latin europe unified

You also forgot Romania. It is part of latin Europe. If it only about the church then you should also include HRE,Poland and Hungary.
 
You also forgot Romania. It is part of latin Europe. If it only about the church then you should also include HRE,Poland and Hungary.
well, first of all I apologize for my english.
Romania has no borders with any other latin european country, so its difficult to unified it to them. About the church, I thought of a lutheran Germany confronted to this latin european nation
 
I don't think Napoleon could have done it. The biggest drain to the French napoleon armies was the guerrilla warfare in Spain and Portugal was firmly allied with the British. Even at his hight when Napoleon had conquered all of Spain he didn't march and conquered Portugal. The best bet was to get this super state as soon as possible because it gets harder as we approach the XX century.As for HRE Lutheranism occurred in the XV century at the beginning of the reformation.
The easiest POD is the survival and prosperity of Charlemagne Empire.
 
Wikipedia:"The Latin Cup was an international football tournament for club sides from France, Italy, Spain and Portugal. In 1949 the football federations came together and launched their own club competition. European clubs could not afford hefty travel costs so competition was staged at the end of every season in a single host country. The competition featured two semi-finals, a third place play-off and a final.

The tournament began in 1949, and was played between the league champions of each of the participating countries. Every four years, a ranking would be determined for the countries based on their sides' performances in the Latin Cup. The competition was last played for in 1957 following the introduction of the European Cup. Real Madrid played and won in the 1957 both the European Cup and the Latin Cup. Immediately prior to the introduction of the European Cup, the Latin Cup was considered the most important cup for clubs in Europe, the longer-established Mitropa Cup having gone into decline after World War II."

What make us (I´m from one of those nations) so rivals that we were not able to train ... at least something close to Benelux. If Catholic monarchs tried to unite the Iberian Peninsula with its policy of marriage, why not tried it with France. Why not seek a matrimonial union with France instead of with Austria
 

Philip

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What make us (I´m from one of those nations) so rivals that we were not able to train ... at least something close to Benelux. If Catholic monarchs tried to unite the Iberian Peninsula with its policy of marriage, why not tried it with France. Why not seek a matrimonial union with France instead of with Austria

Are you familiar with the War of the Spanish Succession? Most of Europe was opposed to the idea of a Frank-Spanish union.
 
Are you familiar with the War of the Spanish Succession? Most of Europe was opposed to the idea of a Frank-Spanish union.
Yeah, I´m familiar with that (I repeat, I´m from one of those nations) but WI if you get this union before before Austria and Britain to become great powers. Castilla was a faithful ally to France before the union between Isabel and Ferdinand, and even I could see a personal union betwen Isabel and one french. Don´t you think that a personal union betwen Castille and France could get all Latin nations in time? Don´t you think that the only thing that really defeated Napoleon were the Spaniards who were mistaken for enemy? Even in the Spanish Succession War, yeah, most of Europe was opposed to the idea of a Frank-Spanish union but that doesn´t mean that the rest of Europe could beat a Frank-Spanish personal union. even in this case, some of the spanish oposed Bourbon candidate.
 

Philip

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Yeah, I´m familiar with that (I repeat, I´m from one of those nations)

The two are not necessarily connected.

Castilla was a faithful ally to France before the union between Isabel and Ferdinand, and even I could see a personal union betwen Isabel and one french.

I don't see this happening. France had enough on its plate, and I can't see them wanting to have to deal with finishing the Reconquista.

Don´t you think that a personal union betwen Castille and France could get all Latin nations in time?

In the mid to late Fifteenth Century a union with Aragon would be more beneficial to France. It's not easy to achieve, but it would put France in a much better position to later take the rest of Italia and Iberia.

Don´t you think that the only thing that really defeated Napoleon were the Spaniards

I seem to recall the British playing a significant role in this, but I have a hard time determining what Napoleon has to do with a Fifteen Century PoD.
 
I seem to recall the British playing a significant role in this, but I have a hard time determining what Napoleon has to do with a Fifteen Century PoD.
Well, first, the English tend to overestimate their participation in the war in Spain. The same was done by the Spaniards (The Spaniards were absolutely unable to endure too much in those days before the French machinery but this is not the point). The point is that spanish missed with the rival. French were not the rival and British could not ever put an army in Iberia without spanish permision. With Spain at Napoleons side, nothing could defeat France.
 
POD: Postumus survives beyond 268. He aids the Alamanni in their invasion in that year, and they win at the Battle of Lake Benacus. The Romans are crushed, and the Alamanni have free reign on the Italian peninsula. In 270, Postumus intervenes in the chaos that is Alamanni-ruled Italy, and Postumus manages to establish control over Italy.

He also manges to keep Gallic rule over Britain and Spain, because they only left the Gallic Empire after Postumus died.

There we go (didn't specify a time period... :p). Whether this will last or not is uncertain. I can't see it surviving more than a few centuries, unless it gets a stroke of Byzantine-level good luck.
 

Philip

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French were not the rival and British could not ever put an army in Iberia without spanish permision. With Spain at Napoleons side, nothing could defeat France.

If you are talking about a mid to late Fifteenth Century PoD, there is no Napoleon. If you want to wait until Napoleon's time for your PoD, then the Habsburgs (with or without Spain) and the UK are great powers. I think you need to clarify in what time period you want this union to occur.
 
I've always thought that the French came close in establishing Bourbon hegemony over West Europe... just have the War of Spanish Succession go much better for the French, and you might see a Spanish-French union. That already gives them half of Italy, they could wrest the other half away from the Hapsburg sphere of influence in a later war. As for Portugal, a worsened Lisbon Earthquake could provide the perfect instance for a Bourbon to be slipped onto the throne... And I guess Switzerland could be licked up in a war or two. This country/union wouldn't be very centralized, but give it a century or two, and it may go from the Bourbon Compact to the Bourbon Union to the Bourbon Federation to the Bourbon Nation...
 
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