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I was thinking what if the US had been able to attract more colonies to join the rebellion in 1775?

I was thinking Nova Scotia, East Florida, West Florida.
 
I was thinking what if the US had been able to attract more colonies to join the rebellion in 1775?

I was thinking Nova Scotia, East Florida, West Florida.

The Floridas aren't going to work. There's hardly any people in them, and besides, why would the US want to upset a potential ally?
 
The Floridas aren't going to work. There's hardly any people in them, and besides, why would the US want to upset a potential ally?

Floridas were British, but while West Florida's Natchez got captured, Pensacola and East Florida were taken by Spain in the Galvez campaign. St. Augustine also recieved huge influxes of Loyalists, so it's not going to go away from the crown willingly.

Here: http://www.floridaguard.army.mil/history/British.asp?did=1294

If you can find a way to get the British base in Halifax neutralized, Nova Scotia has a decent chance. Haligonians were bitchy on their rights too, the New England Planter settlers were a majority and generally sympathetic to the colonists, and the classic Eddy's Rebellion, if it had gone better, would have galvanized at least the New Brunswick/St. John River region. Halifax even had a Letter of Independence or at least complaining or so in 1775 to the crown about their rights. Since in 1784-a year after the war ended- the future Loyalist New Brunswicker immigrants complained of Halifax's 'Yankeeism' and independent thought in order to get their own colony, I wager that at the least peninsular Nova Scotia would also feel like the St. John River Region in a successful Eddy Rebellion and Halifax proper would be (technically the first, considering Philly and NYC's capture would come later) a Yankee city that is British-occupied, but with the much more populated surrounding countryside in the Patriots' hands.

The Bahamas had many sympathetic, or at least neutral, residents. In 1778 a Captain Rathbone could have continued occupying the Islands had not Loyalists gotten last-minute signals out to a British relief ship that they were to be ambushed. Perhaps a rebel government eventually set up.

Here (look up a page a bit to begin): http://books.google.com/books?id=UG...X&oi=book_result&resnum=7&ct=result#PPA168,M1

Bermuda smuggled a bit portion of gunpowder to the rebels in the aptly named Tobacco Bay. By 1779 they were being starved by American privateers, and a relief force sent via HMS Delaware got to the island with ten minutes to spare against four privateers. Perhaps if it got taken out, the whole-'occupied and Patriot government' ordeal could have followed.

Here (ironically, an anti-American/Loyalist site): http://www.redcoat.me.uk/bermuda.htm

Canada/Quebec is tough. Perhaps if you can find a way to capture Quebec, it works. But so many French-speaking Catholics will be tough for Americans to stomach. Well into the 19th century they got bitchy just at Irish Catholics in small numbers, here, it's an entire would-be state with much larger numbers. Like Florida, I really doubt it'll happen in the long run.

St. John's Island (Prince Edward Island) had its governor captured in 1775 but sent back by Washington. If that governor is kept prisoner, perhaps, then anarchy reigns in the island until Nova Scotia falls. SJI is then pretty much isolated and I suppose would logically fall to Patriots in just a matter of time.

Newfoundland technically had a ton of shipping destroyed by privateers; and Carbonear and Harbour Grace in the island, and Cartwright, Labrador, were attacked by the Americans. But there's been no record I've seen of Patriots active to make it a permanent part of the USA...then, there's barely any permanent population there period at the time. Maybe if Nova Scotia fell and you had a far closer privateer base with some more population pirating (what with those Planters and all) Newfoundland can just buckle down and be captured or something. After all, even one town captured on the Avalon Peninsula (where I suspect ALL the people live at the time) will be a huge loss to the place.

Here: http://hrgrace.ca/history.html

Rupert's Land is way too north and small to be worth considering. No.

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...as you can tell, I'm a ARW America-wanker. The concept of ALL of what were called 'Americans' at the time-ALL the English-speaking colonies of North America's eastern seaboard-is vastly intruiging to me, there was just a lot of luck in some cases in those places NOT turning to the Patriots, and it's one of the few places to expand to without too-wild butterflies (I'm lazy, in that respect). Ironically, for how much I hawk on this area going to the USA, I feel myself becoming anti-USA wank in almost every other place. I finally realized how much we did get OTL.
 
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Floridas were British, but while West Florida's Natchez got captured, Pensacola and East Florida were taken by Spain in 1783. St. Augustine also recieved huge amounts of Loyalists, so it's not going to go away from the crown willingly.

If you can find a way to get the British base in Halifax neutralized, Nova Scotia has a decent chance. Haligonians were bitchy on their rights too, the New England Planter settlers were a majority and generally sympathetic to the colonists, and the classic Eddy's Rebellion, if it had gone better, would have galvanized at least the New Brunswick/St. John River region.
The Bahamas had many sympathetic, or at least neutral, residents.

Bermuda smuggled a bit portion of gunpowder to the rebels in the aptly named Tobacco Bay. By 1779 they were being starved by American privateers, and a relief force sent via HMS Delaware got to the island with ten minutes to spare against four privateers. Perhaps if it got taken out, the whole-'occupied and Patriot government' ordeal could have followed.

Canada/Quebec is tough. Perhaps if you can find a way to capture Quebec, it works.

St. John's Island (Prince Edward Island) had its governor captured in 1775 but sent back by Washington. If that governor is kept perhaps, then anarchy reigns in the island until Nova Scotia falls. SJI is then pretty much isolated and I suppose would logically fall to Patriots in the place.

Newfoundland technically had a ton of shipping destroyed by privateers, and Carbonear and Harbour Grace in the island, and Cartwright, Labrador, were attacked by the Americans. But there's been no record I've seen of Patriots active to make it a permanent part of the USA...then, there's barely any permanent population there period at the time.

Rupert's Land is way too north and small to be worth considering. No.

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...as you can tell, I'm a ARW America-wanker. The concept of ALL of what were called 'Americans' at the time-ALL the English-speaking colonies of North America's eastern seaboard-is vastly intruiging to me, there was just a lot of luck in some cases in those places NOT turning to the Patriots, and it's one of the few places to expand to without too-wild butterflies (I'm lazy, in that respect). Ironically, for how much I hawk on this area going to the USA, I feel myself becoming anti-USA wank in almost every other place. I finally realized how much we did get OTL.

It sounds like you've put a lot of thought into this what-if. Have you developed any timelines?
 
It sounds like you've put a lot of thought into this what-if. Have you developed any timelines?

One-"Excerpts From the American North". You can already tell it's an earlier time than from this research due to Americans holding Quebec and foolishly having Burgoyne go NORTH from New York to Montreal, than vice-versa. Ludicrous in terms of campaigning. :rolleyes: I pretty much have abandoned it as I did more research.

The way I see it, assuming the areas that had a chance to go American (IMO, everything but Canada/Quebec, Rupert's Land, and the Floridas) was mostly a matter of luck. A bit difference here and there, and you can have up to 18 colonies than 13.

After all, Georgia was essentially Royal again from the capture of Savannah and the Carolinas ravaged enough that there was talk of a ten-state United States, with the south abandoned. AH.com loves it Republics of New England from 1812 on. I'm just going the opposite route, a USA that's a bit, but not ridiculously, more successful from the beginning. :D
 
The Kingdom of Albion in my Course of Human Events TL stretched from Nova Scotia to the Floridas, and included Bermuda, the Bahamas plus Ontario, at the time of independence from GB in 1789.
 
The Kingdom of Albion in my Course of Human Events TL stretched from Nova Scotia to the Floridas, and included Bermuda, the Bahamas plus Ontario, at the time of independence from GB in 1789.

I've seen the maps. I love Albion! :p

I must say that in all the 'America becomes royal dominion' TLs it's satisfying to see all the areas at the perhepiry of the thirteen colonies not forgotten. ;):p I always disliked reading of the era and not getting any word on the other British North American colonies other than a tiny mention of the Quebec Act and invasion of the province in 1775.

(apparently the Ontario/Niagaran Peninsula was to be part of the Northwest Territory in early Treaty of Paris drafts, but American delays killed of hopes of keeping it since it wasn't actually occupied and the Americans were getting more exhausted in keeping up the war effort of the time...anyone confirm this?)
 
Thomas Paines Common Sense becomes popular with the colonies and British North America. When the Revolution starts, Canada joins in. With the combined forces, Britan recognizes independence by 1778 and give Florida for "compensation". This leads to the 18 original colonies. The extras were Florida, Nova Scotia, P.E.I., New Brunswick, and New Britan.(Part of Ontario and Quebec.)
 
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