on the map.
 

Susano

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Yeah, the vons must go. Mind, there are some exceptions: The USA is the Vereinigte Staaten von Amerika, its simply a long-standing term. But thats also the only thing I can think of.

Oh, and the blue states, is that supposed to read "Verbündete" whatever in the lower left bottom? While thats the general translation for "Allied", for the specific Allies of WW2 it would be "Alliierte".
 
Yeah, the vons must go. Mind, there are some exceptions: The USA is the Vereinigte Staaten von Amerika, its simply a long-standing term. But thats also the only thing I can think of.
Presumably, any other United States of could also be a 'Vereinigte Staaten von'.
 
well the allied part is mainly a left over from the allies in ww2, although in this term its more like the united nations
so its a more broad term than just the ww2 allies
 
Yeah, the vons must go. Mind, there are some exceptions: The USA is the Vereinigte Staaten von Amerika, its simply a long-standing term. But thats also the only thing I can think of.

Oh, and the blue states, is that supposed to read "Verbündete" whatever in the lower left bottom? While thats the general translation for "Allied", for the specific Allies of WW2 it would be "Alliierte".

heres a better resolution
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/9656/vaterland1.png
 

Susano

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Oh my. Lets see:
You sometimes get Republik right, but at others time its Republic...

America:
Puerto Rico would be "Freistaat Puerto Rico"
What is Ecuadors state title supposed to mean, in English? Alliance? Very unusual for state titles... maybe in such a context it would be translated as Allianz. Allianz Ecuador... sounds kinda odd...
I suppose Bolivis is supposed to be national socialist? Hence it would be Bolivianische Nationalsozialistische Republik.
Chile... hm, gramatically Sozialrepublik Chile works, so, okay.
Whats Argentina supposed to be in English?

Africa:
"Koalition der Afrikanischen Freistaaten"
Ostafrikanische Gemeinschaft... uh, I think. Its supposed to be "East African", right?
Französisch-Westafrika
Vereinigte Republik Kamerun und Guinea

Europe and Arabia:
Westeuropa-Reich is gramatically right but bad expression. Either its Reich Westeuropa, or Westeuropäisches Reich if its supposed to be an adjective.
"Östliches Reich" is correct, but I wonder what its supposed to be...
Republik Jemen, its written with J in German.
Arabische Föderative Emirate. I think. Even if federative of course is a bit of an odd term, but Föderativ(e) would be the German form, in any case.

Asia:
Unabhängige Republik Kasachstan
Whats Iran even supposedto mean? "Democratic Annex" or so? Whats that?
Vizekönigreich Indien (wasnt it a Vice-Emperorship, though, not a Vice-Royalty? In which case it would be Vizekaiserreich Indien)
Sibirische Sowjetrepublik
Konstitutionelle Monarchie Groß-Japan... but usually the stateform "constitutional monarchy" is not in state titles, now is it?
Republik der Philippinen
Tibet - again this "Anschluss"... what?

Oceania and Antarctica:
Freistaaten von Ozeanien (I dunno... here "von" might be appropriate, for the same reason its Vereinigte Staaten von Amerika)
Reich Neuseeland (but seriously, an Empire of New Zeland? :p )
Antarktische Vertragsorganisation (though in NATO its usually translated as Paktorganisation, but if its just an antarctic treaty like IOTL that wouldnt fit). Hence the abbreviation on a German map should be AVO, not ATO ;)

Lower right corner:
Sowjetrepubliken
Ostafrikanische Union
Faschistische Staaten seit 1938/Unterkunft ehemaliger Parteimitglieder
Nationalistische Republik China
Schweizer Eidgenossenschaft (a term only used specifically for Switzerland). And 1847 by the way, IIRC.

Hm. Singapore and Australia are problematic. The usual translation of commonwealth would be Gemeinschaft, but not really in a political sense, so its mostly left untranslated. I dont think this timelines Germany would do that, though... so Gemeinschaft Singapur und Gemeinschaft Australien.

Apart from all that, as said, erasing all those superfluous "von"s.
 
Whats Iran even supposedto mean? "Democratic Annex" or so? Whats that?
I suspect the intention is more towards something like union. 'Anschluss' as an organisation - it sort-off works in Swedish, although to be honest a country having it would be quite wierd.

India was an Empire, yes...

I must admit, I find it odd that Germany doesn't really have a proper translation for Commonwealth - even we have it.
 
Oh my. Lets see:
You sometimes get Republik right, but at others time its Republic...

America:
Puerto Rico would be "Freistaat Puerto Rico"
What is Ecuadors state title supposed to mean, in English? Alliance? Very unusual for state titles... maybe in such a context it would be translated as Allianz. Allianz Ecuador... sounds kinda odd...
I suppose Bolivis is supposed to be national socialist? Hence it would be Bolivianische Nationalsozialistische Republik.
Chile... hm, gramatically Sozialrepublik Chile works, so, okay.
Whats Argentina supposed to be in English?

Africa:
"Koalition der Afrikanischen Freistaaten"
Ostafrikanische Gemeinschaft... uh, I think. Its supposed to be "East African", right?
Französisch-Westafrika
Vereinigte Republik Kamerun und Guinea

Europe and Arabia:
Westeuropa-Reich is gramatically right but bad expression. Either its Reich Westeuropa, or Westeuropäisches Reich if its supposed to be an adjective.
"Östliches Reich" is correct, but I wonder what its supposed to be...
Republik Jemen, its written with J in German.
Arabische Föderative Emirate. I think. Even if federative of course is a bit of an odd term, but Föderativ(e) would be the German form, in any case.

Asia:
Unabhängige Republik Kasachstan
Whats Iran even supposedto mean? "Democratic Annex" or so? Whats that?
Vizekönigreich Indien (wasnt it a Vice-Emperorship, though, not a Vice-Royalty? In which case it would be Vizekaiserreich Indien)
Sibirische Sowjetrepublik
Konstitutionelle Monarchie Groß-Japan... but usually the stateform "constitutional monarchy" is not in state titles, now is it?
Republik der Philippinen
Tibet - again this "Anschluss"... what?

Oceania and Antarctica:
Freistaaten von Ozeanien (I dunno... here "von" might be appropriate, for the same reason its Vereinigte Staaten von Amerika)
Reich Neuseeland (but seriously, an Empire of New Zeland? :p )
Antarktische Vertragsorganisation (though in NATO its usually translated as Paktorganisation, but if its just an antarctic treaty like IOTL that wouldnt fit). Hence the abbreviation on a German map should be AVO, not ATO ;)

Lower right corner:
Sowjetrepubliken
Ostafrikanische Union
Faschistische Staaten seit 1938/Unterkunft ehemaliger Parteimitglieder
Nationalistische Republik China
Schweizer Eidgenossenschaft (a term only used specifically for Switzerland). And 1847 by the way, IIRC.

Hm. Singapore and Australia are problematic. The usual translation of commonwealth would be Gemeinschaft, but not really in a political sense, so its mostly left untranslated. I dont think this timelines Germany would do that, though... so Gemeinschaft Singapur und Gemeinschaft Australien.

Apart from all that, as said, erasing all those superfluous "von"s.


its suppose to be the confederation of ecuador, the argentinan one was misplet int he translator, my bad there, the east african community its suppose to mean, Östliches Reich is basicly eastern empire, the iran ones supposed to be the democratic union of iran (same with the tibetan theocratic union), india nto entirely sure cos ppl always called it a viceroyalty...doesnt say anything on their wikia page...for the japan one i was using one of the different official titles (alot of countries have different variations)...just thought it look better mainly...suppose to be the kingdom, forgot botu the kongreich one...th atantartic treaty is the same as otl, and the german recihstag does use commonwealth titles in thsi timeline

thanks for the help though...now jsut gotta go trhough the map and rechange...which ill eb doing after i sleep x.x
ill repost the map, with its storyline tmr too
thanks again dude ^^
 

Susano

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Okay, Konföderation Ecuador, Demokratische Union iran, Theokratische Union Tibet... right, that was it. Heh.
 
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