Latest possible date to save Al-Andalus?

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What's the latest possible POD to save Al Andalus? Bonus points if you can have it reclaim territories and become a great power in its own right?

Also, what effects will this have?
 
Las Navas de Tolosa (1212), probably. Before that point the Moors could mass vast armies from Africa to oppose the Spanish kingdoms.

If you mean the specific Andalusian culture with its tolerance towards others, you'd probably have to go earlier to the taifa period, when Moroccans/Berbers didn't dominate Iberia. The taifas of Zaragoza, Toledo, Sevilla, and Badajoz were quite powerful in the 11th century, and could have united the southern half of the peninsula with some ambitious rulers. Once the Almoravids and later Almohads take over, the age of tolerance ends.
 
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Las Navas de Tolosa is your last chance. And I think it can still grow locally, but not by so much. Uniting the peninsula would be impossible, but the northern christians can be permanently crippled. And as any strong power in possession of Morocco, they'll send expedition or two to Sahel.
 
I always wonder how the Taifas couldn't maintain enough of a field army between them to stop Castille cold. Christian armies were generally pretty tiny, the one big one was the crusade against Valencia and that had Papal and French support.
 
I always wonder how the Taifas couldn't maintain enough of a field army between them to stop Castille cold. Christian armies were generally pretty tiny, the one big one was the crusade against Valencia and that had Papal and French support.

Because Christian kingdoms were skilled enough in confronting the different factions that controlled the Taifas.
Once the Caliphate was over, al-Andalus was doomed and it was simply a question of time to fall...
 
This is kind of like how once Basil II died, Byzantium was doomed to fall in 1453 right?

It was prophecised that it would take exactly 227 years and lo and behold, prophecy came true as prophecies wont.

;)

But seriously if it was as simple as manipulating internal taifa politics, then a different outcome of those struggles should save "Andalus" even without the Murrabtids.
 
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