Latest date to avoid Ming Collapse?

Could it be done as late as 1627 when Chongzhen takes the throne? Earlier? If yes what did Chongzhen need to do differently? Besides not executing General Yuan Chonghuan of course.

(Posted essentially the same question once but it got taken down for a warning so not sure how this goes.)
 
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1643.Chongzheng idiotically ordered Sun Chuanting to sally out of Tong Pass against an overwhelming peasant army under Li Zicheng.The troops under Sun Chuanting were the last combat ready troops that were reliable to Chongzheng’s regime.If they actually just defended the Tong Pass(as Sun Chuanting himself wanted),they most likely would have been able to defeat Li Zicheng.The destruction of this force led to numerous other generals switching sides along with their troops.
 

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The life of Taichang Emperor - had he not been assassinated (I suspect that he was) - it was down hill from there.
 
1643.Chongzheng idiotically ordered Sun Chuanting to sally out of Tong Pass against an overwhelming peasant army under Li Zicheng.The troops under Sun Chuanting were the last combat ready troops that were reliable to Chongzheng’s regime.If they actually just defended the Tong Pass(as Sun Chuanting himself wanted),they most likely would have been able to defeat Li Zicheng.The destruction of this force led to numerous other generals switching sides along with their troops.

Would Li Zicheng still have attacked the pass? He might have gone south instead to capture more cities. And with the Qing threat to the northeast and the empire cut off from the economic regions of the south, it still looks like Beijing falls eventually.
 
The life of Taichang Emperor - had he not been assassinated (I suspect that he was) - it was down hill from there.

But Taichang was basically an idiot way more incompetent than Chongzhen. Not sure he would have handled things better. Could lead to a quicker collapse even.
 
Would Li Zicheng still have attacked the pass? He might have gone south instead to capture more cities. And with the Qing threat to the northeast and the empire cut off from the economic regions of the south, it still looks like Beijing falls eventually.
He most likely wouldn’t have been able to take the south,given there were still Ming armies to the South,and that Ming support was much stronger there due to the region being considerably more prosperous than the north.

As for the Manchu threat,I believe that as long as the Ming Dynasty can swallow their pride,a compromise can be arranged.

Honestly though,a better POD would have been for Chongzheng not to push Hong Chengchou into more aggressive moves during the Battle of Song-jin. Prior to his interference,Hong Chengchou actually had the advantage in the battle,and could have potentially won. Defeat in this battle meant that the Ming Empire lost most of its’ crack troops,along with Hong Chengchou. Without the destruction of this force,the Ming Dynasty could have easily wiped out Li Zicheng’s peasant army.
 
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