Land of Sweetness: A Pre-Columbian Timeline

Discussion in 'Alternate History Discussion: Before 1900' started by Every Grass in Java, May 31, 2018.

  1. Threadmarks: Entry 64-1: Chīmalpāin's Name

    Every Grass in Java Well-Known Member

    Aug 27, 2017
    There won't be an Oasisamerican update to Entry 39 until the mid-fifteenth century, corresponding to the collapse of Paquimé/Casas Grandes IOTL and ITTL.

    We're still in the reign of Lakekala Siki, who disappeared only two years before Ah Ek Lemba, in 1427. Exercises making students compare Ah Ek Lemba with Lakekala, maybe even looping in the Taiguano Prophetess or the Second Guacayaraboque, will one day torture many a high schooler... The teacher could even bring in Tamerlane, if they're into that sort of comparisons.

    There will be more South American updates at some point, though only after concluding Ah Ek Lemba's campaigns (which are still far from finished). In short, the Siki commercial project has been transformative for the entirety of western South America. TTL's Incas will be dramatically different in their statecraft strategies from OTL.

    I haven't done nearly enough research on the Mississippians, but I'll look into a few books and see what I can do. (The PODs should already have rippled up to the Rockies by 1492, if we're being realistic.) I like @metalinvader665's ideas about the Yuchi. There should be a lot more North American updates once Ah Ek Lemba is dead and burnt...

    There's a reason his name is lost. ;)

    We'll see. But do note that Entry 47 has the Balams but not the Kans (who have been replaced by the Pols) stationed in Q'umarkaj in 1425.

    They're from the general Tawantarkira area, yes. The chiefs in the Miskito homeland along the Atlantic littoral are all loyal to Tiho so far, so there's no question of support just yet. Miskitu Tara is making cultural compromises to locals, to the chagrin of some of his Miskito followers.

    An intentional rejection of Isatian in favor of Maya is part of Miskitu Tara's anti-Tiho ideology, since the language is closely associated with the Tiho regime. The issue is that Nahuatl-speakers (technically Nahuat-speakers, but Mesoamericans don't see much of a difference) actually constitute the majority of the territories the rebel controls. The Miskito rebels currently discriminate in favor of non-Nahuas: the Mangues, the Matagalpas, and the Ulwas. This isn't a stable long-term solution, especially since the local elite is Nahuat-dominated to an even great degree than the population at large. The Miskitu will have to adopt Isatian if they want to rule here in the long term.

    Yeah, that's a mistake with continuity on my part. I should make a spreadsheet at some point like GRRM supposedly does. But let me see what I can do...

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    Tēmiquittac ("Dream Seer"), Soconusco's mercenary-turned-king, was once named Chīmalpāin ("Shield Carrier"). This is a late fifteenth-century legend of how he came to be called Tēmiquittac.

    Chīmalpāin was sleeping on his mat one day. In his dreams he saw a thunderstorm, only the clouds were white and the lightning bolts were black. Ca tlatlīlpetlāni, he said. Black lightning is striking. Lightning without light.

    The thunderstorm began in a vast flatland and swept over the heavens, and blood streamed like rivers on all the lands darkened by the shadows of the clouds. The pyramids fell to rubble and the palaces were littered with dust in every shaded country. Chīmalpāin saw villages where not a single voice was heard. The people had gone mute. When they did speak, their voices were unclear [ahmo nāhuatl]. And all the cotton ever twisted in every cloth ever woven unraveled into strands, even the very thread being woven by the women—it unraveled as it was woven.

    An eagle was perched on a prickly pear plant. Then the pear plant seemed to grow feet and run away. Having lost its roost, the eagle sailed into the thunderstorm. For a moment, the black lightning seemed to abate. Then a snarling jaguar emerged from a steep cavern, pounced on the eagle, and tore off its wings. Four hundred Nahua warriors emerged as if from thin air and clubbed the cat to death. But it was too late. The eagle’s feathers were already red and wet. The warriors watched it die and gave it the cremation due an emperor.

    And under all this, Chīmalpāin was carrying his shield over his head, hoping it would protect him from the hailstones and lightnings that swept across the world.

    “Are you not ashamed,” asked a voice, “of your shield?”

    “I am ashamed,” Chīmalpāin said.

    Then the Viceroy saw in his dream three mighty cities. One was built over a lake crisscrossed by cross-bridges; another built its walls with a hundred and sixty thousand skeletons; the last, he realized, was Tiho, only different.

    And all three cities were peopled as anthills are ant-ed, but in all three of them the citizens were naked, and their houses and temples were full of urine and excrement. Chīmalpāin saw people carry the droppings of birds from outside the city gates and bring them into their houses, venerating them as if they were the excrement of gods—how repulsive it was!

    “Surely all these people will die of sickness!” Muttered Chīmalpāin.

    “And the world will die with them,” said the voice.

    “What must I do?”

    “Cast down your shield! And remember what you have seen in dreams [in ōtictēmiquittac].”

    “Will I live or die?”

    “Do you not know the answer?”

    The next day, Chīmalpāin told of what he had seen in dreams and declared independence from Ah Ek Lemba, whose name meant “He of the Black Lightning” in Maya. He knew he would die. But the people of Hullubtaca remembered him, and have called him Tēmiquittac ever since.
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  2. LostInNewDelhi Anarcho-Shaivist

    Oct 30, 2014
    @Every Grass in Java Is it permissible to PM you some predictions on how I think the first few decades of post-Siki South America are going to go? Some things have been bouncing around my head since Lelem Chaakkaj was introduced.
  3. Wolttaire Well-Known Member

    Aug 4, 2018
    why not share them with the whole world?
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  4. Every Grass in Java Well-Known Member

    Aug 27, 2017
    Oh, feel free to PM me at any time for any reason, really.
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  5. LostInNewDelhi Anarcho-Shaivist

    Oct 30, 2014
    Recently I've been reading about the wars of the Diadochi after Alexander, and what has interested me greatly about the first phase of the conflict is that it was not just "generals declaring themselves kings and going their own way." For about the first decade after Alexander's death, it was agreed that the only people with a credible claim to kingship were Alexander's half-brother Arrhidaios and Alexander IV, his son by Roxane (a group of generals quibbled about whether A4's half-Asian ancestry disqualified him from governing Macedonians, despite his claim being obviously better than the full-Macedonian Arrhidaios). The main struggle wasn't over crowns but more mundane-sounding offices--even after engineering Perdiccas's death, Antigonus/Antipater/other friends decided to maintain the contrived "Arrhidaios and A4 are co-kings" formulation while confirming each other's governorships. Even later, when Cassander's conflict with Olympias/Roxanne became open warfare, neither actually claimed kingship-- Cassander claimed only to be regent for Arrhidaios, and the queen-mothers were only enforcing A4's claims. Only in 306-305 BC, years after Arrhidaios and A4 had both been caught in the crossfire and killed, did any non-Iranian Diadochos crown himself.

    Thinking about how Ah Ek Lemba's situation could resemble/differ from Alexander's... first off, Ah Ek Lemba straight up has no kids, and I think the rest of his family died in the Mayapan civil wars or is unaccounted for. There's no familial heirs, so aspiring successors won't get to play the regent as a way of seizing power without offending sensibilities, or mess with each other by picking different heirs to play regent for--they'll have to actually make a case for kingship right off the bat. And another thing is that because Alexander died so young, the people he brought with him weren't particularly old when they became Diadochi. Most of the ones that survived the initial bloodletting died in their 60s or 70s (I think Lysimachos was in his eighties) after twenty- or thirty-year careers as warlords and then kings. Here, Ah Ek Lemba has ruled for nearly 40 years and counting. His youngest Finger is fifty six. The people of Ah Ek Lemba's inner circle-- the first place from which to draw potential Diadochi-- are not people with long careers ahead of them. So you're looking at tons of second- or third-generation people (not important people, but relatives of important people) stepping all over each other's toes to claim outright kingship and demanding submission from each other.

    It's already been mentioned that Ah Ek Lemba will be summoning everyone to the palace in Tiho to sort things out, but there's going to be a lot of sorting to do.
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