I do wonder if having a large academic body means Révolution in Brazil, possibly earlier than Murica.Strongly doubt the Huguenot exiles would be content in Brazil and a Louis XIV kind of dumbfuck could revoke whatever rights they have there.
Tbf this is something I'd like to see considering that the Huguenots and Jews would have more autonomy than the French kings would want them to have (I don't think the French kings would restrict the usage of the printing press and the such in the colony) while they expand into Spanish territory. It sounds quite similar to how the Americans went to revolution except the king is actually controlling.

Like a 'United States of Brazil/Antartique' would be very interesting.
 
A croissant type thing made with cassava flour and with a near layer of sugar on top sounds fun, although croissants were invented in the 20th century so idk. Kipferl is a medieval bread tho so I could see them switching for the dough for otl croissants or just switch for casava, corn or even rice flour.

I'd really like to see what the antartiqois do with rice flour and casava flour in general. Another thing I'm wondering about is if the farmers would adopt quinoa. I think it'd make for a good secondary crop as the leaves are edible and the seeds are another source of food that the farmers can turn to when times are tough.

I really would like to see capybaras be semi domesticated too considering lent and the creation of cordoned off farmlands in the Amazon basin. Like I could see the farmers fencing in the rodents and we'd see capybaras that're used to graze areas that're left fallow alongside water buffalo.

PS what would the Jews bring to the table?
A kind of Croissant that remembers Acarajé would be quite legendary... I don't think farmers would adopt quinoa, Brazil has other grains which are more accessible.
Well fish and chips was actually brought to England by Portuguese Jews invited by Cromwell, so foods that contain fish or any other meat that is Kosher would become popular, especially given how some of them are more readily easy to acquire, like fish or crabs that can be found in the ocean or near it.


Btw that's another thing too, the potato will be introduced at large not only in Brazil via smuggling with Spanish America but also in France where it will give the population a boom and especially help in the areas with bad soil/aren't very populated.
Yeah that's true imagine pacu fish and chips. I can see fish stews being very popular too with less palatable fishes which need additional help taste wise.

Oh yeah I can't believe I forgot about potato and sweet potato. Sweet potato defo would be a very useful crop too considering Brazil and I could see potato being more genetically diverse than European varieties because potatoes could spread right over the mountains. I wonder would oca and ulluco be secondary crops too?
Fishes would be a interesting topic, how can Moqueca mix with french cuisine for example?

These types of discussions are the best parts of these timelines; it's really fun to imagine everyday life in a completely different version of the world. For example, how would antartiquois/brazilian architecture end up? Kinda of a reverse anthropology, lmao.
 
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A kind of Croissant that remembers Acarajé would be quite legendary... I don't think farmers would adopt quinoa, Brazil has other grains which are more accessible.


Fishes would be a interesting topic, how can Moqueca mix with french cuisine for example?

These types of discussions are the best parts of these timelines; it's really fun to imagine everyday life in a completely different version world. For example, how would antartiquois/brazilian architecture end up? Kinda of a reverse anthropology, lmao.
Creole probably?
 
Fishes would be a interesting topic, how can Moqueca mix with french cuisine for example?
They're actually quite similar but the main differences are the rouille sauce and the usage of orange zest and fennel in bouillabaisse while moqueca is spicy and lemon/like juice is added. I think we'd probably have seafood stews with a rouille sauce and citrus zest and fennel added into the bowl. Or we see citrus juice added too.
These types of discussions are the best parts of these timelines; it's really fun to imagine everyday life in a completely different version world. For example, how would antartiquois/brazilian architecture end up? Kinda of a reverse anthropology, lmao.
Yeah I agree. I think Antartiqois architecture would be mostly Mediterranean inspired considering how American architecture evolved in general, and I think at most we'd see some copying of native layouts especially during the early days and when they're expanding inland.
 
A kind of Croissant that remembers Acarajé would be quite legendary... I don't think farmers would adopt quinoa, Brazil has other grains which are more accessible.
Are quinoa really that inaccessible? They're grown on the Andes so getting their hands on them isn't that hard. It's more whether the farmers see them as crops or not, which they may if they have good relations with the natives.
 
Are quinoa really that inaccessible? They're grown on the Andes so getting their hands on them isn't that hard. It's more whether the farmers see them as crops or not, which they may if they have good relations with the natives.
Not impossible but Brazil doesn't really use quinoa, it's more of an andine thing, brazilian natives used a lot of corn, manioc and nuts, then europeans will bring coffee, wheat, oats, rice, etc. Not to mention the loads of fruits that grow well in Brazil, so not much justification for quinoa.
 
If this Francophone Brazil even winds up as a single country. I could very well see it splitting up into multiple nations like Spanish America did.
Maybe, Spanish America was already officially separated between different administrations not to mention the interests of local elites. Brazil remained united on the colonial times and during the Imperial era, only the time of the regency there were actual attempts at independence (that were brutally crushed).

With a France that doesn't go down it's bad route but instead remains intact alongside the colony gaining more weight, it'll most likely remain united as France wouldn't have a reason for breaking up their single American colony.
 
I think if we're having any naval war it'd be close to mid 17th century as part of the wars between the European powers.
Yep
There was no such law. The King of Navarre became the King of France for example.
I'm pretty sure there's some law like that, maybe it's about matrilineal inheritance?
I do wonder if having a large academic body means Révolution in Brazil, possibly earlier than Murica.Strongly doubt the Huguenot exiles would be content in Brazil and a Louis XIV kind of dumbfuck could revoke whatever rights they have there.
Yes this is true. The question is how many percent of the colony's population will be Protestants. How will the relationship between the colony and the religion factor be in the future? It is not impossible that Protestants are treated similarly to Catholics in the USA (perhaps a little better due to the tradition of the decree).
If this Francophone Brazil even winds up as a single country. I could very well see it splitting up into multiple nations like Spanish America did.
This will depend on the strength of the central government and how the colony will be structured in relation to the different "states/provinces'. If it will be very centralized if it will be balanced, what will be the history of the colony (things like wars against neighbors or other enemies help with the common identity for example) etc.
 
Tbf this is something I'd like to see considering that the Huguenots and Jews would have more autonomy than the French kings would want them to have
This will be important due to the economic strength it will bring to the colony. Local banks (made by the Jews) investing and lending locally, industry (made by the Huguenots) to work the raw material among other examples will make the colony a very active organism. I do not doubt that the colony financed expeditions in Africa and elsewhere (otl Brazil before its independence from Portugal, for example, helped in a coup in the kingdom of Dahomey).
(I don't think the French kings would restrict the usage of the printing press and the such in the colony)
With the number of Jews and other well-literate groups I find it difficult for them to have the ability to do this even if they wanted to. An interesting thing will be how the local language will develop, at OTL for example, Brazil only started to speak Portuguese in the 18th century. Before that, the common language was a mixed language based on the Tupi language, called Nheengatu. As it is spoken by almost all inhabitants of Brazil (settlers, slaves and natives), it became known as the general language.
while they expand into Spanish territory. It sounds quite similar to how the Americans went to revolution except the king is actually controlling.
The expansion (the largest at least) of the colony will likely be before its independence different from the USA.
Like a 'United States of Brazil/Antartique' would be very interesting.
yes, not only that but what the government will be like (monarchy, republic or something completely different. Or if it is going to become independent, otl brazil was forced to declare independence the country was happy to be united with portugal and the independence of the usa was caused more by the english than the colonists, not to mention that before declaring independence they wanted a own parliament but not be independent. So a lot can happen.). The biggest difference in the USA will probably be the industry, the colony does not have the absurd amount of coal in the USA, so the industry will not be as gigantic and will be more concentrated. Forcing the country/colony to have a well-industrialized region (the one with coal) or go after coal in another region of the world.
Brazil has other grains which are more accessible.
maize, cassava, beans and wheat (depending on how much of the pampas the country will control)
Fishes would be a interesting topic, how can Moqueca mix with french cuisine for example?
Well it's basically a fish stew, it's not uncommon to have similar things in the former Caribbean colonies of France.
For example, how would antartiquois/brazilian architecture end up? Kinda of a reverse anthropology, lmao.
I partially agree with @Avrorrange I think it's likely the older regions of the colony (like the northeast) have more Creole-like architecture. But we will probably have architecture similar to Baroque, Baroque, Early French Colonial Architecture and even Beaux Arts depending on the region, type of settler (settlers from other regions of the world/Europe bring their architecture with them), climate and local culture.
 
Yep

I'm pretty sure there's some law like that, maybe it's about matrilineal inheritance?

Yes this is true. The question is how many percent of the colony's population will be Protestants. How will the relationship between the colony and the religion factor be in the future? It is not impossible that Protestants are treated similarly to Catholics in the USA (perhaps a little better due to the tradition of the decree).

This will depend on the strength of the central government and how the colony will be structured in relation to the different "states/provinces'. If it will be very centralized if it will be balanced, what will be the history of the colony (things like wars against neighbors or other enemies help with the common identity for example) etc.
You meant salic law. Inheritance of the French throne is strictly through the agnatic line only. Navarre(which allows female succession) got separated from the French throne once because one of the French kings had a daughter but no son. It later inherited the French throne when one of it’s kings turned out to be the next agnate to the French throne after the Valois.
 
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Yep

I'm pretty sure there's some law like that, maybe it's about matrilineal inheritance?

Yes this is true. The question is how many percent of the colony's population will be Protestants. How will the relationship between the colony and the religion factor be in the future? It is not impossible that Protestants are treated similarly to Catholics in the USA (perhaps a little better due to the tradition of the decree).

This will depend on the strength of the central government and how the colony will be structured in relation to the different "states/provinces'. If it will be very centralized if it will be balanced, what will be the history of the colony (things like wars against neighbors or other enemies help with the common identity for example) etc.
Indeed, a quick reminder that Protestants were a minority in France and mostly concentrated in the Southwest and some of the center of the country, some of the least populated areas of the country (coastal cities non withstanding) so in the long run they'll definitely be outnumbered by Catholics, most Hugenots are moving into the Southern most parts of the colonies, far away from the Catholic Luso in the northeast, and thus, much of the south of the country will be where the majority of Hugenots go(meaning they're already going beyond São Vicente and into OTL Paraná)
 
(coastal cities non withstanding) so in the long run they'll definitely be outnumbered by Catholics
They will likely be a pretty large group in urban areas in the Southeast(perhaps the majority of the population). At least until the gold rush.
, most Hugenots are moving into the Southern most parts of the colonies, far away from the Catholic Luso in the northeast, and thus, much of the south of the country will be where the majority of Hugenots go(meaning they're already going beyond São Vicente and into OTL Paraná)
So the Protestants are heading south (and therefore the Coal Belt). So the dispute will be between the Protestant French and the Spanish for the region. If the Protestants win this could have a bit of a vicious cycle, with more Protestants from the rest of the colony moving south to have a "truly Protestant" region (along with Protestants in France moving to this region now that the hard part is over, the struggle for control of the land.).
 
This will be important due to the economic strength it will bring to the colony. Local banks (made by the Jews) investing and lending locally, industry (made by the Huguenots) to work the raw material among other examples will make the colony a very active organism. I do not doubt that the colony financed expeditions in Africa and elsewhere (otl Brazil before its independence from Portugal, for example, helped in a coup in the kingdom of Dahomey).
Yeah I agree, the golden goose of the colony would be the jews, huguenots and slaves (and slavers), in which two of the groups would be minorities that could be fucked over by the kings of france while the two groups could very much do something about it since they're literally on another continent. The Antartique isn't Quebec after all.

Also I could see a few Antarctiquian colonies like how Brazil helped with Dahomey or like how the US and Australia had Liberia and Papua new Guinea respectively.
With the number of Jews and other well-literate groups I find it difficult for them to have the ability to do this even if they wanted to. An interesting thing will be how the local language will develop, at OTL for example, Brazil only started to speak Portuguese in the 18th century. Before that, the common language was a mixed language based on the Tupi language, called Nheengatu. As it is spoken by almost all inhabitants of Brazil (settlers, slaves and natives), it became known as the general language.
We prob would have French be the main language of the colony (prob with native and Hebrew and Occitan loanwords), but we'd have Jewish and even Occitan in some Huguenot sects be present, not to mention Creole languages that mix African grammar with French and Hebrew into a mix. I wonder if we'd get a bunch of slaves that're Jewish if Antartique rebels against France and succeeds, and the Jews start to convert slaves to Judaism.
The expansion (the largest at least) of the colony will likely be before its independence different from the USA.
I think that in general the French would butt up against the Spanish in the la Plata region, and I think they'll fight a war to delineate a border between the two colonies. Hell, I think a series of wars helmed by the colonists where they take over Argentina is possible.
Indeed, a quick reminder that Protestants were a minority in France and mostly concentrated in the Southwest and some of the center of the country, some of the least populated areas of the country (coastal cities non withstanding) so in the long run they'll definitely be outnumbered by Catholics, most Hugenots are moving into the Southern most parts of the colonies, far away from the Catholic Luso in the northeast, and thus, much of the south of the country will be where the majority of Hugenots go(meaning they're already going beyond São Vicente and into OTL Paraná)
tbf I agree that the French speakers would swamp the Occitan protestants eventually, but the protestant regions would be the parana region which is the industrial region anyways with all the coal and the such. I could see the protestants be in the parana river basin in general.
 
while the two groups could very much do something about it since they're literally on another continent. The Antartique isn't Quebec after all.
Yes, Jews and Huguenots will have much more bargaining power in the colony than in the metropolis. Especially if they become an important part of the economy, it is difficult for example for the landlord class to support a great persecution of Jews if this is the group that economically helps the farms/ plantantions (or if they are a big part of the doctors in the colony). It's difficult to have a lot of support to persecute the Protestants if they are part of the colonial army and are the group that makes the most industries. The power of these groups will come primarily from the economic factor and the fact that it is more work to try to change the functioning of the colony than to leave it as it is. They will be minorities, so whether or not these groups will be persecuted by certain groups (ultra-Catholics for example), but the size of the colony means that these groups will not find each other very easily.
Also I could see a few Antarctiquian colonies like how Brazil helped with Dahomey or like how the US and Australia had Liberia and Papua new Guinea respectively.
Yes, but it will be something a few centuries in the future. I tend to believe that Antarctique will have more slaves than Brazil due to this greater diversity of products (not just sugar production). At OTL, Brazil received 5.8 million slaves out of a total of 12.5 million, I would not be surprised if the colony received up to 7 million (which is ridiculous, because 5.8 million is an absurd number.)
We prob would have French be the main language of the colony (prob with native and Hebrew and Occitan loanwords), but we'd have Jewish and even Occitan in some Huguenot sects be present, not to mention Creole languages that mix African grammar with French and Hebrew into a mix.
The French language of the colony will be very unique, to say the least.
I wonder if we'd get a bunch of slaves that're Jewish if Antartique rebels against France and succeeds, and the Jews start to convert slaves to Judaism.
Maybe, but unlikely (there will be cases but I think they will be uncommon). Most will be converted to Catholicism, not to mention that in OTL Brazil had a good number of Muslim slaves (who obviously could not practice the religion). These slaves staged the largest slave rebellion in the history of Brazil, with around 600 slaves. At the time, the capital of Bahia had about 65,000 inhabitants and of that number, about 40% were slaves. If the entire population of blacks in Salvador were aggregated, the number would reach 78% of the city's population. Thus, only 22% of Salvador's population was white. something curious about the revolt revolt, was formed exclusively by slaves born in Africa. With slaves killing black Brazilians together with white Brazilians. Something curious about the revolt revolt, was formed exclusively by slaves born in Africa. With slaves killing black and white Brazilians. It will be interesting to see how the influence of blacks and pardos in the colony will be. From the beginning in the history of OTL Brazil, blacks and natives were important to the history of the country. Of the four most important figures in the war against Holland (which wanted to conquer Brazil) were a Black man and an native.
I think that in general the French would butt up against the Spanish in the la Plata region, and I think they'll fight a war to delineate a border between the two colonies. Hell, I think a series of wars helmed by the colonists where they take over Argentina is possible.
In this tl I find it difficult to have the partnership that occurred in the otl between france and spain.
 
Sorry if it already has been discussed, but with France's new goldmine (literally), would it avoid the financial problems that made the French revolution happen as in OTL? As a side note, it would be really cool if some kind of Conjuração Baiana/Mineira spills to the metropolis and we have something similar to OTL's revolution from there.
 
I think the French Revolution is butterflied away but an American Revolution analogue is perfectly possible if France messes up

But even if that happened long term I think that still would be a major win for them assuming the relationship with Brazil mimicked the one between OTL Britain and the US
 
Sorry if it already has been discussed, but with France's new goldmine (literally), would it avoid the financial problems that made the French revolution happen as in OTL?
It's hard to know, but unlikely. It's too far away for us to have anything concrete.
As a side note, it would be really cool if some kind of Conjuração Baiana/Mineira spills to the metropolis and we have something similar to OTL's revolution from there.
this is a possibility but it would be something in the future, the author did not even reach the year 1600. But the otl had important reasons for the failures of these two revolts.
I think the French Revolution is butterflied away but an American Revolution analogue is perfectly possible if France messes up
for sure or some other bizarre thing. but I find it difficult to predict at the moment without seeing how the colony and the rest of the world will develop in the future.
 
Sorry if it already has been discussed, but with France's new goldmine (literally), would it avoid the financial problems that made the French revolution happen as in OTL? As a side note, it would be really cool if some kind of Conjuração Baiana/Mineira spills to the metropolis and we have something similar to OTL's revolution from there.
Considering France will avoid the whole instability of the Religious Wars alongside the royal power being stronger and of course Brazil helping with all the money coming from it(be it from slave selling in companies based on France, companies who deal with the tropical goods, French craftsmen selling their tools and arms to the colony, etc) I don't see it happening but we'll see how the situation goes
 
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