Lamentations from Zion

Mohieddin was also more left-leaning than Nasser, although he wasn't an outright Communist he would likely incorporate Communists as a junior partner in his government a la Qasim in Iraq. Though launching an invasion of Sudan seems like putting the cart before the horse to say the least, given that Mohieddin owes his rise to power over anger at Farouk's failure to get the Canal, another attempt to do that seems like it'd be more important.

BTW, Mohieddin is still alive today so theoretically he could be in office a veeery long time.

Thanks for responding, I’m not an expert, so I appreciate advice.

I don’t think going to war with Britain right after failing the first time would be a good idea. On the other hand, there isn’t really the desire of the British people to keep the Canal seemingly indefinitely, eventually they would agree to sell it.

Sudan is interesting because in ATL Suez war Britain annexed the south into Uganda to counter Egypt. I think that, if Egypt is emboldened by success in Palestine, wanted to secure historic Egyptian territory and promote Egyptian nationalism, then Egypt would annex Sudan.

I’ll have to see how long Mohieddin can keep his job, I assume he’ll be deposed at some point.
 
I wonder if the after the bitter defeat and second genocide in a decade, the remainder of the world's Jews try to pay Britain back for betraying them. Perhaps some assistance to the IRA.
 
Lamentations from Zion

The Battle of Haifa​

... the Arabs, motivated by the outside support coming from the Arab League and Soviet Union.

That's a major divergence: OTL, the USSR supported the establishment of Israel. The USSR and its satellites (Poland, Belarus, Ukraine, and Czechoslovakia) all voted for partition (i.e. the creation of Israel), and Czechoslovakia was a key arms supplier to the Haganah. So what changed?

...continued to hold out for 5 months.

Five months? OTL, Haifa fell to the Zionists in one day of fighting. If Haganah couldn't take Haifa, the war would be over in much less than five months.
 
That's a major divergence: OTL, the USSR supported the establishment of Israel. The USSR and its satellites (Poland, Belarus, Ukraine, and Czechoslovakia) all voted for partition (i.e. the creation of Israel), and Czechoslovakia was a key arms supplier to the Haganah. So what changed?



Five months? OTL, Haifa fell to the Zionists in one day of fighting. If Haganah couldn't take Haifa, the war would be over in much less than five months.

I think it would be Stalin realizing that the Arabs have a larger natural resource base and population that had common enemies, Britain and France, and choosing them over Israel which had been proven yet. I don’t know enough about that situation to have a specific point of divergence.

Losing Haifa closes supplies, but I still think the war would last a few months if the Zionists would fight in an insurgency.
 
I think it would be Stalin realizing that the Arabs have a larger natural resource base and population that had common enemies, Britain and France, and choosing them over Israel which had been proven yet. I don’t know enough about that situation to have a specific point of divergence.

In 1948 Stalin was more concerned about getting Britain and France out of the ME. The governments there (Iraq, egypt, Jordan, SaudiArabia, Lebanon and Syria were client/ vassal states to the either Britain and France. Their religous leaders hated athiesm even more than Crusaders and Jews. It took the defeat of their armies and several coup d'etats for the Arab states to turn to the Soviet camp. Communism also had the conceit of believing itself to be the successor of industrialized capitalism not a nation builder of the undeveloped world despite it's own origins in agrarian Russia.
 
I think it would be Stalin realizing that the Arabs have a larger natural resource base and population that had common enemies, Britain and France, and choosing them over Israel which had been proven yet.

At this time, all the Arab states have virulently anti-Communist regimes, whereas Israel has a largely socialist regime with a significant Communist element. There really is nothing for Stalin on that side.

Losing Haifa closes supplies, but I still think the war would last a few months if the Zionists would fight in an insurgency.

That misses the point. OTL, this battle was an easy Zionist victory. If ITTL, it is a tremendous struggle, then either the Zionists are far weaker or the Arabs are far stronger. So much so that the Zionists won't win any of the other battles of this period, and will lose the war quickly.
 

that is true. the monarchies would not trust the ussr. on the other hand, however, how else could we have Israel fail?
 
I want to restart this soon. Any ideas for what I could cover?

Perhaps it would be more plausible for Soviets to not support Israel if Stalin already started policies against Soviet Jews at an earlier time?
 
So let me guess there’s not going to be a pan-Arab Movement since it’s going to be all regionalism. I see.

Without the Jews being a common enemy and especially without Nasser there will not be as much of unifying force for the Arabs. I can imagine Egypt adopting Pharaonism instead. The arab monarchies would be focused on retaining their own power and would remain allied with the UK and then the US just like OTL. I wonder how Lebanon would develop without the Palestinian refugees, but on the other hand it is surrounded by Syria. Maybe the US would be more motivated to defend it as the last Christian state and too make up for losing Israel?
 
The Greatest Betrayal

“The number of Jews killed within the past decade was reached eight million. From Greece to the Ukraine to France, we were captured as slaves and massacred. I draw your attention to the fact that, as we have been for three thousand years, we are persecuted against even when we should be safe in Brooklyn! As much as the Americans and British claim to stand against injustice but they are doing nothing! Today in Tripoli, the Jewish quarter was burnt by a mob while British soldiers, assigned to maintain order, failed to protect them.” Carmel leaned forward as he spoke in Polish to the crowd of pale, dejected faces. They were thousands of miles away from Zion, having recently completed their Yerida. They didn’t speak English and only had lived with other Jews, rather than assimilating. But even that wouldn’t have saved them as German Jews fell from the top of the hierarchy of the Second Reich to a negligible presence. Syman looked up to Carmel as if he were his father. The ringing Syrian artillery shells attacking the steel boat as it escaped Nahariya could never escape his ears. He only barely could hear the speech. How was it possible that there was a secret group that withstood millenia of hatred and he happened to be among the survivors? Nothing made sense, all he wanted to be was back in the fields of Goworowo, but circumstance had separated him from his old life. The old man up there had more to say. “The goyim who said we were traitors? The men who call themselves more civilized? They refused to let us into their countries until it was too late. And look at all we did for them! We served in large numbers against the fascists and made inventions like the atomic bomb that won the war! And then they left us to drown in the sea as Zion was overrun and the last Wall of the temple was demolished! Truman said nothing and did nothing, while Stalin continued persecution no different than the czar! We have no friends! And yet we, who traveled the ocean from our homeland with nothing, are still as “stateless” as we have been for millenia! There is no greater betrayal than that which occurred to the Jews! We only wanted to live! But what use is there in compiling every injustice which ever happened? The dead remain dead. A new generation of Jews must be highly protective of culture, ethnicity, religion and lives. If we lose any of those elements, we will lose everything.” Incredulous, Syman thought, how could we be in danger when our whole life is trying to escape? “I tell you all the truth - Adonai’s truth. We must keep the covenant and withstand through the tough times as our ancestors did in Egypt.” The refugees solemnly nodded their heads in agreement. Syman looked around. “We must donate our funding to the Jewish Defense Forces as they exist today. However futile it may seem, it is justified to help Jews in self-defense. We are obligated to serve a greater community” How was this speech going to help him? He already knew what he had to know, he already knew the Jewish history. He felt his black leather jacket, tapping the cigarettes in his pocket. He excused himself and ran into the gravel street. Brooklyn looked much more glamorous in pictures. He pulled out a lighter and ignited the cigarette, sitting down on the grass between Eastern Parkway and the tan front face of Union Temple. Emaciated men, women, and children sleeping filled the sidewalks. What could he do? He didn’t remember his parents. He tore up grass and shoved it into his mouth. It didn’t feel good but it felt kind of like eating. He smoked some more, but it didn’t seem to do anything. He sat for a few minutes. An officer in the dark blue button down outfit approached him, but Syman couldn’t hear him. The officer could only get a few words out, “Go away, kike!” before Syman threw his hands up. Syman was shoved backwards into the gravel as the back of his head started to bleed. He was dragged a few feet further before being abandoned on the road and the officer cheerfully ran back into his car.
 
I want to restart this soon. Any ideas for what I could cover?

Perhaps it would be more plausible for Soviets to not support Israel if Stalin already started policies against Soviet Jews at an earlier time?
Simple he learned that Ba'haist might give him unlikely(they were socialism and we knew communist have them) allies and an israel would be western puppet and not doing anything would net him a lot of benefit.
 
I’m not entirely sure if it’s even possible for Israel to lose the 1948 war TBH.

All the opposite, many people back then thought that Israel wouldn't survive and that it would be overruned by the Arab armies in a matter of weeks, even before 1967 many people thought Israel would eventually be defeated.
 
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