it depends if haiti wants a greater relationship with the UK and the kingdom of portugal and brazil or the USA and france.
L’Aigle Triomphant: A Napoleonic Victory TL
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I don't think either option would work anyway. Haiti's politics kinda saw presidents and monarchs alike either removed, killed, or both.
Yeah, but i think the monarchy would be the lesser instability bringer. A slightly more solid foundation at least, still would take while for stability.
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Guys, I think you are missing the point. This isn't a matter of Republic or Monarchy. It's one of independence or colonial status.
The French wouldn't stabilize Haiti because they are a monarchy, but because they would be it's overlords, kingmakers with the capacity to control the internal factions inside Haiti and protect it Mafia style against other external influences.
An internal Haitian monarchy? It would probably not make any difference. No European monarch would want to rule the land and native monarchs would just fall into the unstable revolutionary monarchy model, third world dictators with another name.
I really doubt Napoleon will leave Haiti alone or treat them any better than OTL France did. Both personal and national pride will drive him to avenge past defeats and maintain a colonial empire, and Napoleon is nothing if not prideful.
Gotta build up that fleet first
It’s important to note, too, that the US of this time period was VERY hostile to Haiti because of the whole slave revolt thing and having France parade back in to destroy a Black-run state founded on the massacre of white slave owners would be fine and dandy in Washington’s eyes.
Probably france in about 10 years will demand money from haiti as in otl. If he (nap) tries to invade again it will be another humiliation for France. Probably haiti can run to uk-portugal/brazil for protection. Or if everyone ignores Haiti, the country will continue to have civil wars until someone has enough strength to control the island.
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The UK is plausible if it still turns against slavery ITTL, but Portugal-Brazil is a slaveocracy, so I don't think the Haitians would want to ally themselves with them.
Thing is, there's few things left to destroy after the decades of insurgency and civil war wrecked the island, and short of total genocide of the black population the inhabitants, Napoleon won't be able to impose slavery on a population who quite literally bled and died to earn their freedom.
It's why I think the diplomatic solution is the best one to take, Napoleon won't have to send troops to a tropical death, he'll regain a very valuable island and naval base in the Caribbean, he'll show that his regime can accomplish things without overwhelming military might, he'll gain support of the population when he manages to stop the war and rebuild the island and he will have done it all without a single shot, allowing him to brag about having conquered the biggest island on the region without a war as well as putting some pride back into France with the victory.
No it's not that imo, The debt could've been paid easily if Petion and co didn't go land reform. Which destroyed the export economy. Also loss of alot of revenue
Christophe was like raking in even 5-7M livres of surplus money on revenue on North Haiti alone. Aside from the basically ultra militarization where 90% the budget at one point mainly even at 1890s at peace time is like going to the military.
If no land reform and the cash is instead invested in like the economy and infrastructure and development.
Aside from the fact that if this happens, they would have the cash to pay it. Probably South Haiti, the "mulatto republic" Petion and co would have like accepted reparations in exchange for recognition loans etc etc. If no land reform then they could've pay it probably if they basically put the export and trade back to pre revolution levels or even surpass it. Probably surplus revenue can reach like 20-30M livres if united, if not then both of them would've like can reach 10-16M in surplus
technically both Haiti's were raking in huge truckloads of cash till South Haiti decided to do land reform as Petion basically wants too. Meanwhile Boyer did the same at north after unification.
Make Petion more like pragmatic or like more leaning to the whims of the Mulatto elite, then no land reform. Or just replace him with his mentor Andre Rigaud, which definitely is well liked by the mulatto elite and probably would have not done so. Or his colleague Jean Pierre Boyer, who is a pragmatic folk, the one who signed in the reparations. Securing Haiti away from basically french reconquest.
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Also even after what Haiti did to the remaining french peeps at the island, everyone still continued trading with them. it's so profitable that the American merchants bought their coffee there mainly and British meanwhile bought sugar mainly
It would be more simpler (not easy) to just give recognition to Haiti, whether it's a republic or monarchy. Abolish the debt and allow for trade between the French Empire and Haiti and let things naturally progress. Perhaps Napoleonic France can serve the role of Britain and stop slave patrols, resettling emancipated slaves in Haiti or Senegal.