Langues d'oil in Spain

Otto Kretschmer

Banned
Create a population of langues d'oil speakers in Spain between 9th and 11th century that survives to the present day.

Some area in Spain needs to be recaptured from Muslims and settled by people from northern France
 

Ivan Lupo

It's gotta be a band of Norman adventurers fighting on the behalf of one of the Christian kingdoms and being granted a fief in newly conquered Muslim territory. That makes the most sense. Norman Mallorca makes a lot of sense, around Lisbon, maybe down as far as the Algarve.
 

Jan Olbracht

There was no expansion of d'oil languages in Southern Italy after Norman conquest (only enclaves of Gallo-Italic (wich is d'oc) in Sicily, brought by Lombard colonists, whom Normans settled in Sicily), why would Spain be different?
 

Ivan Lupo

Jan Olbracht said:
There was no expansion of d'oil languages in Southern Italy after Norman conquest (only enclaves of Gallo-Italic (wich is d'oc) in Sicily, brought by Lombard colonists, whom Normans settled in Sicily), why would Spain be different?
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On top of that, they actually adopted Greek as the primary court language too . But that could possibly be because of the existing Greek beaurocracy that already existed in the south, plus Greek had always been a prestige language. I'm not so sure that Christian Norman adventurers would adopt to Arabic, but they would certainly adopt Latin as a court language alongside the usage of Norman French among the Norman nobility, while eventually adopting Andalusi Romance that will eventually evolve with Norman French and Arabic influence into a new Romance language.

The more remote and isolated whichever Norman territory they take, there may possibly be a greater chance of Norman French sticking around for the long haul, but it certainly wouldn't stay in it's original form for long.
 
Drex

Drex

Well, technically Upper Cerdagne is both part of France and in the south side of the Pyrenees, so I guess that as long as someone there speaks French (sure bet), it could be a loophole.
However if we want a population dating back at least to the 1000's, we could have either a more or less permanent settlement by Normans, or for the Spanish kingdoms never to form, and thus is France the state that pushes for a (limited) reconquista and some of the settlers come from Northern France.
 
ramones1986

ramones1986

I thought of (monolingual) British Latin speakers migrating en masse to either OTL Galicia or in OTL Euskadi-Navarra region (if the hypothesized Late Basquization was halted).
 
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