Wonderful interlude! Really gives a feel for the future of this TL, and the various little hints i.e. "... in Teegal." are as tantalising as ever.
This is classic hahahaAnother Atjuntja-speaking actor was engaged to provide the brief dialogue in his own language. However, none of the film producers understood Atjuntja. So in the chase scene where the character is meant to be saying “get the murders!” what the actor actually said was “Look at me, I’m in a big movie.” This moment continues to produce uproarious laughter whenever the film is rebroadcast in Teegal.
Apparently Native Americans used to do this sort of thing in Hollywood movies all the time.Another Atjuntja-speaking actor was engaged to provide the brief dialogue in his own language. However, none of the film producers understood Atjuntja. So in the chase scene where the character is meant to be saying “get the murders!” what the actor actually said was “Look at me, I’m in a big movie.” This moment continues to produce uproarious laughter whenever the film is rebroadcast in Teegal.
Yup.Really? Didn't know that.
Gracias. There were of course a lot of bits adapted from actual movies and books in this: African Queen, Heart of Darkness and The Godfather are the biggest three, but not the only ones. And I did find the idea of Brian Blessed and Marilyn Monroe climbing Uluru together to be a movie moment which should have really happened.Wonderful interlude! Really gives a feel for the future of this TL, and the various little hints i.e. "... in Teegal." are as tantalising as ever.
This is classic hahaha
The particular anecdote I had in mind was one about a movie set in southern Africa - I can't remember now whether it was meant to be South Africa, Zimbabwe or Botswana - where the character was meant to be saying "look out, the enemy are coming" and they gave a line about making it into a big movie. Although as you note, there are plenty of others of examples of actors taking advantage of others not knowing the language they're using.Apparently Native Americans used to do this sort of thing in Hollywood movies all the time.
I think it's the first description of Aururia from the nineteenth/twentieth century. On the other hand, it's an alt-Wikipedia article (notorious for its inaccuracy) which reviews a movie (which are not noted for historical accuracy at the best of times) and which was published on the 1st of April, so it's an open question how much of it (if any) should be treated as accurate.Great Interlude, I think that's the most detailed description of the modern Aururia ?
Steamless engines are Stirling engines (and other similar types of hot air engines), I can say that much. They're called steamless engines here to differentiate them from steam engines, and they produce no steam directly for power (just the smoke from whatever fuel is being burnt). A Stirling engine can use a great many fuels, coal included; one of its advantages is that you just really need something which will burn. (And as an aside, in alt-Australia an engine which doesn't need a huge amount of water has advantages over a steam engine, which does need a lot of water.)Many details and easter egs, first, the coastal regions of aururia seem industrialized like "Dogport, the great entrepôt and brass manufactory". But, what the hell are "steamless machines"? if they do not produce steam; then coal is not used; are we talking about oil or another alternate fuel ?
There are different levels of racism involved, but I'd make two points. Firstly, this is a movie which is nowhere described as being based on any actual historical events, so it's essentially someone in the alt-1960s making up various things about something set 70-80 years before. It's not necessarily reflective of the actual times.On the other hand, it seems that some level of racism is still something in the 1960s, but what seems to be different is that this racism exists even in an industrialized region like aururia, this maybe must happen because of religion, of course there is a tension between Christianity and plirism in aururia, and the systematic rejection and violence against Christianity may in the eyes of Europeans make aururia "wild", or that "wild" is only for desert tribes, the "dark heart" of aururia, but not the indutrialized coastal regions.
Even assuming that the presence of the airship is historically accurate, there were various early airships in the nineteenth century. The Giffard dirigible flew in 1852 (although it didn't have enough power to fly into the wind). There were a variety of other experimental airships from about the 1870s onward. The engines were the biggest challenge. For rigid airships getting enough aluminium was also a challenge, but that was less of an issue with non-rigid airships such as the blimp described in this interlude.Finally, airship in the late 19th century? I don't know much about airships, but I thought they only started to be used in the beginning of the 20th century
Now I'm picturing an airship powered by a lot of butterflies...There were probably significant butterflies.
It's impossible to post something which is on 1 April everywhere in the world at once, thanks to the vagaries of time zones, although this was posted on 1 April in Australian time.The date here is March 31, anyway, I still believe in the veracity of the article.
Well, Brass and Leather is broader than just Aururian settings, but it can be broadly thought of as Steampunk meets Western. Although Aururian peoples would usually call them Northerns more than Westerns, but I digress (because most of the population is further south).taking the article as truth, the film popularized the "brass and leather" period, would that be the period of the alt"aururian western"? because of the sense of exploration of the wild "dark heart" by both Aururian and European "civilization"? Something like that has a lot of potential, it looks like a fusion between African neo-colonialism "heart of darkness" and the american wild west, all in the Australian outback.
The beliefs of the outback Aboriginal peoples are changed from what they are in OTL. This is mostly to represent 10,000+ years of butterflies. So their beliefs are not exactly the same as ones which would be recognised historically, although there's still a lot of things which are recognisable. (Some songlines, for instance, go back longer than 10,000 years, so will still be pretty similar).Among outback aborigines, is the belief in the rainbow serpent and dreamtime still widespread? I imagine that aboriginal mythology can be even more influential in an alt-pop culture, because aururian-rest of the world interaction is bigger and older
When putting together army lists earlier this year, I came to the same conclusion; there are some references to them here and there, especially for those polities that border on the interior.Militarily I'd think they'd be useful as scouts and light infantry from the earliest of times and into the colonial era of Aururia I'd think armies across Aururia would employ them as tribal auxiliaries just like what many Middle Eastern and North African armies did historically.
I'll probably get to covering at least some of those peoples at some point, it's just that there's so many different cultures there that covering all of them is just about impossible.Speaking of the Aururians of the Outback, I always liked the "uncivilised" Aururians ITTL and the glimpses we have at them. I've love to see another entry or two centered around them.
The "desert peoples" (which is the literal translation of the most common term used in both the Middle Country and Tjibarr, even for those who don't actually live in the desert) don't really take up emu herding in a big way. Emus are hard to keep in without building a lot of fences, and still need to be fed a bit even when kept in. Even more importantly, the desert peoples usually move around from time to time within their country, as the dictates of resource management require. (Such as depending on what food is in season, among many other things). It's hard to move emus, and then you need to build more fences to keep them in where they are... basically, high effort for low reward.While I'm still doing a re-read of LoRaG, did they ever adapt emu herding? I'd think basically every group no matter how remote would be able to conduct some limited horticulture (especially whichever groups live near where domesticated wattles can grow) and emu herding for the reliable meat/bones/leather it would provide. Militarily I'd think they'd be useful as scouts and light infantry from the earliest of times and into the colonial era of Aururia I'd think armies across Aururia would employ them as tribal auxiliaries just like what many Middle Eastern and North African armies did historically.
The groups around the *Mulligan River do still hold considerable prestige with other "desert peoples", but not very much with the Five Rivers. The Five Rivers have plenty of *pituri, including some selectively bred strains which they value more than the desert product.I'd think the groups of Western Queensland who OTL grew the most favoured pituri would still hold some prestige ITTL, even if the Five Rivers peoples still view them as barbarians.
The northern coast of Aururia (where the Portuguese and Nuttana have had most contact) has changed in a variety of ways. I really need to get a chapter or two on them written at some point.Their lives must've changed incredibly after the introduction of horses and the trading missions of the Nangu and Portuguese. I'd love to see more on that.
There are various references, though again there's so many different aspects of this world which could be explored that it's hard to cover all of them.When putting together army lists earlier this year, I came to the same conclusion; there are some references to them here and there, especially for those polities that border on the interior.
Thanks very much. Amazon are annoying in how they have started restricting who can write reviews.Having finally got my Kindle in the right city/working again I've purchased and read the first volume of the published version of LoRaG. I did not realise there would be new content! I've reread those early chapters many times, having first read them while in high school, and was very confused that there were parts that just did not seem familiar next to ones which I could recite almost verbatim. An excellent quarantine treat, I strongly recommend it to everyone in this thread and would do so on Amazon if I had spent $50 and was allowed to write reviews. I'll buy a paper version if it ever becomes available.
Very exciting! The extra content in Walking Through Dreams definitely helps with the pacing in a novel format, I think, as opposed to the online serialised version. I particularly enjoyed the extra information on Gutjanal and Yigutji, as while those two countries became very prominent during the Hunter arc they did seem a bit off on the sidelines in terms of actual writing prior to that, despite being considerably more developed and populated than any of the east coast/Tasmanian polities we did hear a lot about. I can also kind of see how much work converting these massive timelines into a publishable format must be, it's a very different experience reading them out of the discussion, and also having them presented such that a non-forum reader could easily understand and follow. I do hope the sales justify all the hard work, in part because it'd be very deserved but also, because, more...Thanks very much. Amazon are annoying in how they have started restricting who can write reviews.
However, there's another option for reviews which has almost as much influence as Amazon. Goodreads lets people write reviews without needing to go through all of Amazon's rigmarole. If you (or anyone else who's read it) would like to write a review on Goodreads, I'd really appreciate it. Needs creating a free account but no other barriers. Walking Through Dreams is on Goodreads here.
In terms of new material, there is a fair bit in Book 1. Something over 12,000 words, although I didn't keep complete track of everything. Book 2 will have more than that - already written around 20,000 words - although getting time to write it is challenging at the moment because I have a day job which has gotten busier with all of the pandemic times. But probably somewhere between 25,000-35,000 words of new material in that volume.
Book 3 will also be coming with new material at some point, and I plan on writing an original short story/novellette for the Alternate Australia anthology I'm editing, time permitting.