Latest date to avoid the American Civil war?

Basically the title, what do you think would be the latest date that with America could avoid its Civil war?

And in the scenario, when do you think would America abolish slavery?

Edit: Also what would be the latest date that the civil war could be avoided with slavery abolished before 1900?
 
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Than if the Kansas-Nebraska Bill is defeated. k you for the answer. As a further question, what would be the latest date that the civil war could be avoided and slavery ended before 1900?

None. W/o the ACW there's *no* way to end slavery before 1900.

Latest date for avoiding the ACW? Probably 1854 if the Kansas-Nebraska Bill is defeated.
 
If you want to avoid the Civil War, you need a solution like the British empire used (it used general tax revenues to buy out all the slaves over time, giving the slave owners no particularly strong reason to revolt).
But Americans by temperament don't go for peaceful solutions like that, even though even if you set the value of people dying to zero, it still would have been cheaper. So it is probably ASB to avoid a massive bloodletting in the mid 1800s.
 

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Thank you for the answer. As a further question, what would be the latest date that the civil war could be avoided and slavery ended before 1900?
June 21, 1788. The day the Constitution was ratified without a definitive sunset date on slavery some sort of major break was more or less inevitable.

A more elegant date would be December 8, 1765, Eli Whitney's birthday. Without his cotton gin that allowed cotton to be extracted at an economically viable cost the need for, and value of, slaves would have been depressed to the point that abolition might be possible without the economic devastation feared by the Planter class IOTL (Slaves were, horrifically, by far the most valuable commodity in pre-ACW America). If the cost of maintaining a large number of slaves exceeded the RoI they represented the need for, and attraction of, holding large numbers of persons in bondage would evaporate. Crops other than cotton simply didn't have the cost/benefit ratio necessary to justify what, by 1860, amounted to 1/3 of the U.S. population.

If you look at the statistics of slave ownership, even in 1860, you find that of the ~393K slave holders, 78K owned one slave, 47K owned two, and the total number slave owner that held 1-5 slaves was ~216K with a total of under half a million slaves. That number slaves could, over a 20 year period, have been freed with their owners compensated by the government, ending slavery by compensation and legislation that made any person born in the U.S., regardless of parents circumstances, free born. This would have been costly, but compared to the cost, just in gold, of the ACW it would have been a bargain.

The problem was the fact that a limited number of large plantation owners held most of the additional 3.5 MILLION slaves, something that raised the overall value of the slave population to well of the U.S. government annual budget, and made any sort of compensated emancipation impossible.
 
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Basically the title, what do you think would be the latest date that with America could avoid its Civil war?

And in the scenario, when do you think would America abolish slavery?

Edit: Also what would be the latest date that the civil war could be avoided with slavery abolished before 1900?

The 1856 Democratic National Convention, June 2-6th. Opposition to the Democrats was split between the American And Republican Parties, so the Democrat was almost assured the win. They chose James Buchanan, who thought the way to ease tensions between the free states and the slave states was to give a blank check to the slave states. Needless to say, this backfired spectacularly. Had Douglas or Buchanan gotten the nomination, there would have been some chance to avoid the Civil War, or at least delay it.

If the Civil War was avoided, I think protections for slavery would end up in the Constitutuion. It would only be abolished by Constitutional Amendment, which might happen as early as the 1960s, but probably would not happen at all. There is no chance of slavery being ended before 1900 without a civil war.
 
Last minute, but both are very unlikely:
South Carolinians and other initial Confederate states could have chosen to not be belligerent, and tried to withdraw over a period of years.
Abraham Lincoln could have chosen to not respond militarily.

I don't know in the first case.
In the second case then I don't know with the Confederate States. In the United State an anti-slavery amendment to the federal constitution could have been instituted fairly quickly. If abolition had gone into affect in the short term then it probably would have driven out several other slave states. If abolition was sunsetted, gradual, or compensated then the remaining slave states might remain in the federal union. With about 40% of the South's Congressional Representatives gone the remaining southern states will have to vastly change their politics if they want to maintain some kind of unified federal relevance.

Slavery is still useful in immoral electrified-industrial societies so it could stay perpetually. Public pressure in America, England, and France could have economically forced abolition over a number of years. Historically, people who perceive themselves to be in positions of strength would rather use force to quickly dictate their wills onto people who they perceive to be in positions of weakness instead of bringing about new situations through debate, negotiation, or coercion.
 
Last minute, but both are very unlikely:
South Carolinians and other initial Confederate states could have chosen to not be belligerent, and tried to withdraw over a period of years.
Abraham Lincoln could have chosen to not respond militarily.

The Confederate President ordered Confederate troops to attack Union troops in a Union fort on Union soil, followed by the Confederate Secretary of War announcing Confederate intentions to seize the Union capitol. At that point, Lincoln not responding militarily would have been as impossible as FDR not responding militarily to the attack on Pearl Harbor.
 
June 21, 1788. The day the Constitution was ratified without a definitive sunset date on slavery some sort of major break was more or less inevitable.

The problem being that such a date would laso have been a sunset date on the US itself, as the South would never have ratified a Constitution containing such a clause (heck they wouldn't even allow the African slave trade to be ended for another twenty years) so you either continue with the Articles of Confederation or else split into a Union and a Confederacy 73 years ahead of time.
 
Just before it happened - war between the CSA and the Union was not a given. The Confederacy was even placing orders with firms in New York

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