L’Aigle Triomphant: A Napoleonic Victory TL

a reformist emperor like peter I the great?

Actually, the delay was to a considerable degree a byproduct of Peter’s reforms.
the rest I don't know. A bigger merchant class, less affordable products and competition etc?
A merchant class is not growing on the trees and less affordable consumption goods usually result in a shorter list of the necessities. Not that this is directly related to the development of the Russian heavy industry.
 
AFAIK, the Portuguese did not have a monopolistic access to China by the early XIX and while the Brits had almost monopolistic access to India, it was not fully monopolistic with the functioning Pondisheri, Goa and at least in OTL Dutch Coromandel and Dutch Bengal were restored to Dutch rule by virtue of the Anglo-Dutch Treaty of 1814.
I think all Dutch colonies in Asia are under English control.
Honestly, I don’t know what was more important for Britain in the early XIX: an ability to loot India or ability to enforce consumption of the British goods by the “natives”. However, putting the “excessive prices” on the goods from India would just kill them as the widely sold consumer goods in Europe (and Britain itself) and what advantage will the Brits get out of such a schema? After all, most of the India-originated goods were not exactly the first necessity items in Europe.
precisely because they are not primary needs that they are precious. Spices are not necessary for cooking, but without them food is simpler.
Not necessarily. In OTL the two of them managed to get along in post-Napoleonic times: neither had a practical need for a full domination of the Med.
yes, post napoleonic with a "controlled" France. without the country vying for real power with the uk
So the “island” part is not a “must”.
They didn't have a navy because they wanted to isolate themselves, when they look at the world again, the navy becomes the most important part, or one of the most important. Having one of the biggest navies in the world in +-2 generations
It does not matter: they had a powerful navy while not being an island or heavy into the trade. Actually, for a while France of LXIV also had quite strong navy.
yes, having a powerful navy is not unique to island countries. But having an almost exclusive focus on the navy is almost always something of an island country due to the need to defend itself. Just like a continental country has a big army to defend itself
The Ottomans had been, for a while, controlling the Med all the way to Algeria. The pirates of the Barbary Coast had been their vassals. Hayreddin Barbarossa was Ottoman admiral.
yes, the med. Controlling north africa or at least part of it.
Well, why do you need these complications if you can just wait until somebody else successfully attacks and after this make a favorable treaty without a need to fire a single shot (except for the fireworks to celebrate conclusion of a treaty)? Pretty much as it happened in OTL.😂
What will likely happen in china will be this, with the uk launching the first expedition. and the rest following.
 
precisely because they are not primary needs that they are precious. Spices are not necessary for cooking, but without them food is simpler.
But you hardly can develop a really strong economy based exclusively upon production/reselling the very expensive items. The real boost starts when you are managing to lower the cost to such a degree that these items became a commodity available to the millions. You are lowering a profit margin on a single item and gaining much more on a volume.
yes, post napoleonic with a "controlled" France. without the country vying for real power with the uk
“Real power” is meaningless because it is too vague. Britain did not have resources to grab the whole world (not due to the lack of trying) and had to accept the fact that other players are going to grab their shares of a colonial pie. And, in practical terms, it could oppose France in the places remote enough for the naval supremacy becoming a critical factor. Opposing the French colonial activities in Algeria would be quite difficult.
They didn't have a navy because they wanted to isolate themselves, when they look at the world again, the navy becomes the most important part, or one of the most important. Having one of the biggest navies in the world in +-2 generations
True, but not really convincing as a demonstration of a pattern. In one of two available cases one lived for centuries without a navy and the reasons are really irrelevant. OTOH, non-island countries were routinely getting quite big navies. The US ended up with a biggest one, Germany had a very big one and even pretty much land-locked Russian Empire had by the reign of AIII the 3rd or 4th biggest navy in the world. So to me it looks like a technical & financial ability to have it rather than a geography.

yes, having a powerful navy is not unique to island countries. But having an almost exclusive focus on the navy is almost always something of an island country due to the need to defend itself. Just like a continental country has a big army to defend itself

Japan had a big navy and a big army simultaneously. Actually, in pre-modern time it defended itself quite successfully without a navy and its first big imperialistic exercise in the XVI century was done with a navy inferior to one of the victim of aggression (Korea). Its second round, in the late XIX also happened with the fleet technically inferior to one of China. In both cases, and later, it had a very strong army. So I would not make it into a pattern: there are simply not enough examples.
yes, the med. Controlling north africa or at least part
 
But you hardly can develop a really strong economy based exclusively upon production/reselling the very expensive items. The real boost starts when you are managing to lower the cost to such a degree that these items became a commodity available to the millions. You are lowering a profit margin on a single item and gaining much more on a volume.

“Real power” is meaningless because it is too vague. Britain did not have resources to grab the whole world (not due to the lack of trying) and had to accept the fact that other players are going to grab their shares of a colonial pie. And, in practical terms, it could oppose France in the places remote enough for the naval supremacy becoming a critical factor. Opposing the French colonial activities in Algeria would be quite difficult.

True, but not really convincing as a demonstration of a pattern. In one of two available cases one lived for centuries without a navy and the reasons are really irrelevant. OTOH, non-island countries were routinely getting quite big navies. The US ended up with a biggest one, Germany had a very big one and even pretty much land-locked Russian Empire had by the reign of AIII the 3rd or 4th biggest navy in the world. So to me it looks like a technical & financial ability to have it rather than a geography.



Japan had a big navy and a big army simultaneously. Actually, in pre-modern time it defended itself quite successfully without a navy and its first big imperialistic exercise in the XVI century was done with a navy inferior to one of the victim of aggression (Korea). Its second round, in the late XIX also happened with the fleet technically inferior to one of China. In both cases, and later, it had a very strong army. So I would not make it into a pattern: there are simply not enough examples.
That's what I'm saying, France has done modernization of it's economy and how it works, is currently not near bankruptcy like the British and have their empire as well as vassals and friendly governments to acquire resources to maintain a powerful army and build itself a fleet that could challenge and surpass the British, not to mention they wouldn't even need a big army at the moment as the Russians are busy with their own thing, Prussia has been castrated, Austria is exhausted and looking at the Ottomans and neither Sicily or Sardinia are stupid enough to try a war unless they want to be annexed. France is in the idea place to start strengthening and rebuilding their navy from scratch.
 
That's what I'm saying, France has done modernization of it's economy and how it works, is currently not near bankruptcy like the British and have their empire as well as vassals and friendly governments to acquire resources to maintain a powerful army and build itself a fleet that could challenge and surpass the British, not to mention they wouldn't even need a big army at the moment as the Russians are busy with their own thing, Prussia has been castrated, Austria is exhausted and looking at the Ottomans and neither Sicily or Sardinia are stupid enough to try a war unless they want to be annexed. France is in the idea place to start strengthening and rebuilding their navy from scratch.
maybe they enter the opium war for money?
 
maybe they enter the opium war for money?
IIRC, the 1st OW started over the trade disbalance: Britain was buying the tea but China did not want the British imports the main item of which was opium produced in India. China’s “looting potential” became obvious only after the 1st OW made it obvious that the Qing Empire is weak.

So why would the French initiate such a war in 1810th? Of course, if there is something that they desperately want/need to sell, this is a different story.
 
IIRC, the 1st OW started over the trade disbalance: Britain was buying the tea but China did not want the British imports the main item of which was opium produced in India. China’s “looting potential” became obvious only after the 1st OW made it obvious that the Qing Empire is weak.

So why would the French initiate such a war in 1810th? Of course, if there is something that they desperately want/need to sell, this is a different story.
attack the ottomans then so that nappy will have his egypt? this will weaken the Ottomans greatly. maybe they fall faster than otl because of this?
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attack the ottomans then so that nappy will have his egypt? this will weaken the Ottomans greatly. maybe they fall faster than otl because of this?
Napoleon's new adventure. One empire at a time.
it can be sold as a crusade of the Christian world (as a whole) against the Muslims. Nothing unifies enemies, than fighting together against a hated enemy.
 
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it can be sold as a crusade of the Christian world (as a whole) against the Muslims. Nothing unifies enemies, than fighting together against a hated enemy.
Napoleon's France was not very big on religion IIRC and in Western Europe few still had spirit of the Crusades. Now if you make it about liberating Christian Balkans from Ottoman oppression it might entice Russia as the champion of the Orthodox faith and potential protector of the liberated Orthodox states... and perhaps Constantinople? Other countries would be much less enthusiastic, they would want some reward for their efforts, Christian satisfaction would not be enough. There would be conflict for potential spoils. Perhaps Russia takes Orthodox lands as protectorates, Austria takes Catholic lands (like Croatia) and Napoleon would take Algeria, Tunisie and possibly Libya and Egypt, as colonies or protectorates.
But...Britain would be furious, since it would make France even stronger. Austria hates Napoleon and would never side with him. Spain is weak. That leaves Russia as main partner and considering relatively good relations with Constantine it might work. But would Napoleon want Russia with strong presence in Balkans? Tsars die and next ruler of Russia might not be so friendly... even towards his French cousin.

Edit: Amon34 rightfully pointed out that HRE had been dissolved by Napoleon. I meant of course Habsburg Austria.
 
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