La Gloriosa Differencia (A glorious difference) - a spanish timeline

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  1. Threadmarks: Anne of Navarre

    kasumigenx Well-Known Member

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    A glorious difference - a spanish timeline



    Anne of Navarre

    In the Castilian Cortes of Valladolid in 1506 and of Madrid in 1510, Charles was sworn as the Prince of Asturias, heir-apparent to his mother the Queen Joanna. On the other hand, in 1502, the Aragonese Corts gathered in Saragossa and pledged an oath to Joanna as heiress-presumptive, but the Archbishop of Saragossa expressed firmly that this oath could not establish jurisprudence, that is to say, modify the right of the succession, except by virtue of a formal agreement between the Cortes and the King. So, upon the death of King Ferdinand II of Aragon, on 23 January 1516, Joanna inherited the Crown of Aragon, which consisted of Aragon, Catalonia, Valencia, Naples, Sicily and Sardinia, while Charles became Governor General. Nevertheless, the Flemings wished Charles to assume the royal title,[citation needed] and this was supported by his grandfather the emperor Maximilian I and Pope Leo X.



    Thus, after the celebration of Ferdinand II's obsequies on 14 March 1516, Charles was proclaimed king of the crowns of Castile and Aragon jointly with his mother. Finally, when the Castilian regent Cardinal Jiménez de Cisneros accepted the fait accompli, he acceded to Charles's desire to be proclaimed king and imposed his enstatement throughout the kingdom. Charles arrived in his new kingdoms in autumn of 1517. Jiménez de Cisneros came to meet him but fell ill along the way, not without a suspicion of poison, and he died before meeting the King.

    Due to the irregularity of Charles assuming the royal title while his mother, the legitimate queen, was alive, the negotiations with the Castilian Cortes in Valladolid (1518) proved difficult. In the end Charles was accepted under the following conditions: he would learn to speak Castilian; he would not appoint foreigners; he was prohibited from taking precious metals from Castile; and he would respect the rights of his mother, Queen Joanna. The Cortes paid homage to him in Valladolid in February 1518. After this, Charles departed to the crown of Aragon. He managed to overcome the resistance of the Aragonese Cortes and Catalan Corts, and he was finally recognized as king of Aragon and count of Barcelona jointly with his mother. The Kingdom of Navarre had been invaded by Ferdinand of Aragon jointly with Castile in 1512, but he pledged a formal oath to respect the kingdom. On Charles's accession to the Spanish throne, the Parliament of Navarre (Cortes) required him to attend the coronation ceremony (to become Charles IV of Navarre), but this demand fell on deaf ears, and the Parliament kept piling up grievances.



    On 1516, he would sign peace with the Kingdom of Navarre and France in the north marrying the eldest sister of the King of Navarre, Henry II, Anne d’Albret, who was once affianced to the King of France, Francis III, Anna d’Albret or Anne of Navarre is a close relative of Claude of France, there is an obvious 8 years gap between the two and the bride is now 24 years old of age and he is just a shy of 16 that his courtiers would tell that he should consummate the marriage with Anna Albret, she is the former fiance and jilted bride of Francis I of France.

    Charles V and Anne of Navarre would have the following children

    Philip II - May 21, 1518

    Maria - November 22, 1524

    Ferdinand, duke of Burgundy - November 22, 1524 - fraternal twin of Maria of Spain

    Joanna - June 26, 1532
     
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  2. Threadmarks: Bruneian Empire

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    Bruneian Empire

    On the late 15th century or early 16th century, Sultan Bolkiah in his prime would raze and annex Tondo and establish the city of Kota Saludong or Amanilah, before that he would have some control of the area of Kumintang and Palawan.

    Due to the annexation of Tondo a betrothal marriage would happen between Dayang Panginoan, the daughter of Dayang Kaylangitan and a Prince from the North, Panginoan would spread the religion of Islam to the land of Saludong in the North and the Bruneian influence would also happen due to the marriage and the Sultanate of Saludong/Sambali ruling the North would form in the latter part of the 16th century.

    Panginoan would be the one credited for the spread of Islam in the north in Saludong because she would bring in Muslim Missionaries with her and future Muslim missionaries which would render the population of the coastal areas of Saludong as majority muslim many decades after she married there the muslim religion would spread from the cities of Makabebe, Faru and Kaboloan to the inland areas however the areas up of Pampanga river and Bannag river inhabited by hindus would not convert.

    The Bruneian Empire would start to reach its height on the early part of the 16th century and would flourish on the 16th century and said to be rich in Gold and would have established outposts or direct vassals in Saludong and in Sugbu named Bigan and Maktan and an outpost in Panay island which would mean that the Bruneian would widen its influence and islamize the archipelago further.

    The precedent of the Bruneian Empire's evangelization efforts would give Sultan Sharif the initiative to establish the Sultanate of Maguindanao.

    On 1521, LapuLapu would kidnap Magellan Expedition of Magellan would ransom Ferdinand Magellan in 1522, which would lead to Magellan returning to his own family telling about his own discoveries in the East during the kidnapping of Magellan, however the Sultan of Mactan would squeal to the Bruneians the intentions of the Spanish in the archipelago which is proselytization which would help the Bruneian Empire in the future in their struggles against Portugal and Spain.

    Seeing that Sugbu and Butuan are now under Spanish influence due to the conversion, Abdul Kahar would follow his own father’s solution against the Majapahitans in Saludong by the sacking of Tondo, this would push the Sugbuanons and Butuanons to submission, while the Madyaas Kingdom was paralyzed by the muslims who the Bruneians control.

    The Bruneian Empire would control the entry of goods from the Indian Ocean to China itself for the coming centuries.

    Countries under the influence of Bruneian Empire

    -Saludong/Sambali

    -Sulu (Under Personal Union with Brunei)

    -Madyaas

    -Butuan Rajahnate

    -Ternate Rajahnate

    -Sugbu Rajahnate

    -Kutai
     
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  3. Southern pride Well-Known Member

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    Interesting will follow
     
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  4. Threadmarks: Magellan

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    Magellan

    Heading northwest, the crew reached the equator on 13 February 1521. On 6 March they reached the Marianas and Guam. Pigafetta described the "lateen sail" used by the inhabitants of Guam, hence the name "Island of Sails", but he also writes the inhabitants "entered the ships and stole whatever they could lay their hands on", including "the small boat that was fastened to the poop of the flagship." "Those people are poor, but ingenious and very thievish, on account of which we called those three islands the islands of Ladroni.".


    On 16 March Magellan reached the island of Homonhon, with 150 crew left.

    Magellan relied on Enrique, his Malay servant and interpreter, to communicate with the native tribes. He had been indentured by Magellan in 1511 after the colonization of Malacca, and had accompanied him through later adventures. They traded gifts with Rajah Siaiu of Mazaua who guided them to Cebu on 7 April.


    Rajah Humabon of Cebu was friendly towards Magellan and the Spaniards; both he and his queen Hara Amihan were baptized as Christians and were given the image of the Holy Child which along with a cross. Afterward, Rajah Humabon and his ally Datu Zula convinced Magellan to kill their enemy, Datu Lapu-Lapu, on Mactan. Magellan wanted to convert Lapu-Lapu to Christianity, as he had Humabon, but Lapu-Lapu rejected that. On the morning of 27 April 1521, Magellan sailed to Mactan with a small attack force. During the resulting battle against Lapu-Lapu's troops, Magellan was kidnapped by Lapulapu which would force the crew of Magellan’s expedition to pay for his own ransom.

    In the same time the Bruneians would also learn of the Christianization and the Spanish suzerainty of Sugbu and Butuan from his underling Lapulapu which would lead to Abdul Kahar later sacking Sugbu and Butuan in 1524 into the ground forcing many Butuanons and Sugbuanons to slavery by the Tausugs and Bruneians, forcing Butuanons and Sugbuanons to submission to the Bruneians.



    They sailed due west

    To the San Lazaro Islands

    Magellan was pleased

    As the natives drew near

    He left the islands still alive

    He was able to conquer and survive

    He was thankfully never killed by a spear.



    ~Anonymous
     
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  5. Threadmarks: Catherine of Aragon’s death

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    Catherine of Aragon’s death

    In February 1518, Catherine announced her seventh pregnancy. In March, she visited Merton College, Oxford and also made a pilgrimage to the shrine of St Frideswide, asking for a healthy son. On November 10, 1518 she gave birth to a healthy daughter, she would name as Catherine but Catherine would die a month after giving birth due to Complications of Labor.

    On 1520, Isabella of Portugal would marry Henry VIII of England, Isabella of Portugal, she would give birth to a daughter named Elizabeth on December 10, 1522 before finally giving birth to a son named Edward on May 2, 1530, she would die on 1530 and giving birth to himwas difficult and Henry VIII would say that she is his best wife.

    On 1530, the King of England, Henry VIII would sign marriage contracts for his daughters Elizabeth and Catherine and decided to wait for a marriage for Mary who is the heiress in case Henry VIII would die, Catherine would marry the Duke of Brittany, the future Francis II who is also the dauphin and Elizabeth would marry Sigismund Augustus, the future marriage of Mary would remain in limbo, the marriage of Catherine of England to the future Francis II of France would mean that Catherine of Aragon and Henry VIII would the ancestors of the future kings of France and from Elizabeth aside from her being the ancestor of the Kings of Poland, her betrothal and later marriage gave Bona a way to encourage her husband to swap Silesia with her own holdings in Southern Italy, later on 1540, a marriage contract was signed between Prince Ferdinand of Spain, duke of Burgundy, the twin of Empress Mary of Holy Roman Empire and Mary of England.

    During his term as king the protestant religion would start kicking in England.
     
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  6. Threadmarks: Navarre and France

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    Navarre and France

    On May 10, 1518, Margaret of Angouleme would give birth to twin sons named Francis and Charles, Louise of France would be betrothed to Henry II of Navarre.

    Henry II and his brother, Charles of Navarre would be die in action in the battle of the league of Cognac 1528, causing Anne of Navarre and her husband, Charles V to inherit the Kingdom of Navarre, causing Spain to inherit Navarre and the Albret-Foix Inheritance in the South of France with her, the 28 years old, the Holy Roman Emperor Charles V would have Navarre finally integrated with Spain via his own son and France having nothing do about it, however the death of Empress Anna on the end of 1532 would cause Philip, Prince of Asturias to be the King of Navarre and there a marriage and betrothal with Maria Manuela was arranged to happen and the possible marriage talks with Mary of England was dropped and the betrothal and marriage of Maria of Spain with Maximilian, the eldest son of the younger brother of Charles V would be arranged.

    However, this would not be the end the marriage of Francis II and Catherine of England aside from his own second marriage to Eleanor of Austria would guarantee that the King of France would do nothing about the inheritance and besides that Anne of Navarre would squeal the secrets of King Francis II who rejected her when she was young since she was his own jilted bride and now Charles V would know Francis II’s weakness, since Empress Anna grew up with Francis II and was his former fiance, he knows his weakness.

    After the death of Empress Anna, Charles V would remarry to the young Isabella Jagiellon who is just about of age, Charles V would outlive Empress Anna.

    The acquisition of Navarre was a precedent to the later acquisition of Portugal in 1580’s and its colonies in the east which would start the global reach of the Spanish Empire.
     
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  7. A_simple_pilgrim Member

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    Is the POD that Henry VIII married and had a son? Or are there more in there that I didnt notice?

    Either way interesting timeline, and I'm curious as to where it goes
     
  8. TimTurner Cartoon Phanatic

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    They sailed due west
    To the Philippine Islands
    Magellan was pleased
    As the natives drew near
    He left the islands still alive
    He was able to conquer and survive
    He was thankfully never killed by a spear


    :p
     
  9. kasumigenx Well-Known Member

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    thanks for the poetry.
     
  10. Threadmarks: Bona Sforza

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    Bona Sforza

    On 1527, Bona Sforza would safely ride and land with her feet after riding and gave birth to a son named Albert on February 2, 1527 as her last child with her husband, the King of Poland Sigismund Augustus, due to this Bona Sforza would succeed in the swap of Bari and Rossano with Silesia, Bona Sforza would not forget Silesia as she was welcomed by the Polish speaking population in Silesia and she would be considered as their savior, Bona Sforza would be considered to be similar to Hedwig of Andechs in veneration.

    Emperor Charles V would broker a marriage for Isabella Jagiellon, Isabella Jagiellon would marry Charles V himself and that Elizabeth of England would marry Sigismund Augustus who is yet to be king, she would arrive in 1535 in the turbulent Polish court.
     
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  11. Jan Olbracht Well-Known Member

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    My two cents:
    -If not the Bona's riding accident, her last child should be born normally in Ferbruary 1528.
    -Bona's younger son was named Wojciech, it is translation mistake. Sigismund the Old named his youngest son Olbracht, after his older brother Jan Olbracht (John Albert of Poland). Olbracht was form of name 'Albert' (now that form is very rare) derived from German 'Albrecht'. Name Albert was Latinized as Albertus or Adalbertus. Saint Wojciech also had his name Latinized as Adalbertus, thus unfortunate Bona's son Olbracht is sometimes mistaken for Wojciech. If he outlived his brother and get Polish crown one day, he'd likely rule as Olbracht II (Jan Olbracht would be counted as Olbracht I and would have his first name dropped, in everyday life he used only his second name, inherited after his maternal grandfather, King Albert II of Germany, while first name Jan was given to him because he was born on 27 December-feast of St. John the Evangelist).
     
  12. kasumigenx Well-Known Member

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    done, changed it to Albert.
     
  13. Threadmarks: Inheritance of Navarre

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    Inheritance of Navarre

    The Inheritance of Navarre since 1528 has been a course of conflict and Louise, the original bride of Henry II of Navarre would be the one who would be used to sign peace on 1530, Philip the Prince of Asturias would marry Louise, Princess of France in order to sign the peace in 1530 in exchange of not marrying Maria Manuela of Portugal who herself would die in 1531 due to her delicate constitution, however, the other daughter of the Portuguese King, Infanta Beatriz would turn out to be well.

    Louise would give birth to a son named Carlos Enrique on May 10, 1531 who would be betrothed to Infanta Beatriz in order to advance the relations of Portugal and the Spanish realm, Louise of France would die soon after giving birth to Carlos Enrique, the marriage of Infanta Beatriz and Carlos Enrique would mean the unification of Portugal and Spain would happen soon, while Philip, Prince of Asturias would remarry to Anne of Cleves.
     
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  14. Threadmarks: Madyaas

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    Madyaas

    The Kedatuan of Madja-as or the Confederation of Madja-as was a pre-Hispanic Mandala in Panay, within the Visayas islands in what is now the Philippines.



    It was established by 10 leaders called Datus (then reduced to 9, since Datu Puti, their leader, disappeared). Datus were high officials (just rendered high-official during the invasion but before the Hindu invasion, Datus were considered co-equal Paramount Rulers of a Kedatuan). They were connected with the court of Indianized native kingdoms of Brunei and Srivijaya, who were forced to leave that land on account of enmity with the Rajah, who was ruling the land at that time. The Datus, together with their wives and children, as well as a few faithful servants and followers; monks, scholars, soldiers were secretly escorted out of the country by the Rajah's Chief Minister, whose name was Datu Puti. The local folklore says that the name of the Bornean Rajah was Makatunao.



    They embarked on sailing rafts of the type used by the Visayans (the term used in the Malay settlements, of what is now Borneo and Philippines, to refer to Srivijayans) in Sumatra and Borneo. According to tradition, which survive in the local culture of Western Visayas, this seafaring vessel is called Balangay.

    The Sultanate of Brunei have established the Sultanate of Panay and would strengthen their conversion efforts after their annexation of Butuan and Sugbu gaining some control of the lands west of Panay and east of Buglas island in the 1570’s which would weaken the state of Madyaas.
     
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  15. isabella Well-Known Member

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    Kasumigenx who will bre the bride of Philip II of Spain here? Excluding Maria Manuela (and still she and Philip were the most logical match ever) who is that Louise of France (and engaged to Henry II? of Navarre)? A couple of post earlier you had engaged Philip to Isabella Jagellon (and Sigismund to Elizabeth of England plus Catherine Jagellon to James V of Scotland who is something without sense)
     
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  16. kasumigenx Well-Known Member

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    The marriage matches CAN change as I write the TL, Louise of France is the daughter of Claude of France who originally died in 1517, ITTL she married the King of Spain.

    removed the Catherine Jagiellon match and swapped the brides of Philip II and Charles V.

    Infanta Beatriz is marrying Enrique, the eldest son of ITTL Philip II.
     
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  17. isabella Well-Known Member

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    With Beatriz (who is another daughter of John III of Portugal and Catherine of Austria right?) alive and in Spain the Cardinal Henry will never be king and will not be any war of succession but Beatriz will be crowned Queen after her nephew's death... The line of succession is both pretty clear and pro Spain so nobody in his right mind will think to contest that
     
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  18. kasumigenx Well-Known Member

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    Okay, I will change that.
     
  19. isabella Well-Known Member

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    Ah and Philip and Louise son will be surely called Carlos maybe call him Carlos Enrique and let him use only his second name as King
     
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  20. kasumigenx Well-Known Member

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    done.
     
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