I mean,I dont really think Ideology goes very far with the French State, particauly one headed by both Tallyrand and Napoleon. Of course, the question is on the Russian side and who takes the throne after Alexander hits the bucket.
L’Aigle Triomphant: A Napoleonic Victory TL
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an alliance for the contention of France is also quite possible. Similar to coalition against imperial germany. With the coalition being uk, Russia and Reino Unido (union of portugal and brazil) . (with possible allies such as Austria and Scandinavian countries)
the old technique of throwing Poland in front of the bus. A european classic.
the idea would be to hold france and its decrept ally (spain) trapped in europe without being able to expand easily. Basically france has europe (western and half of central, but it wouldn't be able to have colonies. OR it would have few colonies.
with the probable colonization of north africa and maybe (a big maybe) some other colony. North africa is valuable and it will be a problem so it will keep france busy for a long time
with the probable colonization of north africa and maybe (a big maybe) some other colony. North africa is valuable and it will be a problem so it will keep france busy for a long time
I would like to hear your opinion on what will happen with the colonization of Africa and Asia. Who will be the players in the new world etc.
The colonization of africa and asia has few participants.
We have Holland, which lost its most valuable colony. It has only the Cape Colony and a war-torn nation. In my opinion they can perhaps keep the colony in Africa. But other than that they are bankrupt in the long run, being used by the French to generate resources and basically that.
Spain has Latin America (for now), and the Philippines. There's the problem of the king and heirs not having a brain. It's kind of a france vassal (on the edge of france which is pretty bad). It is a nation from a bygone century and the elite seem interested in staying in that century. I don't see a great future for Spain. Maybe morocco as colony?
Keeping cuba or the philippines would be possible too
The UK is doing well and at the same time it is bad. It has a good part of india and the east indies, colonies in the new world, the largest navy. A good economy. It will likely be the coalition leader which has its problems and benefits. Overall the future is positive. But it lost to france and it will have to maintain a good part of its energy trying to contain france, which prevents or slows down its expansion. Which creates opportunities for others.
Portugal. We have to split it in two.
The Kingdom of portugal is a bankrupt kingdom ruled by a french nobility. No colonies, with a hostile population that is probably immigrating en masse to Brazil. to be honest, this portugal is screwed, there's no other way to say it. Zero future. Maybe if france beats spain, Portugal will win something, like Galicia.
The United Kingdom of Portugal and Brazil. It has all the colonies of the Portuguese empire, the Chinese commercial monopoly, the Portuguese navy and army in the new world (which is kind of op against the nations of south america). Probably hates half of Europe. In the list we have france, spain, hollanda, the kingdom of portugal, uk (at least in part for not being able to protect the metropolis). Have to turn Brazil into a metropolis. Which will generate a renewal in the slave trade (seriously, it will be a big boost, to the point that the USA may not be able to buy many slaves. Brazil eats slaves and spits out corpses as if they were nothing). Can expand in the southern cone (to control the western core of south america), ]Africa (conquering cape and having almost a third of africa under portuguese domain) and in asia (with brunei and other colonies. an increase in trade with China maybe).
Russia. There's nothing to talk about. It is strong and its neighbors are weak. It will expand until It can't do it anymore. The russia of this time line will be bigger, much stronger and dangerous
I forgot someone, or any idea of some other country that can participate in the colonization?
The colonization of africa and asia has few participants.
We have Holland, which lost its most valuable colony. It has only the Cape Colony and a war-torn nation. In my opinion they can perhaps keep the colony in Africa. But other than that they are bankrupt in the long run, being used by the French to generate resources and basically that.
Spain has Latin America (for now), and the Philippines. There's the problem of the king and heirs not having a brain. It's kind of a france vassal (on the edge of france which is pretty bad). It is a nation from a bygone century and the elite seem interested in staying in that century. I don't see a great future for Spain. Maybe morocco as colony?
Keeping cuba or the philippines would be possible too
The UK is doing well and at the same time it is bad. It has a good part of india and the east indies, colonies in the new world, the largest navy. A good economy. It will likely be the coalition leader which has its problems and benefits. Overall the future is positive. But it lost to france and it will have to maintain a good part of its energy trying to contain france, which prevents or slows down its expansion. Which creates opportunities for others.
Portugal. We have to split it in two.
The Kingdom of portugal is a bankrupt kingdom ruled by a french nobility. No colonies, with a hostile population that is probably immigrating en masse to Brazil. to be honest, this portugal is screwed, there's no other way to say it. Zero future. Maybe if france beats spain, Portugal will win something, like Galicia.
The United Kingdom of Portugal and Brazil. It has all the colonies of the Portuguese empire, the Chinese commercial monopoly, the Portuguese navy and army in the new world (which is kind of op against the nations of south america). Probably hates half of Europe. In the list we have france, spain, hollanda, the kingdom of portugal, uk (at least in part for not being able to protect the metropolis). Have to turn Brazil into a metropolis. Which will generate a renewal in the slave trade (seriously, it will be a big boost, to the point that the USA may not be able to buy many slaves. Brazil eats slaves and spits out corpses as if they were nothing). Can expand in the southern cone (to control the western core of south america), ]Africa (conquering cape and having almost a third of africa under portuguese domain) and in asia (with brunei and other colonies. an increase in trade with China maybe).
Russia. There's nothing to talk about. It is strong and its neighbors are weak. It will expand until It can't do it anymore. The russia of this time line will be bigger, much stronger and dangerous
I forgot someone, or any idea of some other country that can participate in the colonization?
in the new world we have:
The uk with canada: may return the favor of the war of 1812 in the future. More islands in the caribbean, greater canada and I think that's it.
USA : it is surrounded by Spain and UK, with Louisiana being the likely focus of the moment.
The Spanish colonies: It has many colonies. The new spain (mexico) has the usa to deal with in the future and possible independence. The colonies of central america are there, the colonies of the gran colombia region will declare independence (may remain united or enter into civil wars/divisions creating new countries). The same with the colonies of south america.
Portugal: colonize more of the southern cone. maybe buy the rest of the guyanas from uk?
Map of the new world in the napoleonic wars.
The uk with canada: may return the favor of the war of 1812 in the future. More islands in the caribbean, greater canada and I think that's it.
USA : it is surrounded by Spain and UK, with Louisiana being the likely focus of the moment.
The Spanish colonies: It has many colonies. The new spain (mexico) has the usa to deal with in the future and possible independence. The colonies of central america are there, the colonies of the gran colombia region will declare independence (may remain united or enter into civil wars/divisions creating new countries). The same with the colonies of south america.
Portugal: colonize more of the southern cone. maybe buy the rest of the guyanas from uk?
Map of the new world in the napoleonic wars.
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like liberia?
maybe, but the usa doesn't have the same incentives as other countries. Liberia might be bigger or it might not happen with the US having a greater focus on its neighbors. it will depend on what the future of the Spanish colonies will be like. A war with Spain for colonies is not worth it especially if it bring France. Same with the uk now that the nation doesn't have to be in constant war with napoleon. An attempt at a repeat of 1812 is not going to be a pretty thing.
Mexico can become independent and run into the lap of the uk, which prevents a future war with the USA. Or there could be one between usa vs uk and mexico.
I don’t want to spoil this too much if you haven’t read all the way, but the Alex issue has been… taken care of, lol
France already has Germany with Prussia crushed and Poland and Saxony firmly pro-French and ready to help Napoleon keep the Germans in line. And leaving Poland would be a bad sign for any potential ally - France can abandon you in any moment. Poles are the first line of defence for Napoleon's Europe. Right now Russia is non-hostile. But in a few years... Or if there is a new tsar...
The next 20 years are going to be very strange for everyone. Napoleon broke the balance of power held by centuries. Many losing countries died, others were destroyed, others are injured. The victors also left with serious wounds.
The countries that most came out of the war in "one piece" so to speak are uk, russia, france, spain and portugal.
Napoleon delivered a monster nation. France hasn't been this strong since Charlamane.
let's see how countries will react to this trauma. Normally a country reacts in two ways, becoming isolationist or expansionist.
Austria will likely become semi-isolationist and focus on the Balkans. The uk, portugal, france and russia will probably be expansionist. Denmark and Scandinavian countries I don't know. The netherlands is gona be semi-isolationist, especially if they lose their cape colony to someone else(becoming completely isolationist for at least a generation). Spain will try to be expansionist, but it will probably fai (because it has horrible leaders)l.
The countries that most came out of the war in "one piece" so to speak are uk, russia, france, spain and portugal.
Napoleon delivered a monster nation. France hasn't been this strong since Charlamane.
let's see how countries will react to this trauma. Normally a country reacts in two ways, becoming isolationist or expansionist.
Austria will likely become semi-isolationist and focus on the Balkans. The uk, portugal, france and russia will probably be expansionist. Denmark and Scandinavian countries I don't know. The netherlands is gona be semi-isolationist, especially if they lose their cape colony to someone else(becoming completely isolationist for at least a generation). Spain will try to be expansionist, but it will probably fai (because it has horrible leaders)l.
the question will be whether the war with russia is worth poland and loss of prestige.
Nobody stays on top without being cruel and selfish, France will have to be that and much more. Exploit the Dutch, Germans and others for monetary gain. Poland as a shield against Russia etc.
the British have an island as a defense. The French have Napoleon, but unfortunately he is not eternal. They have to solidify Europe. For that, you have to make Germany, Iberia, the Netherlands and the rest of Central and Western Europe dependent on France. This destroys these countries in the long run, but makes France extremely strong.
The next few decades will make France rich beyond the wildest dreams, but others will lose out. The Netherlands, Spain, italy, germany, the Portuguese puppet (bourbon) will be weaken economically, becoming French dependencies.
The Peace Upon Us
The Peace Upon Us
1815, to the soldiery and indeed all peoples of Europe, was a breath of fresh air. The fighting had ended the previous year and now the Peace of Aix was complete; unlike the brief respite in continental battles that had come with the end of the fighting in Stockholm, this had a feeling of permanence, the first time since Amiens a decade earlier that there was a general feeling that Europe had settled into a lasting new order.
Farmers returned to their tills, craftsmen to their workshops, generals to their estates; the "Spirit of Aix" grasped much of Europe, particularly France. Weddings postponed for years were held, children born, new businesses founded. Paris hummed with a new energy as hundreds of diplomats and noblemen from across Europe descended upon it to reconnect with fellow aristocrats whom war had kept apart and to treat with Talleyrand, a man now the centrifugal force of continental affairs. The year 1815 was a curious one economically, as demobilization of an entire continent upended the economies dependent on the war footing of the past ten years but an optimistic energy infected Western Europe, the sense that a quarter century of bloodshed since the start of the French Revolution was at an end. In time, it would come to be viewed as the starting line of a long economic boom that would last deep into the next decade. The Marshals of France either remained behind with the titles in foreign lands they had been granted, found new roles in Paris to excite them, or in the case of trusted Ney, found their own version of peace in retirement.
Napoleon, for his part, had something else to celebrate - the birth of his fourth child and third son, Charles Napoleon, in November of 1815. It would in fact be his last child to live to adulthood, as the next two babies borne by Catherine would die in infancy before her own death in 1821. Fatherhood suited him poorly and he was constantly restless, having won his great victory, but the peace upon Europe left him sated for the time being, with all threats on land cowed and Britain retreated behind its watery moat. There were now new marriage alliances to form, new intrigues to be fought in the salons of Europe's courts rather than on blood-drenched battlefields, and Talleyrand was now his greatest marshal rather than Ney, Murat or the others. A curious new time, a Pax Napoleonica as he called it in his own diaries, beckoned, and the most impactful general since Alexander of Macedon vacillated on what precisely to do with it...
And with that we are effectively done with the first part of the narrative, from the Bayonne POD through the end of the Napoleonic Wars.
From here on out, updates will be a bit broader and usually cover a longer period of time, since we are not in the nitty-gritty of “how did Napoleon win?” anymore. We’ll start with the UK’s reaction to its defeat in Europe and Spain’s panic over events in the Americas and then go out from there.
From here on out, updates will be a bit broader and usually cover a longer period of time, since we are not in the nitty-gritty of “how did Napoleon win?” anymore. We’ll start with the UK’s reaction to its defeat in Europe and Spain’s panic over events in the Americas and then go out from there.
Nice chapter, let's hope the Napoleonic Peace last for a while. France should stay very watchful of it's British neighbor, they will use any opening to attack France and bring it low. Would like to see how the Americas are doing with the official end of the Napoleonic Wars. How is US doing? I think with no War of 1812, they will bide their time and look south instead of north, due to the troops sent to Canada and somewhat better relations with Britain. Latin America will be interesting IIRC with all the colonies rebelling due to the British attempt to usurp power in Spain by supporting Ferdinand. Can't wait for the next chapter, keep up the good work.