Latin American interventions in ACW

Is there any way that major Latin American powers such as Brazil, Argentina, Chile or Uruguay could've somehow directly intervened in the ACW, & on whose side ?
 
A look at a list of relevant conflicts

1859 - 1863: Federal War in Venezuela.
1860 - 1862: Colombian Civil War
1864 - 1866: The Chincha Islands War between Spain and former colonies Peru and Chile occurs.
1864 - 1870: The War of the Triple Alliance occurs.
1879 - 1884: Bolivia and Peru fight Chile in the War of the Pacific.

You could mingle or pre-empt some of these in

You've also got stuff with the Mapuche, maybe involving France, tho my memory of dates is as sound as soggy carboard

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Grey Wolf
 

Dure

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I think that, with one exception, a South American intervention is very unlikely unless there is a European intervention first, in which case it becomes quite likely.

For example, in the event of a Trent war I would think it very likely that the Brazilians would quickly recognise the Confederacy and even provide forces in their support. The reason for this being their converging interests in retaining chattel slavery. Additionally Peru and Bolivia might also be enticed into the war, probably only as naval participants. I see two drivers for this, first, the extent to which they are in the British orbit. Second, their desire to ensure that the USA is not in a position to intervene in the Guano and to a lesser extent Nitrate trade. Clearly, any of this would have to be prior to 1864 and would probably lead to a time-line where both the Chincha war and the war of the tripple Alliance do not happen.

The one exception is Brazil, if it had suffered more violations of its neutrality by the USN earlier in the war, then it is just possible that it may have decided to support and recognise the CSA or even intervene on its behalf. Again this has to happen long before 1864.
 

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How the hell are Uruguay and Chile mayor powers?

And I'm surprised nobody's mentioned the possibilities of the Mexican and American civil wars mixing...
 
How about Mexico offering troops and materiel to the Unionist side?

After all, both are anti-slavery. And a Confederate victory would place a potentially hostile and expansionary state right on Mexico's northern border. What a CSA conquest of Mexico would have looked like, I've no idea. But I can't imagine the natives would come out of it too well.
 
How about Mexico offering troops and materiel to the Unionist side?

After all, both are anti-slavery. And a Confederate victory would place a potentially hostile and expansionary state right on Mexico's northern border. What a CSA conquest of Mexico would have looked like, I've no idea. But I can't imagine the natives would come out of it too well.

IOTL Mexico's Conservative Party largely became pro French during Napoleon III's intervention. Many ex Union soldiers fought for Juarez and the Liberals or ran guns to them.

Probably wealthy elites in Yucutan would be the CSA's strongest supporters, as well as elites in border states like Sonora and Chihuahua where they had bounties for the scalps of adult "Indios Barbaros" and enslaved the children.

There were also some Afro-Mexicans along the Gulf Coast, esp near Veracruz. They'd have the most to fear from a CSA conquest.

I don't think such a conquest could last for very long.
 
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How the hell are Uruguay and Chile mayor powers?

I was thinking that Chile was actually a mid-power before she got ganged up on in a war or two with her neighbors. I could be easily mistaken.

I think the most intriguing TL to me is pulling Brazil into the CS side of things. That would open up the Atlantic and potentially offer a manpower boost to the Rebels if they can find a safe way of transporting them there. Did Brazil have a navy to speak of? Not sure how uneasy the relationship would be but I really like the idea/thought. Would love to see a TL of such ...
 
A look at a list of relevant conflicts



You could mingle or pre-empt some of these in

You've also got stuff with the Mapuche, maybe involving France, tho my memory of dates is as sound as soggy carboard

Best Regarrds
Grey Wolf
A war between Spain on one side and Peru/Chile on the other? Didn't somebody talk about possible Spanish intervention on behalf of the Union a month or so ago? Done the right way, might be able to tie those two together somehow.
 
I think the Mexican war is the way.
Somehow merge that conflict and the ACW and additionally have some latin American nations deciding to defend one of their brother nations (Mexico) against the monarchical European imperialism.

The trouble here though is the French would walk all over the Union so the Latin Americans being in the war wouldn't really matter too much...they would be doomed too and they would know it...You'd have to somhow get another European on the side of the Mexicans and the British are the only real option there- which of course wouldn't happen and if it did would create a war which was far more a British-French affair with everything else being just a sideshow.
 
Perhaps the CSA gets early recognition through Colombia and Venezuela.

Afaik both Colombia and Venezuela abolished slavery only a few years earlier, if abolition in these nations is butterflied away they might support the CSA.
With weapons and supplies. Only if the USA captures or sinks colombian and venezuelan ships (blockaderunners) in a significant number they might join the war against the US.

I don't think that Brazil would side with the CSA.
1) Emperor Pedro II. was quite a liberal monarch and was slowly abolishing slavery step for step.
2) Brazil benefits from the blockade of the confederate ports. I don't know much about it, but I guess the blockade leads to a shortage of tobacco (?) (or does brazil had a significant cotton production?) on the world market which lead to increased prices.
 
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