Later intervention by UK into WW1 - different scenario

No:

BLOCKADE IN TIME OF WAR
Article 1. A blockade must not extend beyond the ports and coasts belonging to or occupied by the enemy.
 
Because Cherbourg is not occupied or controlled by Germany.

I'm not saying it makes sense, but that is what Article 1 of the declaration says.

... although to be fair, I realise that in this context 'the enemy' is presumably not Germany, but France, so I get your point.

It wouldn't prevent the seizure of a British vessel being used as a pretext for entering the war though.
 

LordKalvert

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Because Cherbourg is not occupied or controlled by Germany.

I'm not saying it makes sense, but that is what Article 1 of the declaration says.

... although to be fair, I realise that in this context 'the enemy' is presumably not Germany, but France, so I get your point.

It wouldn't prevent the seizure of a British vessel being used as a pretext for entering the war though.


It doesn't make sense because your misreading it. Cherbourg is a French port, the Germans are free to blockade it as they wish. If the Germans occupy it, the French may blockade it

The issue of seizure of merchant vessels- a merchant ship may be stopped, searched and, if contraband found, seized anywhere except the territorial waters of a neutral nation.

During the Russo-Japanese War, the Russians were stopping ships in the Red Sea- that is a bit distant from Japan. No one objected because it is well established law

People are totally confused on maritime law around here. Blockade is different from seizing and searching individual ships. Its a blanket ban on anyone entering or leaving a port. See articles 14-21 of chapter one, your link
 
Yes I accept I have been misreading it. However, I still think it is possible to create a casus belli from the seizure of a neutral ship.

Art. 17. Neutral vessels may not be captured for breach of blockade except within the area of operations of the warships detailed to render the blockade effective.
Art. 18. The blockading forces must not bar access to neutral ports or coasts.
Art. 19. Whatever may be the ulterior destination of a vessel or of her cargo, she cannot be captured for breach of blockade, if, at the moment, she is on her way to a non-blockaded port.

So, assume a British vessel is on its way to Jersey from Portsmouth, with goods prescribed as contraband if landed in France. Seizure of that ship by Germany would be illegal according to Art 19. If Germany extended the blockade to cover the Channel Isles, that would be illegal under Art 18.

Also, under Art 17, if Germany attempted to define the entire Channel outside British territorial waters as 'the area of operations', which militarily would make sense, that would place most of the South Coast merchant fleet and anything from the East Coast heading to say Spain or Portugal or further, at risk of being stopped and searched at best, and if some over-zealous German captain seized something important, could lead to a more serious incident. Even without an incident, interference with British shipping on any significant scale would not go down well. In the context of this scenario, British sympathies would probably still be with Belgium and France, so anything short of war that puts Germany in a bad light internationally would be pursued.

As I have already said this is a moot point, because both Britain and Germany ignored the Declaration anyway, and in the case of the ATL, after this discussion the scenario will be a bit different from the ones I posted above.
 
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